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136kgb
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The only station in San Diego that benefits from IBOC is the greatest of all radio stations.....AM 600 KOGO! The IBOC protects KOGO from Jaimie Bonilla's Folly (620). The rest of IBOC, turn it off and save the power bill.
But Chris the purpose of IBOC is not to provide more content! Due to the bandwidth it's (legally) taking, it kills the LPFM's, translators, and completely kills distant FM listening (i.e. listen to KRTH 101.1 while driving down 94). Now why would anyone want to do this?????? Kill the competition and FORCE the listeners to listen to poorly programmed stations. But the answer that will crush that mentality will also crush radio completely. The only thing that will really give us good radio again, is when the auto makers put internet radios in the cars (and beware broadcasters it's coming). Then everyone will be cruising the beach listening to www.richbroradio.com NOT a bunch of second rate rock stations.
Internet radios built into the cars will destroy broadcast radio, actually let me amend that the horrible excuse for radio IN EVERY MARKET will force people to the internet, and the internet radios in cars will be the nails in the coffin for radio!
But Chris the purpose of IBOC is not to provide more content! Due to the bandwidth it's (legally) taking, it kills the LPFM's, translators, and completely kills distant FM listening (i.e. listen to KRTH 101.1 while driving down 94). Now why would anyone want to do this?????? Kill the competition and FORCE the listeners to listen to poorly programmed stations. But the answer that will crush that mentality will also crush radio completely. The only thing that will really give us good radio again, is when the auto makers put internet radios in the cars (and beware broadcasters it's coming). Then everyone will be cruising the beach listening to www.richbroradio.com NOT a bunch of second rate rock stations.
Internet radios built into the cars will destroy broadcast radio, actually let me amend that the horrible excuse for radio IN EVERY MARKET will force people to the internet, and the internet radios in cars will be the nails in the coffin for radio!
136kgb is right...and I'd like to hear from DavidEduardo, too. He's very sharp. Here's my take:
The tens of thousands of internet audio/radio streams delivered via WiFi, WiMax or other means will obliterate the advantage the commercial radio had for decades. HD is just a poor answer to technological progress.
The only means of salvation for local broadcasters is to get into bed with local retailers and help them sell their goods and services:
Local broadcasting companies should offer local retailers a menu of services: Web sites, Web stores, cross-selling, guerilla marketing, new media and everything else that sharp Internet companies offer local retailers. Host seminars. Invest in educating local retailers. Take the burden of keeping up with innovation off their shoulders.
Here's an illustration of what local radio faces: My wife and I own a charitable Web site that sells about 1,200 different items to help breast cancer survivors...and for the past three years or so, I've spent about $35,000 a year in online advertising with Google, Yahoo and MS...and I achieved a CPM of under a dollar or two. I thought that was hot. Compare that with the CPM I often sold as a radio rep in San Diego or St. Louis, when a $15 CPM for Adults 25-54 was a hell of a deal. But, you know what? With innovative manipulation of metatags and product descriptions, we've been able to eliminate intenet advertising all together and now we enjoy unpaid search...where our CPM, ladies and germs, is zero.
It's tough to beat 'zero.' Our store isn't huge...and we struggle...but it finally passed the million-dollar mark just last month, after having been in business with a significant effort since about 2004.
And, I don't know what I'm doing! Imagine how astute the young men and women are who really study this stuff, and who make their internet clients some significant money. THAT'S the environment that local radio faces.
Anyhow, if local commercial radio plans on retaining the value of its equity, it had better learn a new business...and treat its over-the-air signal and just another asset among many it can bring to the table to help local retailers.
...and having local personalities...real people to supplement that effort, is so smart. Voicetracking? Not if the radio station wants to succeed.
What's the difference between an I-pod and a station that voicetracks? A: Everything. You'll hear exactly the music you want on your I-pod, so why listen to a voicetracked machine?
Digital or die. And be LOCAL. Create celebrity.
The tens of thousands of internet audio/radio streams delivered via WiFi, WiMax or other means will obliterate the advantage the commercial radio had for decades. HD is just a poor answer to technological progress.
The only means of salvation for local broadcasters is to get into bed with local retailers and help them sell their goods and services:
Local broadcasting companies should offer local retailers a menu of services: Web sites, Web stores, cross-selling, guerilla marketing, new media and everything else that sharp Internet companies offer local retailers. Host seminars. Invest in educating local retailers. Take the burden of keeping up with innovation off their shoulders.
