Help to verify some numbers

[doc9464]

http://www.rafc.org/2005/07/air-america-radio-up-140-in-la-eating.html

I love to hear good news about Libral/Progressive radio..but we need a way to verify the data...can anyone peek at a book and just share some general information about who is doing what in time slots/demographics....? This request doesnt require posted Arbitron numbers.....which is not admitted here...just want to know if some of the number posted here are really true...

The article only has 12+ data ......can anyone specify more...?

 

[mr_arbitron]

http://www> .rafc.org/2005/07/air-america-radio-up-140-in-la-eating.html
>
>
> I love to hear good news about Libral/Progressive radio..but
> we need a way to verify the data...can anyone peek at a book
> and just share some general information about who is doing
> what in time slots/demographics....? This request doesnt
> require posted Arbitron numbers.....which is not admitted
> here...just want to know if some of the number posted here
> are really true...
>
> The article only has 12+ data ......can anyone specify
> more...?
>

Let's see.. AAR in L.A. went from [UP] Yep!! That's 140%!!!

Now, how to analyze and interpret the data: Malloy and Randi found 1,000 more
drug users who hate Christians, believe that America is bad and Terrorists are good; Are card carrying members of the ACLU with special emphasis on protecting the rights of pedophiles (NAMBLA) _____________________________ <- add your
fave AAR advocacy here


You know what bothers me? Trying to get Latinos to do diaries and fill out diaries.. We offer them 10x more money than WASP's but they won't do it.
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</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by cabradio on 07/30/05 02:24 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[doc9464]

Re: Help to verify some numbers *DELETED*

Oops. I clicked delete instead of edit (I was editting out the numebers from the previous post)...Sorry.

Post deleted by cabradio<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by cabradio on 07/30/05 02:26 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[mr_arbitron]

Let's try again:

You only have a finite pool of radio listeners. music, politics, and the
goony birds.

You, doc, want people to migrate from right wing talk over to left wing talk.

So if I, a casual listener to radio politics tune into right wing radio, I'll hear issues that have a conservative bent.

If I tune into AAR (and please note, I'm saying AAR ONLY because I like
Alan Colmes and Ed Shultz) I will hear: America bad, terrorists good.

Normal Americans don't want to hear that the U.S. is bad (quote O'Reilly) and
we really should be like Cuba.

Who wins?

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[doc9464]

> You, doc, want people to migrate from right wing talk over
> to left wing talk.

Unlike the right, I dont care if conservative radio exists or fails...but what I don't like is the coordinated efforts of the right to "swift boat" the format...and distort what many know to be true.... I believe Liberal Radio will co-exist just fine and most liberals are happy to see it back and thriving...but the right is just so overly focused on crushing each and every accomplishment small or large....the left attackes the issues not the existance of conservatives. I strongly dislike Rush, Hannity, and others on the right ..but we liberals are not spending our waking moments trying to eliminate conservative radio... Look, there is only a small niche that liberal radio has just stared to reclaim....and the really galling part...is that the right brags so much about the overwhelming advantage that the conservative radio format has...so why attack the lib radio format so strongly..

conservatives.should be just fine with the spoils they have..better signal, better whatever ..but thats not the way it works...so we fight back..but id like to fight back with facts not distortion...

> So if I, a casual listener to radio politics tune into
> right wing radio, I'll hear issues that have a conservative
> bent.

Duh....thanks captain obvious...
>
> If I tune into AAR (and please note, I'm saying AAR ONLY
> because I like
> Alan Colmes and Ed Shultz) I will hear: America bad,
> terrorists good.

Thanks for proving my point..you obviously either dont listen to any liberal radio or you just like posting what just isnt true..
>
> Normal Americans don't want to hear that the U.S. is bad
> (quote O'Reilly) and
> we really should be like Cuba.

Again, thanks for demonstrating the problem with the right....nothing to offer but insults ....again very typical...YAWN!!!
>

 

[robbbc]

http://www> .rafc.org/2005/07/air-america-radio-up-140-in-la-eating.html
>
>
> I love to hear good news about Libral/Progressive radio..but
> we need a way to verify the data...can anyone peek at a book
> and just share some general information about who is doing
> what in time slots/demographics....? This request doesnt
> require posted Arbitron numbers.....which is not admitted
> here...just want to know if some of the number posted here
> are really true...
>
> The article only has 12+ data ......can anyone specify
> more...?
>

Although I enjoyed the article I can tell it is just spin. You look at the stuff from the right and it is nothing but spin and then you get spin like this from the left. The figures are probably right, but all this statistical manipulation just muddies the water. It would be nice to get some comparisons without the slant.

 

[dampier]

> If I tune into AAR (and please note, I'm saying AAR ONLY
> because I like
> Alan Colmes and Ed Shultz) I will hear: America bad,
> terrorists good.

