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Hendrie's on the air, and guess what?

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The_Natural

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It's not the 20th or the 23rd. I love it when people know what the eff they are talking about.

And it's Holmberg, not Holmburg.

We are the 5th largest city in the nation and the only two entertaining shows on the radio are Holmberg and Hendrie... How pathetic are we?

Oh well, back to your "what if" conversations about dance stations nobody can pick up or listens to and discussions about washed-up morning dj's getting kicked off overcompressed urban format stations... yawn<P ID="signature">______________
"The time you hate to walk away... becomes the time that you regret you
walked away"
</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by The Natural on 01/17/06 04:09 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> It's not the 20th or the 23rd. I love it when people know
> what the eff they are talking about.
>
> And it's Holmberg, not Holmburg.
>
> We are the 5th largest city in the nation and the only two
> entertaining shows on the radio are Holmberg and Hendrie...
> How pathetic are we?
>
> Oh well, back to your "what if" conversations about dance
> stations nobody can pick up or listens to and discussions
> about washed-up morning dj's getting kicked off
> overcompressed urban format stations... yawn
>

(waking from a coma...) I couldn't agree more. Thank God for being able to hear Hendrie around every corner, not having to back up at an intersection to hear 910 clearly.

C'mon now, you aren't intersted in speculation about Kid & Ruben, the latest no-show for Energy and how great dance would be on a 100,000 watt city grade signal, how it's time to "CHILL", or a Kid & Ruben "Chill" party on Energy?

The problem here is that Phoenix radio and terrestrial radio in general has been hijacked by corporate swindlers who know more about flipping, churning and creating shareholder value than they do about broadcasting. Prophet Systems is great when it enhances talent's ability, not when it allows daisy chaining 25 studios together.

Hendrie is entertaining, so is Holmberg. Radio needs more like them. With all the choices people have today. and the new technologies that are on the horizon, fragmentation will get even worse and radio will either return to being solid entertainment or become sheer valueless drivel and lose <35 listeners.

Back to my medically induced coma. Please wake me when it get's better.
 
Re: KZON lineup

Ok so since the KZON website is embarassingly not updated with an accurate schedule, could someone pls post the lineup/times here?
 
Re: KZON lineup

> Ok so since the KZON website is embarassingly not updated
> with an accurate schedule, could someone pls post the
> lineup/times here?

Heck, their on-air promos don't even always agree... Leykis at 3 or 4? Corolla at 5 or 6? Til when?

Corolla til 11
Triplets til 4 (apparently until DST)
Leykis til 8
Hendrie til 11
Music til 5
 
Try driving around town to pick up the show when he was on 640 KFI!

Good to hear his show live, hoping for insane Phoenix callers, though I doubt the Sun City folk are listening to Free FM.
 
Re: Legend City

> Try driving around town to pick up the show when he was on
> 640 KFI!
>
> Good to hear his show live, hoping for insane Phoenix
> callers, though I doubt the Sun City folk are listening to
> Free FM.
>
Yeah, since it's on 101.5, I doubt the blue hair contingency will be tuning in. But, there are plenty of soccer moms for him to pi$$ off.

Actually in my vehicles, KFI came in better than 910 about 60% of the time. Glad to have it on a full C FM.

That's the one thing I miss having switched from XM to Sirius, Hendrie w/o static. Now it makes me even more glad that I canned XM, not that Sirius is really great either. Terrestrial radio could so easily get their act together and be something again. Profanity doesn't make satellite better.

By the way, I like your handle. I really miss Legend City. I hate SRP to this day for buying out the Cappel (sp?) family. Phoenix is a lesser place without it.
 
Re: Legend City

it was a fun place, and a bit of Phoenix history that newbies know nothing about!
 
Re: Phoenix is not the 5th radio market.

> We are the 5th largest city in the nation and the only two
> entertaining shows on the radio are Holmberg and Hendrie...
> How pathetic are we?

No, for radio you are _not_ the 5th largest city.

> I love it when people know what the eff they are talking about

Which you obviously do not... if you think Phoenix metro has a population of 5 million.

Radio stations do not care whether there are imaginary lines between towns of a metropolitan area. Radio is programmed and sold to the market, not the central city.

Phoenix is the 15th market.