Here's an illustration of what local radio faces: My wife and I own a charitable Web site that sells about 1,200 different items to help breast cancer survivors...and for the past three years or so, I've spent about $35,000 a year in online advertising with Google, Yahoo and MS...and I achieved a CPM of under a dollar or two. I thought that was hot. Compare that with the CPM I often sold as a radio rep in San Diego or St. Louis, when a $15 CPM for Adults 25-54 was a hell of a deal. But, you know what? With innovative manipulation of metatags and product descriptions, we've been able to eliminate intenet advertising all together and now we enjoy unpaid search...where our CPM, ladies and germs, is zero.
It's tough to beat 'zero.' Our store isn't huge...and we struggle...but it finally passed the million-dollar mark just last month, after having been in business with a significant effort since about 2004.
And, I don't know what I'm doing! Imagine how astute the young men and women are who really study this stuff, and who make their internet clients some significant money. THAT'S the environment that local radio faces.
Anyhow, if local commercial radio plans on retaining the value of its equity, it had better learn a new business...and treat its over-the-air signal and just another asset among many it can bring to the table to help local retailers.
...and having local personalities...real people to supplement that effort, is so smart. Voicetracking? Not if the radio station wants to succeed.
What's the difference between an I-pod and a station that voicetracks? A: Everything. You'll hear exactly the music you want on your I-pod, so why listen to a voicetracked machine?
Digital or die. And be LOCAL. Create celebrity.
136kgb said:
Bonilla's 620 is not a threat to the English listening folks in San Diego. IBOC/HDRadio on FM has the pitch of more content via the multicast stations. Two stations take advantage: KPBS-FM and 101.5 KGB. The rest are recycling music; sometimes without commercials. I contend that there may be an audience for the multicast stations, but when the signal drops out, the radio, in most cases, reverts to the analog. It's confusing on some stations to go from one format to another.
If radio is waiting for automakers to save them, well, check the big 2.8 in the U.S. GM and Ford are just imploding, for the first two. The point-eight of Dodge/Chrysler may get props from Mercedes still.
RichBroRadio is killer and as the Ox says, it's all local content.
Best wishes, and yes, I would like David E. to chime in!!
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136kgb
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Chris,
In this case you are absolutely incorrect. The Bonilla station 620 IS a threat to KOGO's signal. It was originally licensed for 10KW with a directional array directing the power due south. The station appears to be running non-directional. The only way to protect the KOGO signal contour at this point is with IBOC. KOGO originally protected El Paso and Vancouver. There have been several other stations that have moved in to block KOGO from raising power. But Bonilla put in 620 (a second adjacent), that was SUPPOSED to be directional. Take an FIM, and make a measurement in Kearny Mesa, you will be astonished at the signal that 620 is putting in there. The 620 should be almost non-existent, BUT IT'S NOT! Hey FCC go after Bonilla or let KOGO power up to protect itself!
1040 KURS went 2 months without legal ID's (sounded like automation problems). Bonilla has flagrant violations with his stations and gets away with it. If Clear Channel over modulates by one half of one percent the FCC would be at their front door beating it down.
And JPRG, everyone on this board has favorite stations (both historically and presently), I just have better taste than others do. It's not necessary for me to have therapy, perhaps we need to have a group therapy for the whole radio board. I mean we are all on a board making suggestions like the management of these stations actually care about our opinion. Radio owners don't care at all about our opinions! Just listen to the stations it's obvious that they don't care about the listeners.
The greatest station in the history of the U.S. is not KOGO it would have to be 650 WSM in Nashville. That radio station redefined a city, created two forms of music (country and blue grass), built an entire industry, and created the longest running show in the history of broadcasting (The Grand Ole Opry from November 28th, 1925 to the present, 83 years). WSM has had a world wide impact it's entire life. But for San Diego radio if you look at a lifetime of broadcasting for a station (1925-present), KOGO is San Diego's best station historically. KCBQ had two different glory day era's, and then was completely destroyed in the 1990's, KCBQ also was not licensed until 1946 (KSDJ). KGB 1360 was a typical small town radio station until 1964 when Bill Drake became the consultant, then it redefined top-40 in San Diego. KDEO and KPRI were both short lived. B-100 had way too short of a life thanks to Tracy Johnson. KFMB-AM with the exception of when Charlie and Harrigan and Hudson and Bauer were on, was somewhat historically un-eventful. Historically KOGO has been successful since the beginning when it was KFSD or KFVW. If you read the history of KOGO or talk to Ernie Myers you will find out how great the station was. And if you look at the ratings today it is still doing very well.
In this case you are absolutely incorrect. The Bonilla station 620 IS a threat to KOGO's signal. It was originally licensed for 10KW with a directional array directing the power due south. The station appears to be running non-directional. The only way to protect the KOGO signal contour at this point is with IBOC. KOGO originally protected El Paso and Vancouver. There have been several other stations that have moved in to block KOGO from raising power. But Bonilla put in 620 (a second adjacent), that was SUPPOSED to be directional. Take an FIM, and make a measurement in Kearny Mesa, you will be astonished at the signal that 620 is putting in there. The 620 should be almost non-existent, BUT IT'S NOT! Hey FCC go after Bonilla or let KOGO power up to protect itself!
