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Hollywood Squares anniversary today

October 17 marks the 39th anniversary of the
debut of Hollywood Squares on NBC. The show
evolved out of two other shows: People Will
Talk (NBC daytime, 1963) and The Celebrity
Game (CBS primetime, summer 1964 and January-
September 1965; reruns on Sunday afternoons
in 1967-68).

People Will Talk involved two contestants
guessing how fifteen members of the studio
audience would answer a yes-or-no opinion
question, such as "Is it OK to kiss in public?"
The contestants would take turns picking one of
the fifteen, and if they guessed correctly they
won $25; $100 won the game.

Apparently not many people cared what a bunch
of strangers thought about anything, so when
NBC canceled the show producers Merrill Heatter
and Bob Quigley decided to experiment with fifteen
celebrities. Although it was too late to save
People Will Talk, they whittled the number of
stars to nine for Celebrity Game.

Merrill Heatter, in a book about game shows titled
Come On Down!, says that Celebrity Game did well
enough that he wanted to do another multistar game
show, and by free association he came up with the
idea of putting them in a life-size tic-tac-toe board.

Two changes made the show a hit (make it three). When
the original pilot was made for CBS, Bert Parks was host.
Fred Silverman, then running daytime programming at the
Eye network, chose The Face Is Familiar, which bombed.
Next customer: NBC, which wanted a new face as host.
Peter Marshall had had no emceeing experience but we
know how good he turned out to be. He had been a
straight man for comedian Tommy Noonan.

The second change was speeding up the show. Heatter
was watching one morning and counted only eleven questions.
The stars were hogging the camera; it didn't matter if it
was a true-false question, he said, they were on for two
minutes. So he decided there would be at least twenty-two
questions each show. That was a big help; I remember being
bored out of my mind the first time I saw Squares in '66.

The third--and best--change was making Paul Lynde the center
square. I could watch Squares just to hear his answers, such
as one that is perhaps the most famous:

MARSHALL: Why are motorcyclists partial to leather?
LYNDE: Because chiffon wrinkles.

With Wally Cox, Charley Weaver (and George Gobel after him),
and semi-regulars like Rose Marie, Morey Amsterdam, Abby
Dalton, and Vincent Price, Squares was soon winning every
award in sight, and was even the number-one daytime show for
a time in 1972. The nighttime syndicated version was also a
hit (yet NBC ran it at night only once, January-September 1968).

Mark Goodson thought Squares was fraudulent, because the show
furnished the answers (and the jokes) to the celebrities. Heatter
rightly took offense; the contestants still had to judge whether
an answer was right or wrong, and they were on their own there.

I'd have to pick the original version as the best, followed by
the Tom Bergeron version and the John Davidson one, in that order.
I never saw The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour so I cannot
comment on it.

To Merrill Heatter, I will say, happy birthday to one of the
truly classic game shows.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bpatrick on 10/17/05 08:18 PM.</FONT></P>
 
>
> I'd have to pick the original version as the best, followed
> by
> the Tom Bergeron version and the John Davidson one, in that
> order.
> I never saw The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour so I
> cannot
> comment on it.
>
I recall seeing The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour a couple of times....it was horrific.

Then again, so were many of the attempted reincarnations of The Match Game.
 
>>>I recall seeing The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour a couple of times....it was horrific.

Then again, so were many of the attempted reincarnations of The Match Game.

Gene Rayburn looked miserable emceeing his portion of it, and Jon "Bauser" Bauman had no business doing anything on TV except mugging as a greaser for Sha Na Na--IMHO, one of the worst TV shoes of the '70's.
 
> >>>I recall seeing The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour a
> couple of times....it was horrific.
>
> Then again, so were many of the attempted reincarnations of
> The Match Game.
>
> Gene Rayburn looked miserable emceeing his portion of it,
> and Jon "Bauser" Bauman had no business doing anything on TV
> except mugging as a greaser for Sha Na Na--IMHO, one of the
> worst TV shoes of the '70's.
>
Wasn't here an LP released in the late 60's or early 70's entitled "Zinggers From Hollywood Squares"? Hollywood Squares and Match Game were great shows seperately, but combined, that version sucked. Too bad the plug was pulled on the last incarnation of Squares. This has always been my number one favorite game show. Number two was Match Game. Paul Lynde and Shadoe Stevens were great in the center square. Never been a Whoopi fan.<P ID="signature">______________
"I look out for me and mine."-Capt. Malcom "Mal" Reynolds in Serenity</P>
 
> Wasn't here an LP released in the late 60's or early 70's
> entitled "Zinggers From Hollywood Squares"?