Not the 5th.
 
Re: Phoenix is not the 5th radio market.

He never said that Phoenix was the 5th largest radio market.

He said its the 5th largest city.

Stop trying to read in things that aren't there. The word "market" was nowhere in his post, only yours.
 
Re: Phoenix is not the 5th radio market.

> He never said that Phoenix was the 5th largest radio market.
>
>
> He said its the 5th largest city.
>
> Stop trying to read in things that aren't there. The word
> "market" was nowhere in his post, only yours.
>

Here, here!! I second that emotion!

No, David Eduardo, YOU clearly are the one who "obviously doesn't know what you're talking about," to quote your pompous words.

Phoenix is the 5th largest U.S. city, by population, with 1.4 million people. He said nothing about its radio market size. Perhaps he was just trying to convey that for a city with 50% of its population between the ages of 18-54, which is younger than the national average, that there isn't much variety on the dial for such a young, large, hip city.
 
Re: Phoenix is not the 5th radio market.

> He never said that Phoenix was the 5th largest radio market.
>
>
> He said its the 5th largest city.
>
> Stop trying to read in things that aren't there. The word
> "market" was nowhere in his post, only yours.
>

The fact that one political jurisdiction within a market is big or small is totally irrelevant. The poster´s argument was based on "a big city like Phoenix deserves better..."

In the context of radio, there are NO cities, only markets. As such, his contention is wrong.
 
Re: Phoenix is not the 5th radio market.

> > He never said that Phoenix was the 5th largest radio
> market.
> >
> >
> > He said its the 5th largest city.
> >
> > Stop trying to read in things that aren't there. The word
>
> > "market" was nowhere in his post, only yours.
> >
>
> Here, here!! I second that emotion!
>
> No, David Eduardo, YOU clearly are the one who "obviously
> doesn't know what you're talking about," to quote your
> pompous words.

Again, the size of Phoenix has NOTHING to do with th ekind of radio the market gets. The size of the market is what determines it, to some extent... and the size of that market´s revenues to the greater extent.

I really want to know how to stop radio waves at city limits.
>
> Phoenix is the 5th largest U.S. city, by population, with
> 1.4 million people. He said nothing about its radio market
> size.

And that data is irrelvant to a radio discussion. The size of the market determines what a market can afford and what it gets. The whole idea that the size of one city among dozens that make up the market has any relevance to a discussion is nutty.

: Perhaps he was just trying to convey that for a city
> with 50% of its population between the ages of 18-54, which
> is younger than the national average, that there isn't much
> variety on the dial for such a young, large, hip city.

No one analyzes the demos of Phoenix. The analyze the demos of the market. Arbitron does not even have a convenient way to look at Phoenix, the city, alone (although you could go through a tedious excercise of looking at ZIP Codes). This is becasue city data is irrelvant.

By the way, demographically, Phoenix is not much different than other SW growth markets in age distribution; it leans pretty sunbelt old, in fact. LA is 65.0% 18-54. Phoenix is 58,5%. So much for it being younger. In fact, nearly all radio stations target 18-54 as there is no ad revenue in either side.
>
 
Re: Phoenix is not the 5th radio market.

And yet he NEVER said market.

He merely pointed out that Phoenix is the fifth largest city, not the 5 largest market.

You made an assumption, and then you tried to spin your way out of the argument.

You can't play games with sematics. If he meant market, he would have said market and not needed you to jump in and insinuate that he was talking markets.

You disagreed with the poster, created a straw man argument to bust him on, and did a terrible job of it. Words mean things, thats why companies have lawyers to ensure that you say what you want to say with the words that you use.
 
Re: Phoenix is not the 5th radio market.

David....Blah blah blah


He never said market, he said that PHX was the 5th largest city.

You decided to go all "homeowner association" on him and try to read in what you thought you wanted him to say.

But you were wrong. You can't argue someone on your assumptions of what you thought the person was saying. Read his post, reply on that, don't put words in his mouth.

Spin all you want David, you misread his post and tried to narc him on it, and you erred, worse, you didn't admit it and made a pompous fool of yourself.

BTW David, I'm not in the Radio Biz, so I actually read the words and apply to them what they mean.
 
Re: Phoenix is not the 5th radio market.

