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Historic FM Antenna for sale

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A 6 (six) Bay "Clover-leaf" FM antenna -- tuned to 102.3, the first FM antenna used by KFOX-FM in Long beach, sits in a vacant field at 220 East Anahiem St., just west of Long Beach Blvd --in downtown Long Beach. Contact the City Redevelopment agency.
 
This is part of the old KFOX 1280 T-wire antenna built back in the 1920's. They tore down one of the towers in the early 70's because it was hazard.

Read about the KFOX history here:

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/5515/kfox.html

I actually have home movies taken in the mid-60's of KFOX when it was broadcasting from the Anaheim Street location. It's sad to see such a historic station demolished--but progress has no eye for sentiment.

C5
 
Carimine, do you have any film of great KFOX jocks Charlie Williams, Lee Ross or Jerry Mars ? In the summer of 1964 Steve Sands and I showed up at 2 in the morning at the old studios. Hugh Cherry buzzed us in and we got to see the operation. He told us "don't get into radio": sell vacuum cleaners ! We didn't take his advice. Hugh had been a jock in Shrevport, La. His first California job landed him mornings at 1450 KPAL Palm Springs in 1959. Those studios, still standing but moved long ago, were in a hotel next door to where I live now. That FM antenna also served KJLH after KFOX moved to 100.3. In 1965 I did a fill in shift on KJLH when they still used that site. I was full time on 105.5 at the time.
 
JON BRUCE said:
Carimine, do you have any film of great KFOX jocks Charlie Williams, Lee Ross or Jerry Mars ? In the summer of 1964 Steve Sands and I showed up at 2 in the morning at the old studios. Hugh Cherry buzzed us in and we got to see the operation. He told us "don't get into radio": sell vacuum cleaners ! We didn't take his advice. Hugh had been a jock in Shrevport, La. His first California job landed him mornings at 1450 KPAL Palm Springs in 1959. Those studios, still standing but moved long ago, were in a hotel next door to where I live now. That FM antenna also served KJLH after KFOX moved to 100.3. In 1965 I did a fill in shift on KJLH when they still used that site. I was full time on 105.5 at the time.

The footage was taken in the summer of '67. I was 14 and living in Belmont Shore at the time.

I do have a shot of one of the KFOX jocks talking on-air (although the film itself is silent). I remember shooting it on a weekday early afternoon but I don't know the dj's name.

Do you remember who had that shift at the time? At some point, I'll transfer the film over to digital and onto DVD.

C5
 
sam said:
A 6 (six) Bay "Clover-leaf" FM antenna -- tuned to 102.3, the first FM antenna used by KFOX-FM in Long beach, sits in a vacant field at 220 East Anahiem St., just west of Long Beach Blvd --in downtown Long Beach. Contact the City Redevelopment agency.

Considering how many tower sites have been striped, I am surprised that illegals have not already taken it and sold it off for scrap metal.
 
Kabrich said:
Considering how many tower sites have been striped, I am surprised that illegals have not already taken it and sold it off for scrap metal.

Why would it have to be only illegals?
 
DavidEduardo said:
Kabrich said:
Considering how many tower sites have been striped, I am surprised that illegals have not already taken it and sold it off for scrap metal.

Why would it have to be only illegals?

Doesn't have to be an (illegal) thief however in any event the scrap dealer that buys it will be Armenian. There I've done my politically incorrect duty for today. ;D

Actually FM antennae are usually aluminum, or stainless steel, it is copper that is selling high now.
 
I think Biff Collie's afternoon drive show started at 1pm. It might be him. Lee "the hoss" Ross most likely was still doing 10am-1pm at that time.
 
nmoore6676 said:
Almost all FM antennae are copper as is the transmission line, which is worth much more than the antenna.

The only aluminum FM elements I have seen were in the 60's outside the US; I even built one out of door frame and plumbing parts for an FM I owned. Never have I seen one made of stainless steel.

Towers, short ones, may be made of aluminum, galvanized tubing or bar steel, or stainless steel. Stainless is expensive, and since the tower will generallyhave to be painted anyway, overkill.
 
DavidEduardo said:
nmoore6676 said:
Almost all FM antennae are copper as is the transmission line, which is worth much more than the antenna.

The only aluminum FM elements I have seen were in the 60's outside the US; I even built one out of door frame and plumbing parts for an FM I owned. Never have I seen one made of stainless steel.

Towers, short ones, may be made of aluminum, galvanized tubing or bar steel, or stainless steel. Stainless is expensive, and since the tower will generallyhave to be painted anyway, overkill.

Actually, David, in my career in radio, cable TV, and as a former Ham Radio operator, towers are hardly ever made of aluminum as aluminum of sufficient tensile strength would be very expensive. Towers and support poles are almost always steel or galvanized steel. Some towers designed to not require painting may be stainless or for areas where corrosion is a severe problem.

In my entry which you quoted I was referring to the actual antenna, but from the satellite shot it does appear that there are tower segments there. They would almost certainly be steel if they were supporting the original “T” antenna system. Scrap buyers do buy steel but it doesn't sell as high as copper. What thieves do take from radio sites are the copper ground systems and coaxial cable. Several radio stations have had this problem in the last couple of years. Also telephone and power companies are victims and as a result aluminum is being used more for high tension lines. Aluminum doesn’t work for telephone lines well enough to justify using it because it oxidizes and would result in noisy connections at junctions and splices.
 
nmoore6676 said:
Actually, David, in my career in radio, cable TV, and as a former Ham Radio operator, towers are hardly ever made of aluminum as aluminum of sufficient tensile strength would be very expensive. Towers and support poles are almost always steel or galvanized steel. Some towers designed to not require painting may be stainless or for areas where corrosion is a severe problem.

I put up many an AM on the high end of the dial with aluminum towers, some as high as 100 meters. Low maintenance, good earthquake resistence and low cost. I've seen qute a few on frequencies above 1300 in the US, too, including monopoles that look like windmill towers. Not that common, but certainly an option, particularly those under 200 feet that are allowed to remain unpainted.

In my entry which you quoted I was referring to the actual antenna, but from the satellite shot it does appear that there are tower segments there. They would almost certainly be steel if they were supporting the original “T” antenna system.

That's an AM system. A Flattop or T is a center fed horizontal where the feed does most of the work and the top section is essentially another form of top loading.

Scrap buyers do buy steel but it doesn't sell as high as copper. What thieves do take from radio sites are the copper ground systems and coaxial cable. Several radio stations have had this problem in the last couple of years.

A solution for that is to use Copperweld, which is steel wire with a copper coating. Stronger and cheaper, and effective if posted with an explantion even the terminally dumb can understand. I used that for a half dozen ground systems in the 60s in a place where real copper would not have lasted a month.
 
JON BRUCE said:
I think Biff Collie's afternoon drive show started at 1pm. It might be him. Lee "the hoss" Ross most likely was still doing 10am-1pm at that time.

The name Lee Ross sounds very familiar. It could have been him.

I remember someone on the staff saying that they weren't actually transmitting their AM signal from Anaheim Street. But they did have a back up transmitter (I have a shot of it) and could transmit there in an emergency.

Perhaps, by then, they were transmitting at the Pick-Ur-Part junk yard in San Pedro, which is where the 1280 KFRN towers are now.

C5
 
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