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Garrett

I'm sorry but it seems that nobody will answer this question:
Hey, I think it's great that WB will be on free here in the Lubbock mareket. But from a cable stand point, I have a little problem.

You see, in the part of Lubbock I live, I need cable to watch both 14 and 22. Now, that wouldn't be a problem, except that there has been no announcement about whether WB 22 will be carried by Cox cable. Right now, UPN is carried on Cox Channel 6 in Lubbock, and WB remains on 23. That means that if I want to watch WB where I live, I need to shell out an extra 21 dollars for Extended basic, whereas if I just had basic cable, I would only be able to watch UPN, but not WB. That's because, You pay about $14 for channels 1-19, and an extra $21 for channels 20-64. (i. e, it's the differnce between $14 and $50)

So my question is this, does anyone know if there are any plans for WB's cable broadcast to move below channel 19 on Cox Cable Lubbock?

Because, if not, the fact that WB will be available over the air is worthless to me, (and I imagine, many others). And because I live in an appartment, a roof antenna is NOT an option.

Anyone?

Also, I noticed that WB23 is now missing from my Yahoo Cox Cable TV listings. And when I click on the UPN listing, it gives me KWBZ and all the WB listings, so there's no listing for UPN. Am I going to be without UPN on my cable now?
 
> You see, in the part of Lubbock I live, I need cable to
> watch both 14 and 22. Now, that wouldn't be a problem,
> except that there has been no announcement about whether WB
> 22 will be carried by Cox cable. Right now, UPN is carried
> on Cox Channel 6 in Lubbock, and WB remains on 23. That
> means that if I want to watch WB where I live, I need to
> shell out an extra 21 dollars for Extended basic...

> So my question is this, does anyone know if there are any
> plans for WB's cable broadcast to move below channel 19 on
> Cox Cable Lubbock?

Since WB is now on a terrestrial channel, it should be part of the regular basic line-up.

Of course, it should also depend on if WB 22 is full-powered or low-powered, or if it's independently-run or run by a larger station in town. That may influence its placement on cable.
 
> > You see, in the part of Lubbock I live, I need cable to
> > watch both 14 and 22. Now, that wouldn't be a problem,
> > except that there has been no announcement about whether
> WB
> > 22 will be carried by Cox cable. Right now, UPN is carried
>
> > on Cox Channel 6 in Lubbock, and WB remains on 23. That
> > means that if I want to watch WB where I live, I need to
> > shell out an extra 21 dollars for Extended basic...
>
> > So my question is this, does anyone know if there are any
> > plans for WB's cable broadcast to move below channel 19 on
>
> > Cox Cable Lubbock?


Ok, is there anybody out there WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS what is going on. I've already guessed about the low power part, and yes, 14 is an LP. Which actually creates yet another question.... Does it mean that becuase UPN is on LP, there will be no cable coverage of UPN?

AND PLEASE, DON'T ANSWER MY QUESITON UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY KNOW!



> Since WB is now on a terrestrial channel, it should be part
> of the regular basic line-up.
>
> Of course, it should also depend on if WB 22 is full-powered
> or low-powered, or if it's independently-run or run by a
> larger station in town. That may influence its placement on
> cable.
>
 
> Ok, is there anybody out there WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS what is
> going on. I've already guessed about the low power part, and
> yes, 14 is an LP. Which actually creates yet another
> question.... Does it mean that becuase UPN is on LP, there
> will be no cable coverage of UPN?
>
> AND PLEASE, DON'T ANSWER MY QUESITON UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY
> KNOW!

Methinks you asketh too much of us, Garrett.

The answer that was given by rugrats would help you find the answer yourself, but instead you are asking that people who probably have no idea what the Lubbock cable system will do answer you.

Here are all the things we do not know, and therefore cannot answer your question definitively:

1. We do not know if the cable system has an aversion to running LPTVs in the first place.
2. We do not know if the LPTV in question is owned or operated by a full signal that the cable system carries, which might force the carriage of the LPTV even if the answer to #1 is yes.
3. We do not know if the LPTV puts a usable signal to the cable system head end, and if they do not, we don't know whether they are willing to send a signal via fiber optics instead.
4. We do not know if the fact that the LPTV is now the UPN affiliate has any bearing on any of the above.

I have a constructive suggestion: Call the cable company on Tuesday and tell them you want them to continue carrying UPN programming. That will have more influence than anything we might (or might not) be able to tell you.<P ID="signature">______________


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I just had a crazy thought.

Do you know if Hobbs is in the Lubbock DMA or not? Because if it is, then KUPT-29 (formerly KHFT), which simulcasts KUPT-LP 14 would have must-carriage in the DMA, right?

- Trip<P ID="signature">______________
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1. We do not know if the cable system has an aversion to
> running LPTVs in the first place.

-----THey would probably carry UPN14 since it is a national network, albeit not one of the big 4. In Roanoke, COX carries the UPN channel even though it is from a low-powered full power station 70 miles away.
> 2. We do not know if the LPTV in question is owned or
> operated by a full signal that the cable system carries,
> which might force the carriage of the LPTV even if the
> answer to #1 is yes.

-----In Lubbock, both the LPTV UPN and the low powered are owned by Ramar Communications which also owns the ABC station in Lubbock....

> I have a constructive suggestion: Call the cable company on
> Tuesday and tell them you want them to continue carrying UPN
> programming. That will have more influence than anything we
> might (or might not) be able to tell you.
>
Doubtless, the cable company has already decided what they are going to do, but I guess it wouldn't hurt.

