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Hedgecock Op-Ed: The Left Scheming To Shut Down Talk Radio

gr8oldies said:
After all this, just today I read 2 items in which liberals wish to shut down those they disagree with. One being a move in Michigan to license journalists

I'm pretty sure that the state rep in Michigan leading his one-man crusade to license journalists (an idea that's getting no support at all from anyone else) is a Republican.

Interesting how we tend to see whatever it is we're looking for, isn't it?
 
amfmxm said:
the reality might be that the highest concentration of liberals listen to AC & CHR.

The reality is that the highest concentration of all people listen to music radio. Even in markets where conservative talk it huge it's getting a 5 share. Not exactly blowing up the charts.
Scott Fybush said:
gr8oldies said:
After all this, just today I read 2 items in which liberals wish to shut down those they disagree with. One being a move in Michigan to license journalists

I'm pretty sure that the state rep in Michigan leading his one-man crusade to license journalists (an idea that's getting no support at all from anyone else) is a Republican.

Interesting how we tend to see whatever it is we're looking for, isn't it?

That's the same as the FCC's "diversity czar" encouraging "community activist" groups to bombard the FCC with complaints on stations that air conservative shows?
 
Should clear myself up. Both sides have their fair share of crazies. Personally I'll listen to both and see which one I believe. Both sides seem to go a little overboard on certain things.
For the most part I don't understand why anyone would want to silence anyone unless they were stirring up a revolution or something like Hate Talk against America.

The evidence I use for Libbys not liking Conservative Radio is for the most part supports of the Fairness Doctrine are Indeed liberal. Not To mention the entirely stupid idea that is Hate Crimes.
 
Lawmaker Seeks To "License"

NTS MediaOnline reports that a Michigan state lawmaker has proposed and introduced a bill in the Michigan legislature to regulate journalists. The bill would regulate and license journalists just like "plumbers, hairstylists and mechanics."


The lawmaker, state Senator Bruce Patterson, is a Republican.
 
LibertyNT said:
For the most part I don't understand why anyone would want to silence anyone unless they were stirring up a revolution or something like Hate Talk against America.

Some of us support the idea of asking Talkers to be honest. We don't support silencing anyone by removing them from the airwaves.... we just ask that they speak truthfullness or when unable to speak truth, shut mouth until truth is once again flowing from brain.

The problem then becomes: who decides what is truth.

Technically we also face a challenge: When the constitution protects speech, it does not mention truth as a
requrement.


LibertyNT said:
The evidence I use for Libbys not liking Conservative Radio is for the most part supports of the Fairness Doctrine are Indeed liberal. Not To mention the entirely stupid idea that is Hate Crimes.

That is apparently your opinion. You have shared with us no evidence about who, if anybody, actually supports (the return of) The Fairness Doctrine.

Maybe you could rewrite your final sentence. I doesn't fully qualify as a sentence.

I like to think that peple of all political persuasions would favor making Talk Radio intelligent, meeting the test of integrity, and using the words of a Supreme Court ruling on another topic: Talk Radio should have socially redeeming value.
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
We don't support silencing anyone by removing them from the airwaves....

The people involved in radio don't generally support this. As has been pointed out, liberal hosts don't bother with supporting the letter writing campaigns since they know they could be next on the list. The people who are doing this aren't involved in radio at all. It's politicians and activists with an axe to grind. Radio people of all persuasions should be appalled at some of the things going on.
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
Some of us support the idea of asking Talkers to be honest. We don't support silencing anyone by removing them from the airwaves.... we just ask that they speak truthfullness or when unable to speak truth, shut mouth until truth is once again flowing from brain.

The problem then becomes: who decides what is truth.

Technically we also face a challenge: When the constitution protects speech, it does not mention truth as a
requrement.



That is apparently your opinion. You have shared with us no evidence about who, if anybody, actually supports (the return of) The Fairness Doctrine.

Maybe you could rewrite your final sentence. I doesn't fully qualify as a sentence.

