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Here's what you'll get on HD-2

Clear Channel FMs: (Launching January 30)
WEBN-FM | Mainstream/Active Rock | HD2 Channel: New Alternative
WKFS-FM | CHR/Rhythmic | HD2 Channel: Classic Hip-Hop
WOFX-FM | Classic Rock/Hits | HD2 Channel: AAA
WVMX-FM | Hot AC | HD2 Channel: Urban Variety

CBS Radio FM: (No date announced)
WKRQ-FM HD-2 Channel: "My HD" Interactive, all request format

No word from The Indian or Radio One
 
> Clear Channel FMs: (Launching January 30)
> WEBN-FM | Mainstream/Active Rock | HD2 Channel: New
> Alternative
> WKFS-FM | CHR/Rhythmic | HD2 Channel: Classic Hip-Hop
> WOFX-FM | Classic Rock/Hits | HD2 Channel: AAA
> WVMX-FM | Hot AC | HD2 Channel: Urban Variety
>
> CBS Radio FM: (No date announced)
> WKRQ-FM HD-2 Channel: "My HD" Interactive, all request
> format
>
> No word from The Indian or Radio One
>

The other CBS stations had HD2 signals as well.

Alternative WAQZ HD2 "Extreme HD Rock and Hip Hop"
Oldies WGRR HD2 "All 80s"
Hot AC WKRQ HD2 "My HD (Interactive all request channel)"
Country WUBE HD2 "Future Country"

Also Dayton Clear Channel:

Top 40 WDKF HD2 "Artist Channel"
Smooth Jazz WDSJ HD2 "Jazz"
News/Talk WLW HD2 "In-Depth News"
AC WLQT HD2 "Oldies 60s & 70s"
Hot AC WMMX HD2 "Christian AC"
Classic Rock WTUE HD2 "Deep Tracks & Live Rock Cuts"
Alternative WXEG HD2 "All New Alternative"

=====================================================
My HD is probably the most unique format of the new ones as is Extreme HD Rock & Hip Hop. My question is how succesful will My HD be and will it be jocked. Listenership will be near 0 especially when the stations launch so unless they do a 20 on 20 type of interactive station it will be difficult to pull off.
 
News/Talk WLW HD2 "In-Depth News" must be an info-style channel they're putting on the HD-2 channel. From what I've heard, the HD-3 channel has the sound quality of AM and may be where future talk formats end up.

There's also talk (how legit I don't know) about clearing the AM band and, in exchange, giving displaced stations HD-3 channels for their programming. That would rid the AM band of underperformers and open up more space for nighttime IBOC.
 
Here's some questions, and I guess I'm just confused when I read the press releases - which wouldn't be the first time:

Will these HD formats be programmed locally, or is it all piped in from somewhere else?

And if it's piped in, will there at least be some local "tweaking" so that it's market-specific?
 
Is this going to be on WLW's HD channel or is WLW programming in-depth news on an FM HD channel?<P ID="signature">______________
Have a Happy New Year!
http://www.thebig8.net/have_a_happy_new_year_with_cklw.mp3</P>
 
> Is this going to be on WLW's HD channel or is WLW
> programming in-depth news on an FM HD channel?
>

I think WLW will be on a FM channel.. To my knowledge there is NO HD-2 on AM radio. It's not allowed. <P ID="signature">______________
Program Director/Music Director
X Music Online
The X
Today's Best Music
http://www.xmusiconline.com/</P>
 
> Clear Channel FMs: (Launching January 30)
> WEBN-FM | Mainstream/Active Rock | HD2 Channel: New
> Alternative
> WKFS-FM | CHR/Rhythmic | HD2 Channel: Classic Hip-Hop
> WOFX-FM | Classic Rock/Hits | HD2 Channel: AAA
> WVMX-FM | Hot AC | HD2 Channel: Urban Variety
>
> CBS Radio FM: (No date announced)
> WKRQ-FM HD-2 Channel: "My HD" Interactive, all request
> format
>
> No word from The Indian or Radio One
>
WOW what a deal. 4 new channels for only $500 and interference all over the place. IBOC=I Bother Other Channels. I'm so excited. I'd imagine with all those people owning all of these wonder HD radios that the "My HD" format will be overwhelmed with music from caller's requests. Or will it be a brand new idea for a format "DEAD AIR".<P ID="signature">______________
Bill Spry

