HMM? I thought CBS Owns "the WAVE Brand"

[recto101]

http://www.hawaiiswave.com/

http://formatchange.com/the-wave-hawaii-debuts/

I noticed this Wave is more CHR leaning and KIIS-FM leaning. But CBS has 94.7 FM as Soft AC.

 

[LKellerIII]

How do you know it's not owned by CBS? Back in the 80s, a Marin County station (KTIM) switched from album rock to Smooth Jazz, and called itself "The Wave." The owners of KTWV (perhaps before CBS ownership) threatened to sue KTIM, and the station was quickly re-branded "The Tide." So it does make sense that CBS owns the brand.

There was later another short-lived station called The Wave (93.3 FM) in San Francisco in the 90s, but it was a CBS property.

 

[recto101]

How do you know it's not owned by CBS? Back in the 80s, a Marin County station (KTIM) switched from album rock to Smooth Jazz, and called itself "The Wave." The owners of KTWV (perhaps before CBS ownership) threatened to sue KTIM, and the station was quickly re-branded "The Tide." So it does make sense that CBS owns the brand.

There was later another short-lived station called The Wave (93.3 FM) in San Francisco in the 90s, but it was a CBS property.

I don't I was wondering who has ownership of "Wave Hawaii" I know CBS has gotten the Wave Brand from Westinghouse Inc(There was a 1990-1991 KTWV aircheck that said, "For Music listen 94.7FM, For Gulf War(aka Iraq War I) Coverage listen to KFWB 980." I know in the late 1980's in one aircheck it said that KTWV was owned by Metropolitan Broadcasting and it was that owner that said that "The Wave is an exclusive Brand" for KTWV and Smooth Jazz (NAC/Smooth AC) that want to franchise "The Wave" in their market would have to contact KTWV for approval. I heard of one case where a religious station in San Diego back in the 1990's had some approval to use the WAVE at one time.

I guess its like the KIIS-FM Brand that's used on some of Clear Channel O&O's. In some places its CHR like KIIS-FM LA and KIIS XM. In some Places KISS-FM brand would be Motown and Oldies like KISQ San Francisco. But they all had various owners before CC ran them.

 

[LKellerIII]

How do you know it's not owned by CBS? Back in the 80s, a Marin County station (KTIM) switched from album rock to Smooth Jazz, and called itself "The Wave." The owners of KTWV (perhaps before CBS ownership) threatened to sue KTIM, and the station was quickly re-branded "The Tide." So it does make sense that CBS owns the brand.

There was later another short-lived station called The Wave (93.3 FM) in San Francisco in the 90s, but it was a CBS property.

I don't I was wondering who has ownership of "Wave Hawaii" I know CBS has gotten the Wave Brand from Westinghouse Inc(There was a 1990-1991 KTWV aircheck that said, "For Music listen 94.7FM, For Gulf War(aka Iraq War I) Coverage listen to KFWB 980." I know in the late 1980's in one aircheck it said that KTWV was owned by Metropolitan Broadcasting and it was that owner that said that "The Wave is an exclusive Brand" for KTWV and Smooth Jazz (NAC/Smooth AC) that want to franchise "The Wave" in their market would have to contact KTWV for approval. I heard of one case where a religious station in San Diego back in the 1990's had some approval to use the WAVE at one time.

I guess its like the KIIS-FM Brand that's used on some of Clear Channel O&O's. In some places its CHR like KIIS-FM LA and KIIS XM. In some Places KISS-FM brand would be Motown and Oldies like KISQ San Francisco. But they all had various owners before CC ran them.

I believe there are still a few non-CC "Kiss-FMs," but they probably branded before CC bought KIIS. There is even a "Kiss-FM" in France. Shouldn't it be "Bisou-FM?"

These brand names tend to be flexible as to format, and don't necessarily mean the same format in every market.

 

[davideduardo]

I know in the late 1980's in one aircheck it said that KTWV was owned by Metropolitan Broadcasting and it was that owner that said that "The Wave is an exclusive Brand" for KTWV and Smooth Jazz (NAC/Smooth AC) that want to franchise "The Wave" in their market would have to contact KTWV for approval.

"The Wave" and the new age - smooth jazz format were developed by Frank Cody, Owen Leach and others for MetroMedia's KMET in Los Angeles, one of the few surviving progressive stations in the mid-80's. A new format was needed, and what was to be called, later, smooth jazz, was first done on KTWV, the new calls for KMET.

