Hey Comcast - Uhh Would You Please.....

[JeeperOne]

.....Consider adding the ACTUAL HD feeds of ThisTV (KWGN 2.2 here in Denver), MeTV (KTVD 20.2) & AntennaTV (KDVR 31.2) to the HD lineup instead of just the 24x/25x (And now 26x) channel region? I'm sure you can find A FEW places (And the bandwidth) for them.....

I ask this because now that I have an HDTV (Albeit only a 26"), it's ANNOYING to see that when I click the INFO button on the TV remote, I see that it's only in 480i SD @ 16:9 ASR when in fact you've got cable channels doing full 1080i HD @ 16:9 ASR

Then too, I suppose it doesn't help that I get the same thing OTA when I did a rescan for new receivable channels recently (I did that when my mom, who only lives in the apartment next to mine, got an HDTV & was getting channels my TV didn't even detect when I first did a scan. After the rescan, I now get EVERYTHING except KWGN 2.1 & 2.2 & *PERHAPS* KCDO 3, who is riding piggyback on another channel for a psuedo "HD" feed)

Cheers & 73

 

[mgsports]

Digital Sub Channels are only in SD.

 

[tripinva]

Er, SD subchannels are only available in SD.

- Trip

 

[KML0224]

ThisTV is not in HD. It's also 4:3 SD on WCCT-TV 20-2 of Waterbury, CT, both over-the-air and cable.

 

[dave73]

.....Consider adding the ACTUAL HD feeds of ThisTV (KWGN 2.2 here in Denver), MeTV (KTVD 20.2) & AntennaTV (KDVR 31.2) to the HD lineup instead of just the 24x/25x (And now 26x) channel region? I'm sure you can find A FEW places (And the bandwidth) for them.....

I ask this because now that I have an HDTV (Albeit only a 26"), it's ANNOYING to see that when I click the INFO button on the TV remote, I see that it's only in 480i SD @ 16:9 ASR when in fact you've got cable channels doing full 1080i HD @ 16:9 ASR

Then too, I suppose it doesn't help that I get the same thing OTA when I did a rescan for new receivable channels recently (I did that when my mom, who only lives in the apartment next to mine, got an HDTV & was getting channels my TV didn't even detect when I first did a scan. After the rescan, I now get EVERYTHING except KWGN 2.1 & 2.2 & *PERHAPS* KCDO 3, who is riding piggyback on another channel for a psuedo "HD" feed)

Cheers & 73

Weigel Broadcasting only makes This TV & MeTV available in 4:3. So no station will have either of those networks in 16:9 or in HD. The only diginetwork that is available in HD is Livewell Network. ABC runs it in 720p HD & has it in HD on their O&O stations, but stations outside of the 8 ABC O&O stations choose to run it in SD, either in 4:3 or 16:9. Even Antenna TV is 4:3 SD. Overtime, some diginetworks might go 16:9, but the current MPEG2 compression used in the ATSC standard won't easily allow dual HD, nor easily allow multiple subchannels. Typically, it's gonna be the main channel that will be HD (either 720p or 1080i), while the subchannels will almost always be SD (typically 4:3, but some run 16:9 SD too). I wish WTTW in Chicago made WTTW Prime in 16:9 SD instead of 4:3 SD, since the bulk of their programming on WTTW Prime is in 16:9. WYIN Gary, IN (PBS) & WMAQ-TV Chicago (NBC) are the only 2 Chicagoland stations that do 16:9 SD.

 

[JeeperOne]

Weigel Broadcasting only makes This TV & MeTV available in 4:3. So no station will have either of those networks in 16:9 or in HD.

That's a shame

The only diginetwork that is available in HD is Livewell Network.

Which I fully anticipate KMGH to pick up as a replacement to TheCool TV, which is now carried on a local LP

ABC runs it in 720p HD & has it in HD on their O&O stations, but stations outside of the 8 ABC O&O stations choose to run it in SD, either in 4:3 or 16:9.

I'm fairly certain that if KMGH picks up the Livewell Network, they'll do so in 16:9 HD once sibling KZCO 27 has its own seperate DTV setup & is no longer riding piggyback off of big daddy KMGH 7

but the current MPEG2 compression used in the ATSC standard won't easily allow dual HD, nor easily allow multiple subchannels.

It won't even allow for anything past 480i in NTSC format standards either as I quickly discovered while burning some videos onto DVD discs (Wanted to do 1080i since my TV will decode video at that screen resolution but apparently the MPEG-2 codec isn't capable of ENCODING at that screen resolution though)

Typically, it's gonna be the main channel that will be HD (either 720p or 1080i), while the subchannels will almost always be SD (typically 4:3, but some run 16:9 SD too).