</P>
 
> News/Talk WLW HD2 "In-Depth News" must be an info-style
> channel they're putting on the HD-2 channel. From what I've
> heard, the HD-3 channel has the sound quality of AM and may
> be where future talk formats end up.
>
> There's also talk (how legit I don't know) about clearing
> the AM band and, in exchange, giving displaced stations HD-3
> channels for their programming. That would rid the AM band
> of underperformers and open up more space for nighttime
> IBOC.
>

I'll be receiving social security before that happens. If you thought consumer groups fought the elimination of analog TV, imagine what they would do with the elimination of AM.

I am still higly skeptical that anyone is going to buy HD radio outside of A)Radio geeks or B) audiophiles. No one else is going to spend 250 dollars or more for a radio that only gives them 8 or 9 additional stations and even if they did you can't buy them anywhere and the Best Buy's and Circuit Cities will continue to push the Satellite radio models. We are two weeks away from the official rollout and I still hear no promotions dealing with HD2, nothing on station websites, and no stores that are carrying the prodcut. What a cluster.
 
Bill,

If I were you, I'd worry more about my little pea shooter LPFMs that nobody can hear and where they're going to end up after all of the signal moves. I hear WIOK is moving to 107.9. What now?

You and tito just don't get it. That's good for the rest of us.
 
Blah, Blah, Blah

How many times do you need to have this explained to you tito?

One more time, and I'll say it loud: "IT'S NOT READY YET!!! IT WON'T BE ON THE AIR UNTIL JANUARY 30th!"

How many times do industry people know about things before the general public does? Do you really expect to hear them promoting it, just to have people go there and it's not there? Why doesn't McDonald's start promoting their new restaurants that they have planned but haven't opened yet? Yeah, what a cluster.

By the way, if I own a tiny 1000 watt AM, and someone wants to swap a full-powered FM HD channel for it, I think I'd take it. Even with digital, an AM signal is what it is.
 
> Bill,
>
> If I were you, I'd worry more about my little pea shooter
> LPFMs that nobody can hear and where they're going to end up
> after all of the signal moves. I hear WIOK is moving to
> 107.9. What now?

Well, first off, the LPFM's have nearly 40,000 people living in their coverage area including the fringe. That's more than 'nobody' as you claim. This based on the 1990 census. Not sure what it is up to now with Independence being one of the fastest growing Kentucky communities.

What you should have been told is that WIOK has been threatened to be forced into making a move to our channel. WIOK & WRHX have been cooperating with each other in order to fight the move (which neither wants). Go to the FCC site and educate yourself in the paperwork that has been filed to get the whole story.

>
> You and tito just don't get it. That's good for the rest of
> us.

What's good for the rest of us (don't you mean, what's good for those that want IBOC?)? A system that causes unbelievable interference and ruins the AM & FM band as we know it, so that the big players can continue to spread their monopolies and continue to rid the spectrum of the unworthy (the mom and pops; or make them unhearable) all in the name of 4 or 5 more interference hashing channels? Whatever. It's called GREED. I'll never buy into this crap service. It was an idea turned bad as it progressed because their design turned to selfish greed. It was a 'just get it done' decision to be able to complete with XM & Sirius (which IBOC can not successfully do). Plain bad engineering (and the big boys screeeeeammmed about all of the interference that LPFM would do to the dial? A smokescreen. Well that's another story).

I've been told that IBOC is not written in stone yet and that TI's DRE manufacturers are planning and gearing up for a major war. I was told this by someone from a major Radio Trade Magazine. A station can still have multiple channels with their system, as I understand it, not cause co-channel hash and be able to upgrade using their same facilities (transmitter/antenna) for around $2500. Oh, and DRE does not want 3% of the revenue that the station produces on their secondary channel(s) like iBiquity wants. See http://focus.ti.com/docs/general/splashdsp.jhtml?&path=templatedata/cm/splashdsp/data/dri300_350 (watch the wrap) for more info on the DRE system.

