HD RULES!!

[SayNoToIBOC]

David is so dead-set on HD Radio, but he carries an iPod and XM Enno - hmmmm. Also, it shows the growing popularity of iPods versus HD Radio, as direct competitors. I am not fixated on destroying this board, as it is the pro-IBOC faction that is name-calling and saying, "Y'know you are a very sick individual", but only interested in the destruction of HD Radio, because it will destroy the AM/FM bands. If you do not like my posts, then why do you keep responding ?

 

[calstymes]

SayNo wonders:

If you do not like my posts, then why do you keep responding ?

I wonder about this too!

I have begged the pro-IBOCers in several postings and some private messages to stop taking this guy's bait and responding directly to him. If everyone would just ignore what he says and not comment directly to him then I give him 3 days and he'd be gone. Every time somebody engages him directly in discussion it keeps driving him to post more nonsense and be socially disruptive. He requires your direct dialogue to feed his anti-social and ignorant public behavior.

You're right, Dave, he IS a very sick individual and while I personally disagree with censorship in any fashion, if anyone ever needed to be banned from a message board, it is him. By continuing to post childish comments on the message board and to the moderators and laying out bait to which he hopes the pro-IBOCers can't help themselves from replying, he has single-handedly done more damage to the proponents of his own point of view than anyone else could possibly have done in his place.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Cal wrote: "I wonder about this too! have begged the pro-IBOCers in several postings and some private messages to stop taking this guy's bait and responding directly to him. If everyone would just ignore what he says and not comment directly to him then I give him 3 days and he'd be gone. Every time somebody engages him directly in discussion it keeps driving him to post more nonsense and be socially disruptive. He requires your direct dialogue to feed his anti-social and ignorant public behavior.

You're right, Dave, he IS a very sick individual and while I personally disagree with censorship in any fashion, if anyone ever needed to be banned from a message board, it is him. By continuing to post childish comments on the message board and to the moderators and laying out bait to which he hopes the pro-IBOCers can't help themselves from replying, he has single-handedly done more damage to the proponents of his own point of view than anyone else could possibly have done in his place."

Too bad Cal - you are not going to chase me off this board. Funny thing, periodically you write this same eulogy for me, but I am still here. You are sure giving me a lot of attention, but it looks like most people have abandoned this board. You are almost as dramatic as IBOCRocks ! Have a nice day !

 

[IBOCRocks]

Cal wrote: "I wonder about this too! have begged the pro-IBOCers in several postings and some private messages to stop taking this guy's bait and responding directly to him. If everyone would just ignore what he says and not comment directly to him then I give him 3 days and he'd be gone. Every time somebody engages him directly in discussion it keeps driving him to post more nonsense and be socially disruptive. He requires your direct dialogue to feed his anti-social and ignorant public behavior.

You're right, Dave, he IS a very sick individual and while I personally disagree with censorship in any fashion, if anyone ever needed to be banned from a message board, it is him. By continuing to post childish comments on the message board and to the moderators and laying out bait to which he hopes the pro-IBOCers can't help themselves from replying, he has single-handedly done more damage to the proponents of his own point of view than anyone else could possibly have done in his place."

Too bad Cal - you are not going to chase me off this board. Funny thing, periodically you write this same eulogy for me, but I am still here. You are sure giving me a lot of attention, but it looks like most people have abandoned this board. You are almost as dramatic as IBOCRocks ! Have a nice day !

Oh, I'm still here. I've just decided that I won't be enabling your self-destructive behaviour anymore. You have some serious issues, and it's best that you're left alone to do whatever you want. Seems to be working.

 

[calstymes]

IBOCRocks. Shhhh! Don't talk TO him. Don't direct comments TO him at all. It only serves to encourage him to post again. Don't you understand this? You talk TO him more than anyone here. He will eventually go away if you and everyone else would simply IGNORE everything he says and does here. That means... pretend he is INVISIBLE and SayNothing to SayNo. He will eventually tire of his own immature postings and anti-social behavior and he will leave.

 

[IBOCRocks]

IBOCRocks. Shhhh! Don't talk TO him. Don't direct comments TO him at all. It only serves to encourage him to post again. Don't you understand this? You talk TO him more than anyone here. He will eventually go away if you and everyone else would simply IGNORE everything he says and does here. That means... pretend he is INVISIBLE and SayNothing to SayNo. He will eventually tire of his own immature postings and anti-social behavior and he will leave.