Here in Denver, that is the case. In fact, I think only Indie KCDO 3 is sent to us by Comcast at 480i 4:3. Looks great on Channel 3 (Which is the general area where all the locals are) BUT it looks HORRIBLE on Channel 649 (The channel set aside for the so-called "HD" feed is). Looks like they use what I like to call SQUEEZE-O-VISION (Or SQUISH-O-VISION as it were) !!! I say that because while the top & bottom are OK, the left & right sides of the screen look like they're being SQUEEZED (Or squished) together. Either way, it looks AWFUL !!!

Cheers & 73

 

[JeeperOne]

.....Consider adding the HD feeds to the C-SPAN channels. I mean C-SPAN DOES offer it. So why not carry it? (We only get the SD feeds here in Denver)

Cheers & 73

 

[tripinva]

The only diginetwork that is available in HD is Livewell Network.

TNN is also available in HD, though the affiliates are encouraged to run it in 16:9 480i over the air if they already have an HD channel. The HD can be fed directly to the cable companies by fiber.

ABC runs it in 720p HD & has it in HD on their O&O stations, but stations outside of the 8 ABC O&O stations choose to run it in SD, either in 4:3 or 16:9.

I'm fairly certain that if KMGH picks up the Livewell Network, they'll do so in 16:9 HD once sibling KZCO 27 has its own seperate DTV setup & is no longer riding piggyback off of big daddy KMGH 7

I'm fairly certain you're wrong. Nobody outside the ABC O&Os is running it in HD. Additionally, KMGH is using the KZCO UHF signal to help people who have problems with VHF reception, so I don't expect to see that simulcast broken for the foreseeable future. I would expect to see Live Well appear in SD, whether widescreen or letterboxed, on 7-3.

but the current MPEG2 compression used in the ATSC standard won't easily allow dual HD, nor easily allow multiple subchannels.

It won't even allow for anything past 480i in NTSC format standards either as I quickly discovered while burning some videos onto DVD discs (Wanted to do 1080i since my TV will decode video at that screen resolution but apparently the MPEG-2 codec isn't capable of ENCODING at that screen resolution though)

DVDs only support 480i or 480p. MPEG-2 supports 1080i, but the DVD standard, created more than 10 years ago, only supports 480p.

Typically, it's gonna be the main channel that will be HD (either 720p or 1080i), while the subchannels will almost always be SD (typically 4:3, but some run 16:9 SD too).

Here in Denver, that is the case. In fact, I think only Indie KCDO 3 is sent to us by Comcast at 480i 4:3. Looks great on Channel 3 (Which is the general area where all the locals are) BUT it looks HORRIBLE on Channel 649 (The channel set aside for the so-called "HD" feed is). Looks like they use what I like to call SQUEEZE-O-VISION (Or SQUISH-O-VISION as it were) !!! I say that because while the top & bottom are OK, the left & right sides of the screen look like they're being SQUEEZED (Or squished) together. Either way, it looks AWFUL !!!

Cheers & 73

Pretty sure KCDO is also not provided in HD.

- Trip

 

[JeeperOne]

ABC runs it in 720p HD & has it in HD on their O&O stations, but stations outside of the 8 ABC O&O stations choose to run it in SD, either in 4:3 or 16:9.

I'm fairly certain that if KMGH picks up the Livewell Network, they'll do so in 16:9 HD once sibling KZCO 27 has its own seperate DTV setup & is no longer riding piggyback off of big daddy KMGH 7

I'm fairly certain you're wrong. Nobody outside the ABC O&Os is running it in HD. Additionally, KMGH is using the KZCO UHF signal to help people who have problems with VHF reception, so I don't expect to see that simulcast broken for the foreseeable future. I would expect to see Live Well appear in SD, whether widescreen or letterboxed, on 7-3.

7.3 is being used for their NewsChannel 247 service (Which until earlier this year had only been available via cable on (You guessed it) Comcast Cable Channel 247) so putting Livewell (Or any other diginet for that matter) is not an option (Nor is it very likely since it simulcasts 7.1 during local newscasts too)

However 7.2 would be likely once KZCO has its own DTV equipment to broadcast from (As an LP that's also owned by Scripps Howard, they're currently using KMGH for HD bandwith)

but the current MPEG2 compression used in the ATSC standard won't easily allow dual HD, nor easily allow multiple subchannels.