Once internet radio is made available to cars the radio landscape will completely change and IBOC will only be a memory. I understand that Motorola is introducing a service (iRadio) in markets that will provide 435 music channels available via the air thru a cellular phone which uses Bluetooth technology. See http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,,6260_6215_23,00.html and see http://broadband.motorola.com/iradio/

Not to worry about 107.9. It's not dead yet and we don't think it will happen. The owners of 107.9, WIOK & Education Media are fighting the move. We feel that Educational Media will win the allocation with a new station resulting south of us on a different channel which would kill the move completely and keep WRHX & WIOK where they are. Oh and just in case it does happen, I'm a man with a plan, so not to worry. ClassX will be around one way or another.

BTW, ClassX is doing very very well, thank you. Have you heard how many sponsors we have? Sales have been going very well. We do have limited coverage but 'we do' have coverage and people are loving us. We hope to add live announcers later this year. Those interested in air slots or marketing positions can contact me directly at [email protected]. We have unpaid/volunteer air positions available right now.

Oh and who is Tito?<P ID="signature">______________
Bill Spry

</P>
 
More blah, blah, blah

Your long technical rant was boring.

IBOC on FM is here and it's been running so why haven't I noticed ANY interfernece? The four CC FMs have been running it for a while now.

I understand that AM IBOC is a nightmare, so it needs work.

As for the LPFMs, I really don't care. It doesn't matter if WIOK is being forced to move or not. If they move, where does that leave 107.9? I just find it interesting that someone who flaunted the FCC with his pirate Free Radio station in the 90s running substantial power is suddenly so concerned with FM interference.
 
Please explain to me how HD Radio ruins the FM band. I have had a couple of HD staiton up and running for nearlyt a year now and not one complaint, nor did anyone notice that it was turned on. Now that more peopel are getting HD Radios, people have noticed by being able to receive the signal.



> > Bill,
> >
> > If I were you, I'd worry more about my little pea shooter
> > LPFMs that nobody can hear and where they're going to end
> up
> > after all of the signal moves. I hear WIOK is moving to
> > 107.9. What now?
>
> Well, first off, the LPFM's have nearly 40,000 people living
> in their coverage area including the fringe. That's more
> than 'nobody' as you claim. This based on the 1990 census.
> Not sure what it is up to now with Independence being one of
> the fastest growing Kentucky communities.
>
> What you should have been told is that WIOK has been
> threatened to be forced into making a move to our channel.
> WIOK & WRHX have been cooperating with each other in order
> to fight the move (which neither wants). Go to the FCC site
> and educate yourself in the paperwork that has been filed to
> get the whole story.
>
> >
> > You and tito just don't get it. That's good for the rest
> of
> > us.
>
> What's good for the rest of us (don't you mean, what's good
> for those that want IBOC?)? A system that causes
> unbelievable interference and ruins the AM & FM band as we
> know it, so that the big players can continue to spread
> their monopolies and continue to rid the spectrum of the
> unworthy (the mom and pops; or make them unhearable) all in
> the name of 4 or 5 more interference hashing channels?
> Whatever. It's called GREED. I'll never buy into this crap
> service. It was an idea turned bad as it progressed because
> their design turned to selfish greed. It was a 'just get it
> done' decision to be able to complete with XM & Sirius
> (which IBOC can not successfully do). Plain bad engineering
> (and the big boys screeeeeammmed about all of the
> interference that LPFM would do to the dial? A smokescreen.
> Well that's another story).
>
> I've been told that IBOC is not written in stone yet and
> that TI's DRE manufacturers are planning and gearing up for
> a major war. I was told this by someone from a major Radio
> Trade Magazine. A station can still have multiple channels
> with their system, as I understand it, not cause co-channel
> hash and be able to upgrade using their same facilities
> (transmitter/antenna) for around $2500. Oh, and DRE does
> not want 3% of the revenue that the station produces on
> their secondary channel(s) like iBiquity wants. See
http://focus.ti.com/docs/general/spl> ashdsp.jhtml?&path=templatedata/cm/splashdsp/data/dri300_350
> (watch the wrap) for more info on the DRE system.
>
> Once internet radio is made available to cars the radio
> landscape will completely change and IBOC will only be a
> memory. I understand that Motorola is introducing a service
> (iRadio) in markets that will provide 435 music channels
> available via the air thru a cellular phone which uses
> Bluetooth technology. See
http://www.> motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,,6260_6215_23,00.html
> and see http://broadband.motorola.com/iradio/
>
> Not to worry about 107.9. It's not dead yet and we don't
> think it will happen. The owners of 107.9, WIOK & Education
> Media are fighting the move. We feel that Educational Media
> will win the allocation with a new station resulting south
> of us on a different channel which would kill the move
> completely and keep WRHX & WIOK where they are. Oh and just
> in case it does happen, I'm a man with a plan, so not to
> worry. ClassX will be around one way or another.
>
> BTW, ClassX is doing very very well, thank you. Have you
> heard how many sponsors we have? Sales have been going very
> well. We do have limited coverage but 'we do' have coverage
> and people are loving us. We hope to add live announcers
> later this year. Those interested in air slots or marketing
> positions can contact me directly at [email protected]. We
> have unpaid/volunteer air positions available right now.
>
> Oh and who is Tito?
>
 