Yes there was, released around 1974. It was rerelased a couple of years ago on CD, as part of Peter Marshall's book ("Backstage with The Original Hollywood Square").
 
> > Wasn't here an LP released in the late 60's or early 70's
> > entitled "Zinggers From Hollywood Squares"?
>
> Yes there was, released around 1974. It was rerelased a
> couple of years ago on CD, as part of Peter Marshall's book
> ("Backstage with The Original Hollywood Square").
>
I'd like to track down a copy of that CD. Not really interested in Peter's book, though.<P ID="signature">______________
"I look out for me and mine."-Capt. Malcom "Mal" Reynolds in Serenity</P>
 
MatchGame/Hollywood Squres Hour questions( Was Re: Hollywood Squares anniversary today

> >>>I recall seeing The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour a
> couple of times....it was horrific.
>
> Then again, so were many of the attempted reincarnations of
> The Match Game.
>
> Gene Rayburn looked miserable emceeing his portion of it,
> and Jon "Bauser" Bauman had no business doing anything on TV
> except mugging as a greaser for Sha Na Na>

1. Who produced/owns the rights? I understand Hatter/Quigley were pretty much out of TV production by then, but was Mark Goodson Productions responsible for this mess?
Rayburn's dissatisfaction of the show led to it being tied up in 'legal limbo', unlikely to ever be rerun.
2. Why exactly was Peter Marshall not included? Anything to do with differences with new producers?

3. Although I can remember seeing the show when I was 10, I don't recall how they worked the 'Match Game' portion. Did they use all nine celebrities, or have three of them sit out the game?
 
Re: MatchGame/Hollywood Squres Hour questions( Was Re: Hollywood Squares anniversary today

> 1. Who produced/owns the rights? I understand Hatter/Quigley
> were pretty much out of TV production by then, but was Mark
> Goodson Productions responsible for this mess?
> Rayburn's dissatisfaction of the show led to it being tied
> up in 'legal limbo', unlikely to ever be rerun.
It was Goodson's show, which was one reason it didn't work; Goodson didn't like the idea of the stars being told the questions, which was the way it had to be done to come up with the good lines. (Another reason was that Goodson, to hurry the game along, threw out the "you have to get the third square yourself) rule)

> 2. Why exactly was Peter Marshall not included? Anything to
> do with differences with new producers?
I think he was working on "Fantasy" at the time.
>
> 3. Although I can remember seeing the show when I was 10, I
> don't recall how they worked the 'Match Game' portion. Did
> they use all nine celebrities, or have three of them sit out
> the game?
"Match Game" was played first with six celebs, same as before. When the winner was decided, the final three celebs slid in from offstage behind the first two rows, and the Xs and Os were displayed behind them. (They tried to rotate the celebs so everybody got equal time, which is another reason the show didn't work; "good" players sometimes had to be shuffled off in favor of bad ones to ensure everyone was happy). During the Match Game portion, Bowser sat in the lower-left seat on the panel; when it was time to switch, he went to the host podium and Rayburn took the seat. The Match Game winner then played the previous day's winner in Hollywood Squares; the winner there got to play the Super Match for the big buckolas.
 
> I'd like to track down a copy of that CD. Not really
> interested in Peter's book, though.
>
Having read it, if you're at all interested in the "zingers," you'll probably love the book as well; a lot of very funny material (and many more zingers)
 
Re: MatchGame/Hollywood Squres Hour questions( Was Re: Hollywood Squares anniversary today

> 1. Who produced/owns the rights? I understand Hatter/Quigley
> were pretty much out of TV production by then, but was Mark
> Goodson Productions responsible for this mess?
> Rayburn's dissatisfaction of the show led to it being tied
> up in 'legal limbo', unlikely to ever be rerun.

Goodson-Todman produced MGHSH for NBC in association with Hatter/Quigley (I believe). It's my understand that KingWorld owns the Hatter/Quigley library, currently.

> 2. Why exactly was Peter Marshall not included? Anything to
> do with differences with new producers?
>

Don't have an answer on this. Perhaps he was tired of doing Hollywood Squares after 15 or so years. IIRC, NBC cancelled Hollywood Squares at the end of either the 1980 or 1981 season. HGHSH premiered in the fall of '82 or '83.


