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HD, satellite, and online audio quality

In summary, what are the differences?

When I first heard of HD and satellite, I ASSUMED the frequency response would be "great" due to digital delivery. I've noticed some information that gives me the impression that HD will be, or is, "near CD-quality". And, that some of the satellite services don't sound as good as I expected...

Is there anywhere I can compare services?:
online streaming versus...
HD versus...
satellite...
 
> In summary, what are the differences?
>
> When I first heard of HD and satellite, I ASSUMED the
> frequency response would be "great" due to digital delivery.
> I've noticed some information that gives me the impression
> that HD will be, or is, "near CD-quality". And, that some
> of the satellite services don't sound as good as I
> expected...
>
> Is there anywhere I can compare services?:
> online streaming versus...
> HD versus...
> satellite...
>
HD (on FM) soounds way better than satellite BUT has the same old programming you currently hear. If you don't mind the lossy compression then get satellite.
 
> HD (on FM) soounds way better than satellite BUT has the
> same old programming you currently hear. If you don't mind
> the lossy compression then get satellite.



When they start to mulitcast don't expect it to be as good though. And of course they ALL want to eventually so expect some sacrifices in SQ.
 
> > In summary, what are the differences?
> >
> > When I first heard of HD and satellite, I ASSUMED the
> > frequency response would be "great" due to digital
> delivery.
> > I've noticed some information that gives me the
> impression
> > that HD will be, or is, "near CD-quality". And, that some
>
> > of the satellite services don't sound as good as I
> > expected...
> >
> > Is there anywhere I can compare services?:
> > online streaming versus...
> > HD versus...
> > satellite...
> >
> HD (on FM) soounds way better than satellite BUT has the
> same old programming you currently hear. If you don't mind
> the lossy compression then get satellite.
>
HD is not CD quality. XM and Sirius are not CD quality. Frequency response doesn't tell the story. ANY digital compression scheme degrades the audio because it throws away detail which can't ever be recovered. Sometimes you'll hear it, sometimes you won't.

Many FM stations are still using digital studio-transmitter links which use compression.

All satellite music networks use compression.

Talk shows generally use an ISDN or Pots line codec for delivering the show to the network, and that involves compression. Then they upload to the affiliates again using compression.

Many FM radio stations still install their music on hard drive utilizing compression.

Most agency commercials are now delivered via mp3 files (compression again).

Bottom line... you may have the "frequency response", but you may end up with noticably degraded audio due to the multiple generations of compression.

What are Jones, ABC, and Westwood One going to do when their affiliates take their compressed audio, which contains twice-compressed commercials, and broadcast in "HD Radio" and it sounds like poop? What will national accounts do when their mp3 commercials run through the network and then the local HD Radio transmitter and sound even worse than the Sears radio commercials we hear today?

Digital is no more than a feel-good buzz word.
 
> > > In summary, what are the differences?

CD is 44.1kHz, 16 bit sampled UNCOMPRESSED (aka: WAV) digital audio
Sat audio is highly compressed (as much as 7:1)...HD radio is almost as bad...
MP3, Mpeg2 (which a lot of audio systems like Prophet, etc use) and anything else that uses compression is NOT CD audio...

> > > Is there anywhere I can compare services?:
> > > online streaming versus...
> > > HD versus...
> > > satellite...

> >
> HD is not CD quality. XM and Sirius are not CD quality.
> Frequency response doesn't tell the story. ANY digital
> compression scheme degrades the audio because it throws away
> detail which can't ever be recovered. Sometimes you'll hear
> it, sometimes you won't.

In a lot of compression schemes (especially MPEG2 with a 4.4:1 or worse compression), the low end suffers....play a CD and a MPEG2 or MP3 and switch back and forth in an A/B test...you will notice the difference..

> Many FM stations are still using digital studio-transmitter
> links which use compression.

Some are...MOST FMs realize you should be running UNCOMPRESSED STLs...
T1s are, so is the Harris Starlink....but the Moseley DSP series?? OH YEAH thats compressed and you can tell! Any ANALOG STL will be uncompressed of course.

> All satellite music networks use compression.
>
> Talk shows generally use an ISDN or Pots line codec for
> delivering the show to the network, and that involves
> compression. Then they upload to the affiliates again using
> compression.
>
> Many FM radio stations still install their music on hard
> drive utilizing compression.

Now that HDs costs a lot less, it makes more sense to use uncompressed WAV audio on the system......Prophet's original CFS Wizard was MPEG2 and the min compression was 4.4:1 IIRC....NEXGEN now allows you to use UNCOMPRESSED audio as well as MPEG2 or others...I had a talk show (LoveLines) on one station where it was recorded the night before...I had the system do it at 22:1 ratio!! Worked ok for voice...but music would SUCK!

> Most agency commercials are now delivered via mp3 files
> (compression again).

Which is totally stupid.......so much for quality!

> Bottom line... you may have the "frequency response", but
> you may end up with noticably degraded audio due to the
> multiple generations of compression.
>
> What are Jones, ABC, and Westwood One going to do when their
> affiliates take their compressed audio, which contains
> twice-compressed commercials, and broadcast in "HD Radio"
> and it sounds like poop? What will national accounts do

Analog already sounds that way!!! Its even worse since they go A->D->A->D->A->D->A by the time they get to the xmtr!! Each time you convert BACK to analog, you lose! then its back to digital where MORE is tossed away by compression (and we arent talking compression like audio processing...think ZIP files here instead :) If it was straight digital and using sample convertors, it would not be as bad....but still!!!

> when their mp3 commercials run through the network and then
> the local HD Radio transmitter and sound even worse than the
> Sears radio commercials we hear today?


> Digital is no more than a feel-good buzz word.

AMEN!!! Unfortunately, the last analog hold out is giving in...AIRCRAFT radio is going digital...the last AM analog holdout in two way radio world....pity....
AM analog is known to be a good weak signal mode...which is needed in aircraft use...but digital?? there goes the neighborhood!
 
Hear it for yourself

Use I-Tunes, which uses a similar AAC compression scheme to HD radio. Import/compress your .wav file to 96Kbps to hear full quality HD-FM, compress it to 48Kbps to hear what the dual program stations sound like (although I-tunes reduces the sample rate to 32Khz on the 48Kbps files automatically... I think HD samples at 44.1Khz no matter what).

You'll notice a pretty big quality loss on the 48 Kbps stream. I'll take analog FM over a 48 Kbps stream any day.
 
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