Re: More blah, blah, blah

> Your long technical rant was boring.
>
> IBOC on FM is here and it's been running so why haven't I
> noticed ANY interfernece? The four CC FMs have been running
> it for a while now.
>
> I understand that AM IBOC is a nightmare, so it needs work.
>
> As for the LPFMs, I really don't care. It doesn't matter if
> WIOK is being forced to move or not. If they move, where
> does that leave 107.9? I just find it interesting that
> someone who flaunted the FCC with his pirate Free Radio
> station in the 90s running substantial power is suddenly so
> concerned with FM interference.
>
Oscar,

You probably didn't notice any interference because you don't know what it is.

Your unconcerned, uneducated and childish response was expected. The owners of 107.9 have plans which won't be disclosed until such a time 107.9 is forced to move.

If you don't think FM IBOC interferes with side channels then look around on the web. The recordings and engineer findings are out there to prove that IBOC FM bothers other channels. The FCC has even admitted this.

My 1990's flaunting FCC rules with your so called 'substantial power' (95 watts) help lead to a victorius change in them (FCC rules). What efforts have you made?

As a side note it is interesting that the Chief of Jacor engineering at the time of my so called pirate days stopped by my house at the time and I allowed him to take measurements that he confirmed were extremely clean and would not bother anyone.

Oscar you can go back to sleep now.
<P ID="signature">______________
Bill Spry

</P>
 
Bill, you can wake up now

I'm sure other engineers could come up with long diatribes like yours about anything. I don't think WUBE's or WPFB's engineers felt that your transmissions "didn't bother anyone." I'm also sure the FCC changed its rules for you. LPFM didn't start with you.

As for IBOC interference, if the average listener doesn't notice, what's the harm? Is there signal degradation? Audio fallout? Is this some minor engineering bogus nonsense that doesn't harm anything? What is it? Why hasn't one thing been posted on this board about the sudden problem someone's having with interference on FM? I've read plenty about AM splatter, but on all of these boards that I peruse, I haven't read ONE thing about FM problems.

As for the Motorola deal. You know that that's a partnership with Clear Channel, right? OW! The devil himself!

Unconcerned? I'm very concerned about the future of the broadcasting business. Maybe we can have Leonard Kahn sue everyone and kill the business like he helped kill AM stereo.

Uneducated? I'm educated in the BUSINESS of radio and broadcasting. I don't want to hear the petty nonsense arguments from someone who thinks he knows better than the top engineers at the top companies in the industry.

Childish? Give me a break. You have a big credibility problem.