It won't even allow for anything past 480i in NTSC format standards either as I quickly discovered while burning some videos onto DVD discs (Wanted to do 1080i since my TV will decode video at that screen resolution but apparently the MPEG-2 codec isn't capable of ENCODING at that screen resolution though)

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DVDs only support 480i or 480p. MPEG-2 supports 1080i, but the DVD standard, created more than 10 years ago, only supports 480p.[/quote]I think this is more of a player & disc issue rather than a codec issue because my computer has little to no problem at all in playing a video encoded in 1080i MPEG-2 off of a Hard Drive. If it was a codec issue, my computer wouldn't be able to play it no matter where/how it was stored (I have a Windows 8 machine)

That said though, I do try to use the 16:9 ASR since that minimizes the problems with pixelation over my new TV screen which old Classic TV stuff downloaded from the Internet Archive would cause if a 4:3 ASR was used instead (Besides, it just looks nicer anyway. More modern too ;D )

Typically, it's gonna be the main channel that will be HD (either 720p or 1080i), while the subchannels will almost always be SD (typically 4:3, but some run 16:9 SD too).

Here in Denver, that is the case. In fact, I think only Indie KCDO 3 is sent to us by Comcast at 480i 4:3. Looks great on Channel 3 (Which is the general area where all the locals are) BUT it looks HORRIBLE on Channel 649 (The channel set aside for the so-called "HD" feed is). Looks like they use what I like to call SQUEEZE-O-VISION (Or SQUISH-O-VISION as it were) !!! I say that because while the top & bottom are OK, the left & right sides of the screen look like they're being SQUEEZED (Or squished) together. Either way, it looks AWFUL !!!

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Pretty sure KCDO is also not provided in HD.[/quote]I would tend to agree. KCDO is probably one channel I'm just gonna hafta deal with watching Star Trek & Dog The Bounty Hunter right on Cable Channel 3 rather than 649 (Which is the channel set aside for it in the HD package)

Cheers & 73

 

[mgsports]

Add Internet TV Apps meaning local Channels from other Comcast Cities that have an App so if I wanted watched Orlando on my TV I could like Myfoxorlando besides my locals from KC like KSHB/KCTV5.

 

[sdwulfdawg]

Directv is still showing KFMB (CBS) 8 and KSWB (Fox) 5/69 in Stretch-O-Vision and Smash-O-Vision for my SD sets. That's when i turn to my over-the-air antenna and rather watch the program letterboxed for SD.

 

[JeeperOne]

Add Internet TV Apps meaning local Channels from other Comcast Cities that have an App so if I wanted watched Orlando on my TV I could like Myfoxorlando besides my locals from KC like KSHB/KCTV5.

Not legally possible as there are copyright restrictions (Among other issues) that forbid this sort of thing

Besides, put yourself in the boots of the local TV stations, if YOU ran one of the Orlando locals (Such as WOFL 35 for instance), would YOU want people from (For example Kansas City, MO) watching your station from SOME OTHER SOURCE besides the one you have on your website? Somehow I think not.....

Cheers & 73

 

[mgsports]

On like KSHB,Tampa Bay Channels they have Videos of stories that they showed on Air and Online they could live Stream of their Newscast and other Local Shows or lets say your at a Hotel or so on that doesn't get all local Channels you could bring Roku or Boxee or so on to pick the missing local station.

 

[tripinva]

7.3 is being used for their NewsChannel 247 service (Which until earlier this year had only been available via cable on (You guessed it) Comcast Cable Channel 247) so putting Livewell (Or any other diginet for that matter) is not an option (Nor is it very likely since it simulcasts 7.1 during local newscasts too)

No, 24/7 is on 7-4. 7-3 is currently empty. Live Well will go there.

However 7.2 would be likely once KZCO has its own DTV equipment to broadcast from (As an LP that's also owned by Scripps Howard, they're currently using KMGH for HD bandwith)

I sincerely doubt KZCO will be removed from 7-2 in the foreseeable future.

I think this is more of a player & disc issue rather than a codec issue because my computer has little to no problem at all in playing a video encoded in 1080i MPEG-2 off of a Hard Drive. If it was a codec issue, my computer wouldn't be able to play it no matter where/how it was stored (I have a Windows 8 machine)

Correct.

That said though, I do try to use the 16:9 ASR since that minimizes the problems with pixelation over my new TV screen which old Classic TV stuff downloaded from the Internet Archive would cause if a 4:3 ASR was used instead (Besides, it just looks nicer anyway. More modern too ;D )

If you're watching 4:3 content in 16:9, you're either cropping the top and bottom, or stretching it. So you either you lose part of the screen or distort the picture.

- Trip