Which proves you've never listened to any Air America program. You have heard O'Reilly telling you about what he thinks he heard on Air America, but the loofah was blocking his hearing.

> Normal Americans don't want to hear that the U.S. is bad
> (quote O'Reilly) and we really should be like Cuba.

And that is as close as you ever got to AAR. Does it burn to listen or something? Of course, O'Liely was also telling his viewers and listeners last week that the BBC stood for the Bin Laden Broadcasting Corporation and that they never used the word terror/terrorist before The Factor got on it. After the camera pulled back about 18 miles to get the man's ego in the shot, actual BBC viewers and listeners wondered aloud what planet O'Reilly has been on. In fact, the very day he was telling Fox Sheep that the BBC won't use the word terror, BBC News 24 viewers were watching special coverage with a bold red bar across the bottom 20% of the screen labeled "Terror in London" and "Terrorists Strike Underground." O'Reilly must have been watching some other BBC. Two days later, we get O'Reilly telling viewers that the BBC is afraid to come on The Factor (when his booking people called, I guarantee the BBC's response would have been, "Bill who? Oh, sorry, we don't appear on fictional news programmes.")

Two days after that, he claims victory when someone sent him a tape of the BBC using the word "terror," something they've always been willing to do.

It's the mother-of-all-straw-men.

The only surprising thing here is that anyone trusts the guy after The Incident With the Loofah, particularly after he lied about it to the same people who wanted Clinton staked and burned for his evening encounters with Monica and other Bimbo Eruptions.

 

[dampier]

> is that the right brags so much about the overwhelming advantage
> that the conservative radio format has...so why attack the
> lib radio format so strongly..

It's galling that other talk shows are dissembling the rhetoric, the lies, and the hypocracy by playing clips and illustrating the nonsense of it all. Nobody has challenged these people before and they can't stand it. Franken decided it would be amusing to taunt O'Reilly. To him, it was simply amusing fun. To O'Reilly, it was war, right down to forcing Fox lawyers to get literally laughed out of court trying to shut down Franken's last book.

The reason why SOME conservatives despise the growth of liberal talk is that these were the same people who told us that "nobody wants to hear liberal talk radio," "the liberal left is dead in this country," "they have no listeners and never will," "these people are with the terrorists." Every one of these proud declarations has gone up in flames. Some of the people who made these comments have lower ratings than some Air America hosts. It's an outrage to them. True conservatives who believe in the free market and competition will tell you, "let the best hosts win and let the market sort out the rest."

In this board, we have a small handful of posters who must spend hours trolling around the net looking for any tiny morsel of failure, any evidence, ANYTHING. When they find something, it goes up here with delight on some occasions, Fox-style indictment "innocent questions" a-la "what does this mean?" in others. When people look at the source, it turns out to be a right wing blog, Newsmax, or some other Richard Mellon-Scaife funded project, or a taffy twisted reinterpretation of reports made in legitimate media, as in this latest nonsense about Air America stealing from poor people.

Every bit of it is blown away, despite protestations, relaunched posts, repeated talking points, or reframed threads when average everyday readers do the one thing they don't want you to do. Pick up the phone and find out the truth yourself. Then you watch the sorry Cake Walk that follows. The carnival music goes on, the tap-dancing around the truth begins, and when you hang up the phone, the music stops and everyone gets a chair except for these people who are too busy baffling us with BS to notice. Game over.

 

[doc9464]

Dampier, I can't ever say how much im glad that you take time to post here...once again i can't add to your point..so i just have a comment...

I can take a joke or a barb or even a challenge..but this hit and run nastiness where Im asking for help (this series of posts is just a good example) in determining something...is getting old...im not the only liberal who gets this ....but im surely not going to take it.. and im glad you fight back as well.


> It's galling that other talk shows are dissembling the
> rhetoric, the lies, and the hypocracy by playing clips and
> illustrating the nonsense of it all. Nobody has challenged
> these people before and they can't stand it. Franken
> decided it would be amusing to taunt O'Reilly. To him, it
> was simply amusing fun. To O'Reilly, it was war, right down
> to forcing Fox lawyers to get literally laughed out of court
> trying to shut down Franken's last book.
>
> The reason why SOME conservatives despise the growth of
> liberal talk is that these were the same people who told us
> that "nobody wants to hear liberal talk radio," "the liberal
> left is dead in this country," "they have no listeners and
> never will," "these people are with the terrorists." Every
> one of these proud declarations has gone up in flames. Some
> of the people who made these comments have lower ratings
> than some Air America hosts. It's an outrage to them. True
> conservatives who believe in the free market and competition
> will tell you, "let the best hosts win and let the market
> sort out the rest."
>
> In this board, we have a small handful of posters who must
> spend hours trolling around the net looking for any tiny
> morsel of failure, any evidence, ANYTHING. When they find
> something, it goes up here with delight on some occasions,
> Fox-style indictment "innocent questions" a-la "what does
> this mean?" in others. When people look at the source, it
> turns out to be a right wing blog, Newsmax, or some other
> Richard Mellon-Scaife funded project, or a taffy twisted
> reinterpretation of reports made in legitimate media, as in
> this latest nonsense about Air America stealing from poor
> people.
>
> Every bit of it is blown away, despite protestations,
> relaunched posts, repeated talking points, or reframed
> threads when average everyday readers do the one thing they
> don't want you to do. Pick up the phone and find out the
> truth yourself. Then you watch the sorry Cake Walk that
> follows. The carnival music goes on, the tap-dancing around
> the truth begins, and when you hang up the phone, the music
> stops and everyone gets a chair except for these people who
> are too busy baffling us with BS to notice. Game over.
>