Interestingly, Owen Leach wanted to use the format on a non-MetroMedia and non Westinghouse station in Chicage. They came up with the "smooth jazz" descriptive name from listener interviews and used it on WNUA.

I guess its like the KIIS-FM Brand that's used on some of Clear Channel O&O's. In some places its CHR like KIIS-FM LA and KIIS XM. In some Places KISS-FM brand would be Motown and Oldies like KISQ San Francisco. But they all had various owners before CC ran them.

Clear Channel owns the service mark for Kiss for radio stations. A few prior-use stations were grandfathered, and others that are not owned by Clear pay a licensing fee.

Kiss is a station name, not specific to one format.

 

[Bryan Simmons]

I know in the late 1980's in one aircheck it said that KTWV was owned by Metropolitan Broadcasting and it was that owner that said that "The Wave is an exclusive Brand" for KTWV and Smooth Jazz (NAC/Smooth AC) that want to franchise "The Wave" in their market would have to contact KTWV for approval.

"The Wave" and the new age - smooth jazz format were developed by Frank Cody, Owen Leach and others for MetroMedia's KMET in Los Angeles, one of the few surviving progressive stations in the mid-80's. A new format was needed, and what was to be called, later, smooth jazz, was first done on KTWV, the new calls for KMET.

Interestingly, Owen Leach wanted to use the format on a non-MetroMedia and non Westinghouse station in Chicage. They came up with the "smooth jazz" descriptive name from listener interviews and used it on WNUA.

I guess its like the KIIS-FM Brand that's used on some of Clear Channel O&O's. In some places its CHR like KIIS-FM LA and KIIS XM. In some Places KISS-FM brand would be Motown and Oldies like KISQ San Francisco. But they all had various owners before CC ran them.

Clear Channel owns the service mark for Kiss for radio stations. A few prior-use stations were grandfathered, and others that are not owned by Clear pay a licensing fee.

Kiss is a station name, not specific to one format.

I always wondered if KIIS or Kiss was service marked before CC owned them? I doubt Gannett would've done it, but perhaps Jacor. I suppose I could've found out when I worked in the building, but it never came up. Lot's of Kiss' out there. I'm on a Kiss in Mississippi for a network Hot AC Channel. For some reason it always feels strange to say it with a different frequency attached to it. Then again, I can't tell you how many Star's and Q's I'm on. Heck, I'm even on a station in Florida that uses The Coast as it's name. Sometimes it's not the station logo that gets service marked, it's a slogan that gets the honors.

 

[Thomps2525]

The "KISS" franchise began in Los Angeles in 1970, when the Foursquare Gospel Church sold KRKD-1150. The station changed call letters to KIIS---the "IIS" resembled the dial position, 115---and played soft rock format for a while before switching to top 40. In 1975, top-40 KKDJ-102.7 became KIIS-FM. The "Kiss" name wasn't used at first; the two stations, which simulcast during half of each day, were known as "K-Double-I-S."

By the way, this is my first post here. (I'll pause while everyone says "Who cares?" And yes, I stole that line from Jack Benny.) For the past nine years, I wrote the daily radio history, music trivia and celebrity birthday bios for Don Barrett's LARadio.com site. Barrett, whose lengthy radio career included managing KIQQ (K-100) in the mid-1970s, got married last month and now has other job offers pending. As of today, November 8, 2012, the site has been shut down (except for the archives). I'm guessing that a lot of people here were regular visitors there.

 

[Dick Skinner]

Susquehanna owned The Wave at 102.5 FM in Tampa Bay in the late '80s and early '90s. It was licensed to Sarasota. I'm not so sure CBS owns the rights to "The Wave." Maybe only in CA?

 

[calguy]

The "KISS" franchise began in Los Angeles in 1970, when the Foursquare Gospel Church sold KRKD-1150. The station changed call letters to KIIS---the "IIS" resembled the dial position, 115---and played soft rock format for a while before switching to top 40. In 1975, top-40 KKDJ-102.7 became KIIS-FM. The "Kiss" name wasn't used at first; the two stations, which simulcast during half of each day, were known as "K-Double-I-S."