I like to think that people of all political persuasions would favor making Talk Radio intelligent, meeting the test of integrity, and using the words of a Supreme Court ruling on another topic: Talk Radio should have socially redeeming value.
You make pretty darned good sense! :)
Supposedly The Current Administration Supports That Stupid Fairness Doctrine. Which has been called Liberal.

I personally hate to hear when someone gets forced off the air (unless they truly sucked ;D )
Talk Radio should be intelligent. Although sadly it isn't always that way.
Sometimes an intelligent program might not make as high of ratings as a dumber show might. Just seems to be the way things are.

It seems the word "Truth" In most forms of journalism is usually stretched to fit someones point of view.

Also on The hate Crime Bill I was just saying that was a Dumb Idea as well.
 
LibertyNT said:
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
Some of us support the idea of asking Talkers to be honest. We don't support silencing anyone by removing them from the airwaves.... we just ask that they speak truthfullness or when unable to speak truth, shut mouth until truth is once again flowing from brain.

The problem then becomes: who decides what is truth.

Technically we also face a challenge: When the constitution protects speech, it does not mention truth as a
requrement.



That is apparently your opinion. You have shared with us no evidence about who, if anybody, actually supports (the return of) The Fairness Doctrine.

Maybe you could rewrite your final sentence. I doesn't fully qualify as a sentence.

I like to think that people of all political persuasions would favor making Talk Radio intelligent, meeting the test of integrity, and using the words of a Supreme Court ruling on another topic: Talk Radio should have socially redeeming value.
You make pretty darned good sense! :)
Supposedly The Current Administration Supports That Stupid Fairness Doctrine. Which has been called Liberal.

I personally hate to hear when someone gets forced off the air (unless they truly sucked ;D )
Talk Radio should be intelligent. Although sadly it isn't always that way.
Sometimes an intelligent program might not make as high of ratings as a dumber show might. Just seems to be the way things are.

It seems the word "Truth" In most forms of journalism is usually stretched to fit someones point of view.

Also on The hate Crime Bill I was just saying that was a Dumb Idea as well.

1. Fox News reported at the very start of the Obama administration of the President saying he has no desire to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.

2. There are many gay men like myself who are very thankful the Matthew Shepard bill, which you call a dumb idea, passed. Please leave any homophobic commentary off this post and keep to the subject at hand.
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
I like to think that peple of all political persuasions would favor making Talk Radio intelligent, meeting the test of integrity, and using the words of a Supreme Court ruling on another topic: Talk Radio should have socially redeeming value.

I would like to think so also. Though I'm an unapologetic liberal I don't maintain that I can learn nothing from the other side, my own side or an NPR type of information programming; indeed it seems bizarre for anyone to resent the suggestion that they might learn something.

People on this thread have talked about truth and lies; what nobody has mentioned is trust, which is something that's earned. Regardless of your viewpoint, you should find it easy enough to sniff out whether a talk host is trustworthy or not. To me John Batchelor seems trustworthy and if he presents facts on which he bases his arguments, I tend to accept those facts at face value. Many of his fellow conservatives with talk shows have track records that make me disinclined to accept anything they say on trust, unless I can verify it from more reliable sources. On the liberal side, I trust Rachel Maddow's knowledge of the facts enough that they can be taken to the bank - and if she finds that she was wrong, she goes out of her way to correct herself. I have actually learned something from Batchelor and Maddow and (not by coincidence) they have obviously themselves benefited from much lifetime learning. Others on both sides, but mostly on the right (if only because there are many more of them) think they already know everything and therefore can't learn anything - that should be enough to destroy anyone's trust.

When someone like Hannity, suggesting that President Obama ought to resign, needs to wonder aloud whether any previous President has ever resigned, why should he be trusted as any kind of opinion leader? Maybe he got a sneak peek at the newly revised history gospel according to the Texas State Board of education.

Do I think the government should shut such people down? Of course not. I just think that station owners can do a better job of representing their potential audiences and use their freedom of ownership to open their microphones to more than the same old snake oil.

Is there a scheme, as Hedgecock claims, to shut down talk radio? Absolutely not - maybe just a few people here and there who talk about individual cases, which Hedecock immediately translates to some grand "scheme" to shut down the whole industry; and such people are to be found on the right, maybe more so than the left. As I said, it's a matter of trust, and when Hedgecock comes out with this stuff, why should he be trusted?
 