> 3. Although I can remember seeing the show when I was 10, I
> don't recall how they worked the 'Match Game' portion. Did
> they use all nine celebrities, or have three of them sit out
> the game?
>

First half of the show was Match Game played like traditional MG. 6 celebrities with Bauman as the lower left celeb (which in the 70s was where the first weekly female star sat.

Second half of the show was Hollywood Squares. 3 additional celebrities were seated on a third tier and would swing onto the stage. Rayburn would replace Bauman as the lower-left celebrity. Game played as traditional Hollywood Squares though I'm unsure if they had a "secret square" round or not.

The winner of the Match Game portion would play the reigning champion. The winner of the Hollywood Squares segment would play the Super Match portion of Match Game for up to $30,000 with Rayburn officiating.
 
Re: MatchGame/Hollywood Squres Hour questions( Was Re: Hollywood Squares anniversary today

>
>
> 1. Who produced/owns the rights? I understand Hatter/Quigley
> were pretty much out of TV production by then, but was Mark
> Goodson Productions responsible for this mess?
> Rayburn's dissatisfaction of the show led to it being tied
> up in 'legal limbo', unlikely to ever be rerun.
> 2. Why exactly was Peter Marshall not included? Anything to
> do with differences with new producers?
>
> 3. Although I can remember seeing the show when I was 10, I
> don't recall how they worked the 'Match Game' portion. Did
> they use all nine celebrities, or have three of them sit out
> the game?
>

The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour was co-prouced by Mark Goodson Productions and Orion TV (nee' Filmways and later absorbed by MGM ,now owned by Sony). It may be rerun after Sony who now owns MGM clears up Orion's debts, so that's why MGHS and John Davidson's HS 1986-89 aren't on GSN.

Peter Marshall,who had just come off of Fantasy was slated to co-host with Gene Rayburn, which would have been cool, NBC at the last minute chose to put Jon Bauman from Sha-Na-Na.

There were six stars in The Match Game part and three more added for HS and when The Super Match came all nine stars played.

There is a downloadable version of MGHS and other game shows on BASICGames. Just go to http://basicgames.folff.com. And follow the instructions on downloading. You will need WinZip or another zip tool to unzip the files.And you can make your own MGHS panel with BASICGames' version of the show.
 
Re: MatchGame/Hollywood Squres Hour questions( Was Re: Hollywood Squares anniversary today

> Game played as traditional Hollywood Squares
> though I'm unsure if they had a "secret square" round or
> not.
>
>

No, they never had any "Secret Square" rounds like the Marshall version did, or the Davidson or Bergeron versions would later on.
 
I have both the CD and the book. I bought them separately on Amazon.con I think. Book isnt too bad, slightly boring in spots. The CD is really good.

Also purchased recently via Amazon a book called "Center Square...The Paul Lynde Story". Again, interesting in the parts where it relates to his time on Hollywood Squares. Fairly boring (to me, anyway) on his early life. That man was not very happy during the last year or so (or more) of the original Hollywood Squares.

Regarding the John Davidson version....anyone remember when Davidson was out for a while due to a tennis injury?? Jm J Bullock (from Too Close For Comfort fame) was a semi-regular on the show and ended up hosting the show while Davidson was out. Thing is, Squares taped many weeks of shows in a weekend's time meaning Davidson, in tv time, was out for many many weeks while, in reality, he was only out of action for just a week or two. Joan Rivers was the center square and, as mentioned, Shadoe Stevens was the announcer.

And didnt they originally bring Shadoe back as Tom Bergeron's announcer?? Except this time, he wasnt an on-air celebrity as he was with Davidson.
 
> Wasn't here an LP released in the late 60's or early 70's
> entitled "Zinggers From Hollywood Squares"?

Yep...A&E did a Biography of Paul Lynde; apparently they were unable to secure footage of the Hollywood Squares, so they had to get audio of Lynde's "zingers" from the album.
 
> And didnt they originally bring Shadoe back as Tom
> Bergeron's announcer?? Except this time, he wasnt an on-air
> celebrity as he was with Davidson.
>
Yeah, they did, and he was never (as I far as remember) seen on camera. When Henry Winkler and his partner took over the show from Whoopi Goldberg in its last year, Shadoe was replaced.
 
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