Whoops. You're right!

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Shhhhh.... you all are SO emotional ! IBOCRocks, glad to see you are back ! Too bad, my new threads won't be invisible, and you will have to respond ! IBOCRocks, 16 of 23 and counting !

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

HD rules ? Today, the Receptor HD ranks 2,374 in Amazon's electronic sales ! Interesting, "Monster Cable AI-IP-FM-CH iCarPlay Wireless FM Transmitter for iPod", ranks number one !

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

HD rules ? Look at this experience, at Radio Shack !

"When I was in New York City yesterday, I went to the RadioShack on 7th avenue between 30th and 31st street, and I asked if they had HD radios. The sales assistant pointed to the Sirius display. I pointed out that Sirius was NOT HD radio! He insisted that it was because it is a "digital high definition radio". Then I said that I heard an ad promoting Z100's HD radio saying that there is no monthly fee. He said that there is a monthly fee for "High Definition satellite radio." I asked him if I could hear Hot 97, KTU, and Z100 on the "HD" radio and he said yes. Then I walked out of the store. I thought my own area was bad. How is the average person supposed to purchase an HD radio in Manhattan!"

 

[Tom Wells]

Is too. Is not! Is too! ..... IS NOT! C'mon, let's raise the meaningfulness quotient, please.

Interesting that I, too have not found any educated salespeople, and few seem to be aware of the technology.

If the US had adopted the British model of licensing the listener, we might never be at the present ugly situation.
You see, our model has the advertiser pay. Their model has (had ,at one time ) the listener pay.
Whoever pays the piper gets to call the tune. And if the listener had been paying, we'd likely not have seen the
attrition in listenership which has led to the "need" to "save" radio from the other delivery systems.
The programming would have been to the pleasure of the listener, not the advertiser.

You see, the advertiser is ususally "conservative".... this seldom leads to adventurous programming.
Notice how college radio, which need not worry about offending advertisers, is free to introduce highly varied
programming without fear of alienating them.


As far as SayNo, Supercaster and others who some find to be irritating, they are certainly entitled to spread any
hyperbole they can write and it is not any different than Ibiquity's entitlement to their opinion and hyperbole.
The situation created by this strange turn of events (IBOC interference authorization)
demands that someone present the information in the mode that they do.
If Ibiquity had been open architecture, fair and balanced, and in keeping with good engineering practice,
such a pointed response would not have been called for.
As it is, these detractors provide a perfect balance (at least opinionwise) to the unfairness of ONE
corporation being granted the right to pollute our public airwaves for their own profit.

Carry on, but gosh, let's try to cut to the meat of the issue, and let's have less shoving back and forth.

Ibiquity certainly is guilty of "pulling the wool over the eyes" of the FCC, and may have succeeded in getting the FCC to
allow this "mode" to be tested, but those who see otherwise are entitled to try everything they can to influence the
public's opinion of what they see as an invasive, disruptive, destructive, interfering technology.

 

[IBOCRocks]

Ibiquity certainly is guilty of "pulling the wool over the eyes" of the FCC, and may have succeeded in getting the FCC to allow this "mode" to be tested, but those who see otherwise are entitled to try everything they can to influence the public's opinion of what they see as an invasive, disruptive, destructive, interfering technology.

Even if what they try has no basis in truth? Even your statment is merely an opinion. You have no proof that anybody pulled the wool over anybody's eyes. I don't believe they did. So does that mean they didn't?

That's what I'm saying - say what you want, but be honest enough to state that it's your opinion, unless you are prepared to back it up with undeniable truth.

Pulling the wool over the FCC's eyes = opinion
HD Radio has a lot of competition = fact
HD Radio is a fraud = opinion
Some people believe its a fraud = fact

Is that so hard?

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Tom wrote: "As far as SayNo, Supercaster and others who some find to be irritating, they are certainly entitled to spread any hyperbole they can write and it is not any different than Ibiquity's entitlement to their opinion and hyperbole."

Well, thank you, Tom ! As far as pro-IBOC'ers here are concerned, I am a sick individual, a lier, post fraudulent comsumer reviews, have a lack of friends/home life, etc., but that's ok, it's all ones and zeros. Well, all I can say, is that something must be going on, with the FCC pulling IBOC off it's agenda suddenly last month, the CFO of iBiquity resigning among rumors of financial problems, sales of HD radios almost nonexistent (the Receptor HD ranks around 2000 on Amazon), all backed by the Bridge Ratings showing HD Radio about 10 times less popular than Internet related technologies, well into the future - I think the writing is on the wall.