Sean I did not intend to throw out homphobic comments.
I am by no means a homophobe,
I do not care how someone lives their life. If it makes them happy more power to them.
But in my humble Opinion I believe The hate Crime Bill violates my constitutional right to free speech.
Also thanks for setting me straight on The Fairness Doctrine. It appears I was Misinformed (not all that Uncommon :D )
But lets move to the regularly scheduled topic.

It seems people tend to make things bigger than they actually are.
Some people may want Conservative radio to disappear, But i doubt there is an actual movement to do such a thing.
 
LibertyNT said:
But in my humble Opinion I believe The hate Crime Bill violates my constitutional right to free speech.

From the Human Rights Campaign:

The Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act (HCPA) gives the Department of Justice (DOJ) the power to investigate and prosecute bias-motivated violence by providing the DOJ with jurisdiction over crimes of violence where a perpetrator has selected a victim because of the person's actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability.

In addition, it provides the DOJ with the ability to aid state and local jurisdictions with investigations and prosecutions of bias-motivated crimes of violence. The HCPA authorizes the DOJ to provide grants to state and local communities to cover the extraordinary expenses associated with the investigation and prosecution of hate crimes. It also authorizes the provision of grants for local programs to combat hate crimes committed by juveniles, including programs that train local law enforcement officers in identifying, investigating, prosecuting and preventing hate crimes.

Furthermore, the HCPA requires the Federal Bureau of Investigation to track statistics on hate crimes based on gender and gender identity (statistics for the other groups were already tracked).

http://www.hrc.org/issues/5660.htm


Unless you idea of free speech is inciting violence, you have no basis behind your opinion.
 
But what if you said something about someone and that person got killed.
The person who killed that person said what you said persuaded them to kill that person.
Now your in trouble. Do you think that is fair?
That's my beef with the whole thing.
 
I think the Federal Government is within its rights to enact hate crime laws, since they are not a prior restraint on speech. They are a tool to use in prosecution of crimes once they have been committed.

As far as hate speech in the media is concerned, a good code of conduct would be for talk radio personalities not to talk to, or at, their audience in a manner that they wouldn't dare do if saying the same thing face to face with individuals. Hate speech does exist on the air, with the cowardly perpetrators hiding behind their microphones. It would not be unconstitutional for radio managements to write codes of conduct into their contracts with on-air personalities (indeed, I wouldn't be surprised of such contracts exist).
 
Taken from the Mother Jones article: " NPR's listenership has nearly doubled since 1999, even as newspaper circulation dropped off a cliff. Its programming now reaches 26.4 million listeners weekly — far more than USA Today's 2.3 million daily circ or Fox News' 2.8 million prime-time audience. When newspapers were closing bureaus, NPR was opening them, and now runs 38 around the world, better than CNN. It has 860 member stations — "boots on the ground in every town" that no newspaper or TV network can claim."

This backs my point a few pages back, that libs are listening to NPR. Probably some conservatives too. NPR has become a quality radio network that is growing in this age where radio seems to be generally in decline. NPR has more affiliates than Rush, he claims over 600 vs NPR's 860. In Philly, WHYY-FM, the NPR news/talk/info station pulls in slightly better 12+ numbers than Philly's WPHT that airs Beck/Rush/Hannity.

As NPR has grown (nearly doubling their numbers), the TV version of Rush for libs (MSNBC) doesn't seem to do very well, possibly showing that libs don't want that type of confrontational talk show. Where it does appear that conservatives seem to prefer the confrontational talk shows as both Rush and AM Conservative Talk Radio along with Fox News on TV have grown and are doing quite well vs the more sedate Salem Conservative Talk shows that don't pull in any sort of serious ratings, in Philly, and from what I've read, in any other market either. My guess is, if William F. Buckley were still alive and doing a talk show on either radio or TV, his numbers wouldn't be that great, as his broadcast style is more suited to today's liberal audiences on NPR/PBS than today's conservative audiences that prefer Fox or Rush/Beck/Hannity.
 