1040 KURS went 2 months without legal ID's (sounded like automation problems). Bonilla has flagrant violations with his stations and gets away with it. If Clear Channel over modulates by one half of one percent the FCC would be at their front door beating it down.
And JPRG, everyone on this board has favorite stations (both historically and presently), I just have better taste than others do. It's not necessary for me to have therapy, perhaps we need to have a group therapy for the whole radio board. I mean we are all on a board making suggestions like the management of these stations actually care about our opinion. Radio owners don't care at all about our opinions! Just listen to the stations it's obvious that they don't care about the listeners.
The greatest station in the history of the U.S. is not KOGO it would have to be 650 WSM in Nashville. That radio station redefined a city, created two forms of music (country and blue grass), built an entire industry, and created the longest running show in the history of broadcasting (The Grand Ole Opry from November 28th, 1925 to the present, 83 years). WSM has had a world wide impact it's entire life. But for San Diego radio if you look at a lifetime of broadcasting for a station (1925-present), KOGO is San Diego's best station historically. KCBQ had two different glory day era's, and then was completely destroyed in the 1990's, KCBQ also was not licensed until 1946 (KSDJ). KGB 1360 was a typical small town radio station until 1964 when Bill Drake became the consultant, then it redefined top-40 in San Diego. KDEO and KPRI were both short lived. B-100 had way too short of a life thanks to Tracy Johnson. KFMB-AM with the exception of when Charlie and Harrigan and Hudson and Bauer were on, was somewhat historically un-eventful. Historically KOGO has been successful since the beginning when it was KFSD or KFVW. If you read the history of KOGO or talk to Ernie Myers you will find out how great the station was. And if you look at the ratings today it is still doing very well.
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Bob_Hudson
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136kgb said:
I have to agree about KOGO. It has always been near the top except for a period when the owners of KPRI, under GM Dex Allen, bought KOGO and the proceeded to trash it, and later, under PAR Broadcasting which trashed everything it touched. I don't recall how KOGO did between those two owners, but we all know it does great in the ratings now, and before the Dex Allen gang got it, it was pretty much number one in at least one of the then two ratings books a year (the one that include the Padres season).
Maybe the one thing Clear Channel did right was to rescue KOGO (of course they did by basically moving KSDO's format to AM 600).
136kgb said:
Remember the ole quote: Mexican watts are different than U.S.? AM 620 is on a single stick, just south of XEWW-AM 690 on the coast ... and road to Ensenada.
Mr. Bonilla's ability to skirt the law as a radio station owner is pathetic on both sides of the border.
I would be willing to met and take pictures of meter readings to support your statement.
Try that at 5.8 watts Chris. A real blow torch that should light up Escondido and Vista like a dud bottle rocket for all three people that have a Hydrid Digital CD (seedy) quality car radio that are now literally jumping off the shelves at your local Messed Buy. You should be able to capture this gigantic signal to the left and maybe a little bit right of the shopping centers (MALLS!) along 78 between Guitar Center and and the brick plant just slightly east. If not, then just drive up the hill to the south until you get an "HD lock." Park and enjoy. The experience will be one of a lifetime. Don't forget to bring I.D. The sherrif will want to know what you're doing.
Sorry. Double post due to the incompetence of the Radio-Info board, which is a constant irritant. Nice upgrade. Kina' like an HD system.
RadeoEngineer said:
Should be 58 watts, as the FCC page has KSOQ at a screaming 580 watts of power. As one of the three that have HDRadio (car and home), I can get the station "fine" at home in 92052. It helps to actually see the antenna near Mount Whitney (San Marcos). I do get LA HDRadio better than KSOQ (and Sandy Eggo) ... because it is all about altitude and position.
Short Circuit City, Fried Electronics, and Messed Up Buy have the HDRadio collation in part, to blame. All this talk about hybrids makes me want to buy a fancy car or listen to George Noory. I'm opting for Coast to Coast AM from KOGO ... on HDRadio
Media Hack Chris | SDR said:
It's 1% Chris, not 10%.
RadeoEngineer said:
I confirmed the one-percent solution. Here's the official verbage:
"The ratio of power of the analog signal to the digital signal is standardized at 100:1, devoting 1% of the total carrier power to the digital signal. The National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) is expected to request a 10 dB increase."
Right. Like I said, 5.8 watts. 1%. If the 10dB increase goes through, then 58 watts. I hope the increase goes through. The resulting interference should kill this turkey off for good.
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