Pulling the wool over the FCC's eyes = fact
HD Radio has a lot of competition = fact
HD Radio is a fraud = fact
Some people believe its a fraud = fact

 

[calstymes]

IBOCRocks, you need to LISTEN to Mr. Wells. He is intelligent and experienced and he knows what he is talking about. His "opinions" are NOT just "opinions".

Ibiquity (and its corporate predecessor) has not played nicely at every turning point in the development of IBOC = fact

You may disagree. We know better. No we will not offer "proof" here. We don't have to. It's immaterial. It will make no difference. We can only hope that the truth will all come out "in the wash". If it doesn't, then the public will have to suffer with a technology that several wealthy people who have lots of that wealth at stake in the success of IBOC are hell-bent with insuring that it is successful.

I will say this again: There are SEVERAL people around who could add a lot of historical perspective to the whole and complete "IBOC story" but they don't because too much is (read that "the fortunes of several key individuals are") riding on the ultimate acceptance by the public of the Ibiquity solution, regardless whether or not that solution is actually the best one which could have been developed from an engineering perspective.

But it is where the money went and people have been strategically beaten down for less. Hence, the silence of those who "know" but who could get in LOTS of trouble for making public the details of things that have happened which some very powerful people don't ever want to be made public.

*That* is fact.

 

[IBOCRocks]

IBOCRocks, you need to LISTEN to Mr. Wells. He is intelligent and experienced and he knows what he is talking about. His "opinions" are NOT just "opinions".

Ibiquity (and its corporate predecessor) has not played nicely at every turning point in the development of IBOC = fact

You may disagree. We know better. No we will not offer "proof" here. We don't have to. It's immaterial. It will make no difference. We can only hope that the truth will all come out "in the wash". If it doesn't, then the public will have to suffer with a technology that several wealthy people who have lots of that wealth at stake in the success of IBOC are hell-bent with insuring that it is successful.

I will say this again: There are SEVERAL people around who could add a lot of historical perspective to the whole and complete "IBOC story" but they don't because too much is (read that "the fortunes of several key individuals are") riding on the ultimate acceptance by the public of the Ibiquity solution, regardless whether or not that solution is actually the best one which could have been developed from an engineering perspective.

But it is where the money went and people have been strategically beaten down for less. Hence, the silence of those who "know" but who could get in LOTS of trouble for making public the details of things that have happened which some very powerful people don't ever want to be made public.

*That* is fact.

Cal,

I don't know why you think I'm not listening to Mr. Wells. I am. I don't agree with him, but I'm listening.

I am kind of suprised that you are taking the position that I should give a whole lot of weight to one person. The reason? There are plenty of very smart people on the opposite side. I don't give them a whole lot of weight either. I look at all sides, and draw my own conclusions. I believe that's what a discussion board is all about - not forcing one side or another, but presenting facts that support each side, and letting the readers decide on their own.

No disrespect to Mr. Wells, but even if he were Marconi himself, his opinions are just that. They are certainly better qualified opinions, but they are still opinions. As for you not wanting to offer "proof"...that's too bad. I certainly think you'd make your case a whole lot easier if you used less rhetoric and more fact.

I could simply come here and say IBOC is good, and you shouldn't listen to anyone who says otherwise because I'm right! So then what? You wouldn't want me to back that up? All we have then is a board filled with people arguing. Hardly productive, and hardly a discussion.

So, no, Cal. I'm not going to fall in line with you, or Mr. Wells, or anyone else. Not until you earn it. Back up your allegations with some facts. Make me believe what you say. You guys are not better than me...in fact you're just as bad as iBiquity if you think that I should just believe everything you say.

Shame on you - "facts are immaterial". So you're just telling us to drink the Kool-Aid then?

It's called critical thinking.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

IBOCRocks wrote: "So, no, Cal. I'm not going to fall in line with you, or Mr. Wells, or anyone else. Not until you earn it. Back up your allegations with some facts. Make me believe what you say. You guys are not better than me...in fact you're just as bad as iBiquity if you think that I should just believe everything you say."

Earn it - don't flatter yourself ! What garbage !

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

HD Rules ? Another amusing HD Radio blurb !