By the way, this is my first post here. (I'll pause while everyone says "Who cares?" And yes, I stole that line from Jack Benny.) For the past nine years, I wrote the daily radio history, music trivia and celebrity birthday bios for Don Barrett's LARadio.com site. Barrett, whose lengthy radio career included managing KIQQ (K-100) in the mid-1970s, got married last month and now has other job offers pending. As of today, November 8, 2012, the site has been shut down (except for the archives). I'm guessing that a lot of people here were regular visitors there.

Ha! I thought he made some cryptic comment in his last update. Near the bottom. So he finally pulled the trigger. He threatened to every year and actually seemed to quite twice this year. No fanfare this time...

 

[Kent]

Susquehanna owned The Wave at 102.5 FM in Tampa Bay in the late '80s and early '90s. It was licensed to Sarasota. I'm not so sure CBS owns the rights to "The Wave." Maybe only in CA?

I'm not sure who, if anyone, owns the rights to "The Wave." The name has been used on stations all over, and it's still a fairly common name. It's also on a variety of different formats.

 

[Kent]

The "KISS" franchise began in Los Angeles in 1970, when the Foursquare Gospel Church sold KRKD-1150. The station changed call letters to KIIS---the "IIS" resembled the dial position, 115---and played soft rock format for a while before switching to top 40. In 1975, top-40 KKDJ-102.7 became KIIS-FM. The "Kiss" name wasn't used at first; the two stations, which simulcast during half of each day, were known as "K-Double-I-S."

If I remember correctly, the "Kiss" name didn't start until '77 or '78. WKYS 93.9 in Washington DC was using the "Kiss" name roughly 10 years earlier when it had a beautiful music format, and San Antonio's KISS had been using the name since it signed on in 1948.

 

[LKellerIII]

The "KISS" franchise began in Los Angeles in 1970, when the Foursquare Gospel Church sold KRKD-1150. The station changed call letters to KIIS---the "IIS" resembled the dial position, 115---and played soft rock format for a while before switching to top 40. In 1975, top-40 KKDJ-102.7 became KIIS-FM. The "Kiss" name wasn't used at first; the two stations, which simulcast during half of each day, were known as "K-Double-I-S."

By the way, this is my first post here. (I'll pause while everyone says "Who cares?" And yes, I stole that line from Jack Benny.) For the past nine years, I wrote the daily radio history, music trivia and celebrity birthday bios for Don Barrett's LARadio.com site. Barrett, whose lengthy radio career included managing KIQQ (K-100) in the mid-1970s, got married last month and now has other job offers pending. As of today, November 8, 2012, the site has been shut down (except for the archives). I'm guessing that a lot of people here were regular visitors there.

Yes - I recall when KIIS 1150 came on the air, the DJs always said "K-I-I-S" or "K Double I-S" - but they also had a lot of billboards around town with a huge close up picture of a man and a woman kissing. The caption was "KIIS...and Listen." So they were playing off "Kiss" from the start.

There was a "990 Kiss" (KKIS-AM) out of Concord in the Bay Area in the 70s and 80s - later owned by Dr. Don Rose of KFRC fame.

I wish Don Barrett the best of luck.

 

[recto101]

The "KISS" franchise began in Los Angeles in 1970, when the Foursquare Gospel Church sold KRKD-1150. The station changed call letters to KIIS---the "IIS" resembled the dial position, 115---and played soft rock format for a while before switching to top 40. In 1975, top-40 KKDJ-102.7 became KIIS-FM. The "Kiss" name wasn't used at first; the two stations, which simulcast during half of each day, were known as "K-Double-I-S."

By the way, this is my first post here. (I'll pause while everyone says "Who cares?" And yes, I stole that line from Jack Benny.) For the past nine years, I wrote the daily radio history, music trivia and celebrity birthday bios for Don Barrett's LARadio.com site. Barrett, whose lengthy radio career included managing KIQQ (K-100) in the mid-1970s, got married last month and now has other job offers pending. As of today, November 8, 2012, the site has been shut down (except for the archives). I'm guessing that a lot of people here were regular visitors there.

Yes - I recall when KIIS 1150 came on the air, the DJs always said "K-I-I-S" or "K Double I-S" - but they also had a lot of billboards around town with a huge close up picture of a man and a woman kissing. The caption was "KIIS...and Listen." So they were playing off "Kiss" from the start.

There was a "990 Kiss" (KKIS-AM) out of Concord in the Bay Area in the 70s and 80s - later owned by Dr. Don Rose of KFRC fame.