Well, now. I haven't been on these boards for a few days, but I see this thread has been chugging merrily along. ;)

For the record, I wasn't suggesting that there should be a conservative version of NPR. I was just wondering if there was any conservative-leaning programming that had a similar tone.

MikefromDelaware said:
None of the stations in the Philly/Wilmington market carry John Batchelor, so I've not had a chance to hear him. However, if he's as you've described maybe his brand of GOP talk will be the next big thing for right wing talk replacing the ranting of Rush/Beck/Hannity.

He has a podcast, so I'll take a listen to him via that.
 
Oh, there's always someone trying to supplant another. And then they get tired and claim they just don't have any time to fool with it, and then they decide they are gonng steal it back when they never had it, and then they don't have time anymore. Then they tell everyone else not to have any time for it, but nobody pays attention, and it spirals out of control.

Those who always were will continue to have their good thing as they always did.
 
I tried a couple of times to listen to John Batchelor's show online and it didn't want to work. I'll try to remember (that will be the biggest challenge) and try listening another day.

Of the conservative talkers on radio that I can get in the markets of Philly or Wilmington, I like Laura Ingraham the best. She'll go over the edge at times too, but she's a lot easier to listen to the Rush/Beck/Hannity/Savage/Levin.

I actually enjoy Rush's show more when he's not there. His fill in hosts I find more interesting to listen to. Far less bombast, more news oriented discussion. I used to enjoy hearing Roger Hedgecock fill in for elRushbo, before he got his own show (now I don't get to hear him as his show isn't carried in my radio market. Paul W. Smith also was an interesting host, whom I've not heard for quite a while ( I remember him from when he was in Philly on WWDB years ago). If William F. Buckley were still alive and on the radio, I'd listen, even if I didn't agree with him on all points, because he had something worthwhile to say. For my ear, Buckley challenged the listener by the quality of thought in what he said without the rancor, sarcasm, and anger that passes for most of today's commercial syndicated talk radio, in my opinion.
 
MikefromDelaware said:
I actually enjoy Rush's show more when he's not there. His fill in hosts I find more interesting to listen to. Far less bombast, more news oriented discussion.

Was going to start another thread about this, but I may as well build on your comments: What do you think of the new sub for Rush, Doug Urbanski? He filled in for the first time on Monday, when Rush was at the tail end of his honeymoon/vacation, and then again yesterday (Rush attended another wedding - "no, not mine," he says). Maybe it's the fact that he's new, but he doesn't necessarily blow me away as much as the other subs might.
 
I haven't been listening all that often to Rush's show of late, but did catch a bit of Doug Urbanski. I'd agree with you, he's nothing that great. He's definitely not on the level of Paul W.Smith or Roger Hedgecock, or even the Australian sounding host (don't remember his name) that Rush has used lately. Maybe Rush has decided to use lesser quality fill in hosts so he'd be missed more, as I said before, I preferred his show, before with the fill in hosts they were getting more than elRushbo.

I'd like to hear Snerdly fill in one day. He always seems to have interesting thoughts that he's continuously pumping into Rush's headset (that Rush dare not let us ever hear from Snerdly's mouth itself so he filters it and gives us what Rush says Snerdly is saying - maybe Bo has a future in talk and Rush doesn't want the competition from a former employee). When I used to listen to Glenn Beck's radio show over a year ago (Beck's too far out there, a conservative version of Keith Obermann) for my ear. I remember his side kick Stew, who did get a mic and quite often had better stuff to say than Beck. He seemed to be the "sane" one there thus was more believable and interesting to hear, again for my ear. I had wondered what the show would have been like if Stew (don't know his last name) was the host and Beck was retired.
 
MikefromDelaware said:
I haven't been listening all that often to Rush's show of late, but did catch a bit of Doug Urbanski. I'd agree with you, he's nothing that great. He's definitely not on the level of... the Australian sounding host (don't remember his name) that Rush has used lately.

That would be Mark Steyn... and the fact that he was not used during the long wedding vacation period makes me wonder if he'll be back in the near future, if at all...

By the by, Glenn Beck's producer is Stu Burguiere.
 
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