> And yet he NEVER said market.
>
> He merely pointed out that Phoenix is the fifth largest
> city, not the 5 largest market.

And that, I am pointing out, is irrelevant to a discussion about a radio market. There is no exclusively City of Phoenix radio market. There is a Phoenix metro radio market. In that context, the size of one political jurisdiction within te market is totally irrelevant.
 
Re: Individual cities do not define a market or its radio offerings

>
> He never said market, he said that PHX was the 5th largest
> city.

And I pointed out that this fact is totally out of place, irrelevant and unrelated to a discussion of Phoenix radio.
>>
> Spin all you want David, you misread his post and tried to
> narc him on it, and you erred, worse, you didn't admit it
> and made a pompous fool of yourself.

I did not misread. The same guy has put the 5th largest city""argument out here before, trying to indicate that the size of the city of Phoenix has any bearing on the radio market. It does not. The size of the metro does.
>
> BTW David, I'm not in the Radio Biz, so I actually read the
> words and apply to them what they mean.

then you may need to read some more and realize that radio is market based... and a market is defined by Arbitron, not politicians. The political jurisdictions inside the market, few or many, are not germane to this discussion of radio.
>
 
TYPICAL ARROGANCE

> And that, I am pointing out, is irrelevant to a discussion
> about a radio market. There is no exclusively City of
> Phoenix radio market. There is a Phoenix metro radio market.
> In that context, the size of one political jurisdiction
> within te market is totally irrelevant.
>

But he is not talking about market size, only you are.

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by zumahans1 on 01/18/06 05:52 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Usual Hans comeback.

>
> But he is not talking about market size, only you are.

He was talking about the radio offerings in the market, then proceded to confuse the city with the market. The city has nothing to do with what is or is not on the radio. The market does.
>
> He is expecting that the fifth largest city in the U.S.
> would generate a culture that would be expressed in better
> radio.

Irrelevant comparison, and invalid, also. the "culture" of Phoenix has as much to do with non-city-of-Phoenix things as anyting in the city. ASU is not in Phoenix, it is in tempe. The early Mormon settlers were not in Phoenix, they were in Tempe. The tourism industry is not in Phoenix... it began in the desert to the West and is mostly in Scottsdale. The original state capital was not even in Phoenix, which was a dump with a railroad yard until the 40's.
>
> Guess what David: most people in the workld don't give a
> cra* about market size.
Anyone who works in or runs a radio station gives a crap. Thier income, job security and future depend on knowing the market, not the unrelated political boundries that intersect the market. If yu are a local politician, then maybe these things are of importance. Or if you are home hunting, the school systems may have a big bearing. But as to listening to raido or watching TV, we don't care about the city of license or anything except the programming. It's ALL about the metro.

> Only cloistered, irrelevant research
> automatons like you!

Hi from Austin, where I just finished a 120 person research project in a Civic Center. Off to San Jose tomorrow, to do another. I guess my definition of "cloistered" does not match yours. There are several here tonigh using words and definitions wrong.

The "cloisted" programmer who talked to Phoenix listeners three times in the last 90 days seems to have created the market's new #1 radio station, in case you have not noticed.

Maybe it is because I travel to markets every week, and spend all my time outside of stations, talking to listeners. The proof is that it is neither cloistered, irrelvant nor automated. It is real, listener based and effective.
 
Re: TYPICAL ARROGANCE

I thought we were the 6th largest city in the nation... huh... when did that happen?

But I guess this side trip from The Natural's original point was neccessary...

Because sometimes it's hard to feel big unless we try to cut someone else off at the knees.

Most people would read what was said and understand the basic point...

Ironic that Legend City stepped in and actually had substance to his argument that went beyond a Matt Gerson connection.

Oh and by the way, some of you are arrogant and some of you are semantic weasles.

But most of you would end up at a Star Trek convention arguing the finer points of the schematics of the ship daily if given the opprotunity.

It's radio... let's stick to the point... this market is a mess... getting messier by the day... Free FM was a much needed shot in the arm... although...

A shame we had to bring it in syndicated form.

Could have been done locally had people nurtured and cultivated local talent.

So now we have the best that CBS Radio could put together (with some help from Premier).

Radio was supposed to be local... remember?
 
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