The industry is trying to save itself. Your future is in protecting the tiny little slivers of audience that your LPFMs have. IBOC is a threat to you. Isn't that your real motivation?<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Oscar on 01/21/06 07:06 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Bill, you can wake up now

> I'm sure other engineers could come up with long diatribes
> like yours about anything. I don't think WUBE's or WPFB's
> engineers felt that your transmissions "didn't bother
> anyone." I'm also sure the FCC changed its rules for you.
> LPFM didn't start with you.

No Da. Didn't say that it did.

>
> As for IBOC interference, if the average listener doesn't
> notice, what's the harm? Is there signal degradation? Audio
> fallout? Is this some minor engineering bogus nonsense that
> doesn't harm anything? What is it? Why hasn't one thing
> been posted on this board about the sudden problem someone's
> having with interference on FM?

Because this is not a technical board???

I've read plenty about AM
> splatter, but on all of these boards that I peruse, I
> haven't read ONE thing about FM problems.

IBOC FM kills the fringe on existing first adjacent analog stations. Start by going to Broadcast.net and joining one of their technical list groups where some of the top broadcasts engineers outside of iBiquity have been debating this very issue for nearly 2 years. This past 2 weeks there has been some great reading.

>
> As for the Motorola deal. You know that that's a
> partnership with Clear Channel, right? OW! The devil
> himself!

I didn't say it, you did. But at least they are not technically bothering other channels with iRadio. So I'm all for it.

>
> Unconcerned? I'm very concerned about the future of the
> broadcasting business. Maybe we can have Leonard Kahn sue
> everyone and kill the business like he helped kill AM
> stereo.
>
> Uneducated? I'm educated in the BUSINESS of radio and
> broadcasting. I don't want to hear the petty nonsense
> arguments from someone who thinks he knows better than the
> top engineers at the top companies in the industry.

No, the info I got WAS from some of the top engineers in the Industry, but outside of iBiquity.


>
> Childish? Give me a break. You have a big credibility
> problem.

Yes, childish. You are still hung up on my 8 year old past. I did it for a reason. To make a point and do what I felt was my part to help stimulate a rule change all because I believed in it. I stood up and it worked! People inside and outside the industry still talk about it and thank me for it.

Can't you get over it? I did. Life goes on..., it really does. Can we please move on....

I'm in the business as well and successful. I consult stations all over the country and provide programming for several thru my networks. The folks would 'big time' disagree with you on my credibility. I've helped many. Over half of the engineers in radio have gone "illegal" at some point. Didn't WEBN start out that way? Oh, and Clear Channel owns them. Hmmm. There's that Credibility again.

>
> The industry is trying to save itself. Your future is in
> protecting the tiny little slivers of audience that your
> LPFMs have. IBOC is a threat to you. Isn't that your real
> motivation?

Not at all. I don't own any stations. Just Manage them. If they shut down, my Radio Biz continues.

I'm all for a digital system that makes good technical sense. My forthcoming full power in Cincinnati would gladly adopt a system like that, if it makes technical sense. Having 2 or 3 channels for the price of one is awesome. Let's just do it right.<P ID="signature">______________
Bill Spry

</P>
 
This has been fun

I suspect that if there were interference or technical problems on FM and listeners noticed, it would have been posted here. Someone would be wondering why a station is suddenly unlistenable.

As for your past, I really don't care. I'm sure you're a hero to some. You still haven't proven to me that you have a grasp of what radio is facing. As you stated, your livelihood isn't tied to it. I think there's your credibility gap. It doesn't matter to you whether this gets off the ground or not.

By the way, I remember when WEBN was a "pirate." I don't think anybody noticed or even cared. Wasn't WSAI-AM getting a 40% share then? How much did anybody even have invested in FM at that time to notice? Great analogy.

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Oscar on 01/21/06 09:32 PM.</FONT></P>
 
By the way

By the way, I see that your "forthcoming" full power in "Cincinnati" has been in the Application stage since 1999. According to the FCC map, the service contour doesn't even get into the city. Maybe Community Public Radio's Application for the channel right next to yours will win out. They seemed to have a slightly better contour.
 
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