 

[doc9464]

> Oops. I clicked delete instead of edit (I was editting out
> the numebers from the previous post)...Sorry.


No prob...my main response to Mr_Arbitron was curious why it was ok for the ACLU to be maligned when others who are not conservatives use it for any reason..not the insults he decided to post....

In a nut shell, Rush himself is getting help from the organization he has manipulated so many conservative sheep who believe his every word into believing the ACLU is some horrible organization...

Fox link - for conservatives...supports my point
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108140,00.html

Non-Fox link for those who actually like getting real news:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/news/limbaugh/011304_limbaugh.html

Ok here's the fun part... Mr. Rush "addicts should be put in jail unless its me" Limbaugh has said the most horrible things....about the ACLU..they come to defend them...and of course does he tell them oh...lets say.....

"I don't believe in your organization, please don't try to jump in to help me...I don't want your help"

He DIDN'T!!!!!! To this day, the ACLU is still assisting....

Sounds like Mr. Rush "doctor shopping is ok if my maid gets the prescriptions for me" Limbaugh is a big fat hypocrite..... what delicious irony...

Regarding mr_abitron's comments on Latino and diaries...well I hope your company sees your comments.....if thats who you work for....im sure they won't enjoy your comments...
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by cabradio on 07/31/05 03:14 AM.</FONT></P>

 

[robbbc]

Be very careful about anything on Fox about the BBC. They own SKY which is a horrible directv type service that is very angry at the Beeb. Murdoch thinks that if he could get rid of the BBC he could increase his subscriptions. The BBC costs each TV owner about 140 pounds a year for a license to view programming.

After Tony supported the War in Iraq Murdoch has his UK papers spinning against Blair and the War (supporting the conservatives in the UK who oppose the war, sort of) yet spinning against the Democrats in the US on Fox News. IMHO Murdoch is a conservative and he expects his people to support the local conservative movement, regardless of the fact that most Conservatives in the UK and most Democrats in the US hold approximately the same postition on the war. If anything the Conservatives in the UK are more dove-ish on the war. This is about political expediency. Check your Fox News info against these other Murdoch sites:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/

http://www.thesun.co.uk/


> Of course, O'Liely was also telling
> his viewers and listeners last week that the BBC stood for
> the Bin Laden Broadcasting Corporation and that they never
> used the word terror/terrorist before The Factor got on it.
> After the camera pulled back about 18 miles to get the man's
> ego in the shot, actual BBC viewers and listeners wondered
> aloud what planet O'Reilly has been on. In fact, the very
> day he was telling Fox Sheep that the BBC won't use the word
> terror, BBC News 24 viewers were watching special coverage
> with a bold red bar across the bottom 20% of the screen
> labeled "Terror in London" and "Terrorists Strike
> Underground." O'Reilly must have been watching some other
> BBC. Two days later, we get O'Reilly telling viewers that
> the BBC is afraid to come on The Factor (when his booking
> people called, I guarantee the BBC's response would have
> been, "Bill who? Oh, sorry, we don't appear on fictional
> news programmes.")
>
> Two days after that, he claims victory when someone sent him
> a tape of the BBC using the word "terror," something they've
> always been willing to do.
>
> It's the mother-of-all-straw-men.
>

 

[dampier]

> I can take a joke or a barb or even a challenge..but this
> hit and run nastiness where Im asking for help (this series
> of posts is just a good example) in determining
> something...is getting old...im not the only liberal who
> gets this ....but im surely not going to take it.. and im
> glad you fight back as well.

I ignore the shallow talking point trolls most of the time. When someone tries the "if you say it enough, people will think it's true" technique, I just make sure to program a function key to put out the "it's a lie and here's why" paragraph in reply. The more specific accusers get a fairer shake. I read, then go do my own research. I don't defend Air America or liberal talk because they are all-good - there are some liberal shows that suck. But outright BS will get a reply.

Ignore the one-liner "Air America, nobody listens to that" from the hit and run posters. They usually don't come back to see the reply anyway.