"The same thing needs to happen with HD radio. We need to get in the stores and pick the brains of the clerks. Anonymously. And then instead of leaving in a huff, explain to them what exactly HD radio is. I know it sounds silly and I can hear some people say "it's not our job", but in fact, it IS important for us to help promote it. We DO need to educate the sales people what HD radio is. Because, 1) they won't learn other wise and 2) they might learn INCORRECTLY what it actually is. By teaching them (the right way) will NOT hurt us in any fashion!"

Yea right - "Discover It!"

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

IBOCRocks wrote: "IBOCRocks wrote: "So, no, Cal. I'm not going to fall in line with you, or Mr. Wells, or anyone else. Not until you earn it. Back up your allegations with some facts. Make me believe what you say. You guys are not better than me...in fact you're just as bad as iBiquity if you think that I should just believe everything you say."

"Back up your allegations with some facts."
"You guys are not better than me..." Note: shouldn't it be, "no better than I" ?

Boo hoo ! Rant, rant, rant ! Sorry, we are better than you are !

Remember, you will have to take it like a man, because you have shunned me !

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

HD Rules ? Count is now 18 of 25 ! HippoRadio TOO BIG--a 60s-70s fan's count is 11 of 12 ! The Receptor HD radio has pushed itself all the way up to 1,721 !

Hit'em where it counts !

I'm sorry, the Receptor HD just slipped to 1,817

 

[calstymes]

IBOCRocks stated:

I don't know why you think I'm not listening to Mr. Wells. I am. I don't agree with him, but I'm listening.

Good! He speaks the truth.

I am kind of surprised that you are taking the position that I should give a whole lot of weight to one person. The reason?

Because he knows what he is talking about and he speaks rationally and eloquently.

There are plenty of very smart people on the opposite side. I don't give them a whole lot of weight either. I look at all sides, and draw my own conclusions. I believe that's what a discussion board is all about - not forcing one side or another, but presenting facts that support each side, and letting the readers decide on their own.

No disrespect to Mr. Wells, but even if he were Marconi himself, his opinions are just that. They are certainly better qualified opinions, but they are still opinions. As for you not wanting to offer "proof"...that's too bad. I certainly think you'd make your case a whole lot easier if you used less rhetoric and more fact.

I don't need, nor am I trying to "make a case". I'm stating fact. Ibiquity (and its corporate predecessor) has not played nicely at every turning point in the development of IBOC. If you choose not to believe that it is quite alright. I don't really expect you to. If you were not following industry developments at the earliest stages of IBOC then you have no reason to believe what I am saying. That's ok. I don't need to convince you or anyone else that something happened as a prerequisite for it to be true.

I could simply come here and say IBOC is good, and you shouldn't listen to anyone who says otherwise because I'm right! So then what? You wouldn't want me to back that up? All we have then is a board filled with people arguing. Hardly productive, and hardly a discussion.

That's pretty much what we have here though. Unfortunately, we have one particularly disruptive individual here which simply serves to encourage arguing.

So, no, Cal. I'm not going to fall in line with you, or Mr. Wells, or anyone else.

I don't expect you to fall "in line" with anyone. All I was saying is that Mr. Wells knows what he is talking about and what he says should be taken seriously. In fact, it should be taken much more seriously than what I say.

Not until you earn it. Back up your allegations with some facts. Make me believe what you say.

It doesn't matter to me whether or not you believe what I say. It's... immaterial.

You guys are not better than me...

It is highly likely that I am "worse" than you...

in fact you're just as bad as iBiquity if you think that I should just believe everything you say.

I don't expect you to believe anything (much less everything) I say. But by your statement above am I to infer that you think there is at least a POSSIBILITY that Ibiquity has been less than honest over the years?

Shame on you - "facts are immaterial". So you're just telling us to drink the Kool-Aid then?

Wow! I don't expect anyone to do anything without understanding what they are doing. I also didn't say that "facts are immaterial". What I said was that we weren't going to offer proof, that we didn't have to and that doing so is immaterial as to whether or not what we are saying is true. If it is already true then we don't have to prove it for it to continue being true. It also remains true regardless whether or not you believe us.

It's called critical thinking.

Thank goodness somebody is thinking critically!

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

HD Rules ? iBiquity is not even listed, as an exhibitor, for the September 2006 NAB Show - something is going on, with Walsh resigning as CFO ! BTW, exhibit space is sold out !

http://www.nabradioshow.com/exhibitors/exhibitors.asp?letter=*