The interesting thing here, that nobody has mentioned, is that obviously the WB is now accepting affiliates in sub 100 markets, an interesting development. They already have OTA affiliates in Tallahassee and Helena, both sub 100s. I imagine that these new affiliates in sub 100 markets are showing the same 24/7 programming that is presented on WB's cable channel, which has apparently been seen on Lubbock's cable 23. It is possible that Lubbock cable will put the new OTA WB channel on 14 (or some other broadcast tier channel) and place the LPTV UPN channel on expanded tier cable 23---other cable companies have put LPTVs on expanded tiers or even on digital, so its possible.
 
> I just had a crazy thought.
>
> Do you know if Hobbs is in the Lubbock DMA or not? Because
> if it is, then KUPT-29 (formerly KHFT), which simulcasts
> KUPT-LP 14 would have must-carriage in the DMA, right?
>
> - Trip
>
Hobbs is in the Albuquerque DMA (Albuquerque is only about 350 miles from Hobbs) so that won't work. I guess the Hobbs station is eligible for LIL must carry on DBS throughout the Albuquerque DMA!!!!
 
> -----THey would probably carry UPN14 since it is a national
> network, albeit not one of the big 4. In Roanoke, COX
> carries the UPN channel even though it is from a low-powered
> full power station 70 miles away.

But WDRL probably has must-carry too. Yes, it's an LP, but that's only because WDRL-24 is unable to move any closer to Roanoke on the analog side due to interference from WPXR-38 (seriously).

> -----In Lubbock, both the LPTV UPN and the low powered are
> owned by Ramar Communications which also owns the ABC
> station in Lubbock....

Huh? I thought Ramar owned KJTV Fox 34, and KAMC ABC28 was controlled by Nexstar, owner of KLBK-13?

- Trip<P ID="signature">______________
Visit my website, www.rabbitears.info! It's eventually going to be your one resource for television info! Digital television, histories, and technical information for the entire USA from one source!</P>
 
> But WDRL probably has must-carry too. Yes, it's an LP...

According to the FCC database (<a target="_blank" href=http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=15507>http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=15507</a>), WDRL is fill-powered, at 1150kw. It's their digital transmitters that are low-powered.

Because of this, WDRL does have must-carry rights.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by rugrats1 on 01/02/06 04:43 AM.</FONT></P>
 
OK.. I live in Northeast OHIO. I have Time Warner Cable.. We had the same thing happen to us this time last year. Or local NBC station WFMJ TV 21 added the WB network to their sub-channel. It launched on NOV 1 2004. SO local cables including TWC was going to add it. Well it took Time Warner intil Jan 1 2005 to add the channel. Also we get WUAB UPN/43 Cleveland OH on cable but the station has some of its synd programming blacked out.Because the local market has the rights to that programming which I think is crazy oh well. The thing that gets me the station is Grandfathered into the system. Where I live I am under the Youngstown OH DMA. But I get Youngstown, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh stations.Because my county has those stations as SIGNIFICANTLY VIEWED. If this information doesn't help you in anyway.Contact your WB and UPN stations or the your cable provider.
 
Ok ok ok...

> > Ok, is there anybody out there WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS what is
> > going on. I've already guessed about the low power part,
> and
> > yes, 14 is an LP. Which actually creates yet another
> > question.... Does it mean that becuase UPN is on LP, there
>
> > will be no cable coverage of UPN?
> >
> > AND PLEASE, DON'T ANSWER MY QUESITON UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY
> > KNOW!
>
> Methinks you asketh too much of us, Garrett.
>

I will call Cox. But I was hoping someone from Lubbock who might be browsing the board might know, and that way I could save some time.
Sorry for the feather ruffle...
 
KAMC and KJTV

Unless there's been some change that I am not aware of, (since the last time I worked there), KAMC and KLBK (ABC and CBS) are operated by NexStar. KAMC is owned under a dummy name "Mission Broadcasting" (same as KAMR Amarillo), whih KLBK is owned by NexStar outright.

RAMAR Owns and operates:
Fox KJTV 34
UPN KUPT LP 14
Telemundo KXTQ TV 46
and
WB KWBZ 22.

NBC KCBD TV 11 is currently the only networked station in the market operating alone.

> > -----THey would probably carry UPN14 since it is a
> national
> > network, albeit not one of the big 4. In Roanoke, COX
> > carries the UPN channel even though it is from a
> low-powered
> > full power station 70 miles away.
>
> But WDRL probably has must-carry too. Yes, it's an LP, but
> that's only because WDRL-24 is unable to move any closer to
> Roanoke on the analog side due to interference from WPXR-38
> (seriously).
>
> > -----In Lubbock, both the LPTV UPN and the low powered are
>
> > owned by Ramar Communications which also owns the ABC
> > station in Lubbock....
>
> Huh? I thought Ramar owned KJTV Fox 34, and KAMC ABC28 was
> controlled by Nexstar, owner of KLBK-13?
>
> - Trip
>
 
> > But WDRL probably has must-carry too. Yes, it's an LP...
>
> According to the FCC database
> (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=15507), WDRL is
> fill-powered, at 1150kw. It's their digital transmitters
> that are low-powered.
>
> Because of this, WDRL does have must-carry rights.

Of course, if you had looked at the situation, WDRL is broadcasting with about the most insane directional pattern I've ever seen, putting almost no signal into Virginia (all aimed at Greensboro, NC) and from a tower no taller than most cell phone towers.

So their signal in Roanoke and Lynchburg is available via W54BT, an LPTV station, which has remain-silent authority and appears to be broadcasting without a license on channel 24 (they are definitely on Poor Mountain with channel 24 analog, though I see no license nor STA for it).

- Trip<P ID="signature">______________
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