I wish Don Barrett the best of luck.

There was a 92.1 KKIS-FM of Concord back in 1991 and it resembled todays KKDV 92.1 and KUIC format.

 

[recto101]

http://formatchange.com/kmet-becomes-smooth-jazz-94-7-the-wave-ktwv/

Heres an Aircheck of KTWV.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

The "KISS" franchise began in Los Angeles in 1970, when the Foursquare Gospel Church sold KRKD-1150. The station changed call letters to KIIS---the "IIS" resembled the dial position, 115---and played soft rock format for a while before switching to top 40. In 1975, top-40 KKDJ-102.7 became KIIS-FM. The "Kiss" name wasn't used at first; the two stations, which simulcast during half of each day, were known as "K-Double-I-S."

By the way, this is my first post here. (I'll pause while everyone says "Who cares?" And yes, I stole that line from Jack Benny.) For the past nine years, I wrote the daily radio history, music trivia and celebrity birthday bios for Don Barrett's LARadio.com site. Barrett, whose lengthy radio career included managing KIQQ (K-100) in the mid-1970s, got married last month and now has other job offers pending. As of today, November 8, 2012, the site has been shut down (except for the archives). I'm guessing that a lot of people here were regular visitors there.

I think Don is a good guy and I definitely enjoyed his site for many years, however his exit from the site has been as poorly managed as possible. He threatened to quit every year for many years, and then with a certain amount of fanfare, finally did say he was going to quit the site and exit and even identified a final date and wrote a farewell column... and then he kept on posting, but in a limited capacity - not every day, but he was still identifying and even breaking relevant industry and local radio news stories. I didn't notice for awhile because I took him at his word that his last day really was his last day and didn't check his site out for a long time afterwards.

When I found out that he really was still posting on a regular basis, I sent him an email asking if I could pay for the continued service and got a really curt email back from him saying he was only doing the service for people whose subscriptions had not run out and was not accepting any new subscribers. I emailed him back to say how disappointed I was in his email to me, a long-time paying subscriber, particularly the tone, which was the most surprising aspect of it. To his credit he did email me back saying he apologized for the tone and offered to sign me up. I didn't at the time, but I later quietly resubscribed to the new monthly service, which for me at least, did not include the emailed stories that he sends to his subscriber base.

I didn't find out directly from him that he was quitting again and what the circumstances were, except for this form email that I received telling me to cancel my Paypal account


Thank you so much for your past support of LARadio. Before the end of the year, there will be a major announcement about the future of LARadio.
Meanwhile, will you please cancel your automatic monthly payments. There will be no more charges this year.To cancel your subscription, log into your PayPal account, and go to the Profile…Recurring Payments screen.

Kind regards, Don Barrett

So I do what the email tells me and then I am locked out of the site to even see the posts he made from that point forward or what the "major announcement" is. So I have to find out here on this board later on what the real story is. Don, if you weren't going to charge or accept any more payments, don't you think you should leave the site open to my password so I can at least see the final stories and the biggest announcement of all?

Overall I enjoyed the ride with Don over all these years and gladly paid his fees. I am just so disappointed it had to end so sloppily. Don is a Hollywood man and he of all people should understand the importance of a good ending. Unfortunately, the site didn't have one.

 

[Thomps2525]

Don told me that the LARadio.com archives would remain online and the "Where are they now?" listings would continue to be maintained. Umm...maybe they will be eventually, but right now a visit to the website brings up only a letter of farewell which says, regarding LARadio.com, "Officially it ended a year ago September, but there were hundreds of supporters with time left on their subscriptions and I felt it only fair to fulfill that time. The reasons for ending the site are no different today than they were 14 months ago. This time there are no long goodbyes. No parades." There ya go!

Getting back on topic---kinda---I think there are around 30 stations calling themselves "Kiss." Among them are KIIS (of course), KISS-San Antonio, WAKS-Cleveland, WKSE-Buffalo, WKSS-Hartford, WKSC-Chicago and WXKS-Boston. If KIIS was the first, which station was second? And did they just "borrow" the name or did they have to pay KIIS a licensing fee for the rights to the name? As for KTWV, "The Wave," their name isn't much different from the "K-Wave" name used by San Clemente FM station KWVE since 1971. The station has had a Christian format since 1985 and now simulcasts on KWTH in Barstow and a repeater station in Las Vegas as "K-Wave Radio Network."