Ditto on the sound bed under weather, traffic reports, etc. Too hyper for my tastes too... "Sweetening" has been going on longer than you may think. Producers of the "Burns & Allen" show were doing this in the early '50s. A Burns & Allen episode broadcast live on the east coast was also being kinescoped for airing later on the west coast. That west coast broadcast often had more robust audience laughter than was heard on the east coast showing.flytrap said:
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Horrific audio background crap now the norm
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Sorry for hijacking the original post, but can you give me an example of a TV show that uses that camera technique? The only dramas I watch are the Good Wife, and Pan Am. I used to watch Las Vegas, that was a fast paced show. OTOH, I am trying to watch Father Knows Best on KTLA at 4 in the morning, and boy, is that show slow and dragging!
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JeeperOne
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I think the poster you're replying to has seemingly confused Law & Order with the CSI trilogy just like he's confused KWGN 2 with sister station KDVR 31 (Who produces the news for KWGN 2 because they both share news resources & use the KDVR graphics)chrish said:
That said though, Law & Order: Criminal Intent (And perhaps Law & Order UK as well) could both use opening theme changes (Especially on CI where the theme is REALLY loud) due to volume
JMO.....
Cheers & 73 ;D
JeeperOne
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KMGH 7 does this with ESPN games they air (Only they do it on the SD side), which makes the ESPN score bar & bottom line at the bottom of the screen look HUGE (Not sure what it looks like on the HD side though)vchimpanzee said:
ROOT Sports does the same thing with games from FSN but ironically this is actually kind of a good thing considering the size of the fonts on a 16:9 screen look nearly UNREADABLE to begin with) so.....
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No "confusion" at all. KDVR canned Kelly on the eve of the then-new "sister station" innauguration. His salary was too high and, only speculating, but with the looming kick-off of "talent-sharing", KDVR execs might have feared Kelly's professionalism would not mix well with the banal clowning they intended to brand, especially on KWGN. I'll clarify one point; however poor the quaility of both shows, KWGN morning newscasts are far more spacey than KDVR's... early Law & Order tapings did indeed use those neurotic camera quirks, although today's episodes don't...Pat Cook said:
My gripe is against the constant background music that
has been a part of every primetime game show since "Who
Wants To Be A Millionaire" debuted in 1999 (yes, that includes
"Million Dollar Mind Game," which AFAIK was originally intended
as a primetime show).
In fact (and this is off-topic) I'd like to do a game show with
the following provisions:
1. The questions in a category are progressively difficult,
although I would not copy "Jeopardy!"'s scoring structure
for obvious reasons. However, there is no ladder of ascending
amounts of money; your score in the category is based on the
number of questions you get right in that category.
2. There are only rarely multiple choices, as the question dictates;
for the most part the contestants are on their own when a question
is asked.
3. There is no constant background music.
has been a part of every primetime game show since "Who
Wants To Be A Millionaire" debuted in 1999 (yes, that includes
"Million Dollar Mind Game," which AFAIK was originally intended
as a primetime show).
In fact (and this is off-topic) I'd like to do a game show with
the following provisions:
1. The questions in a category are progressively difficult,
although I would not copy "Jeopardy!"'s scoring structure
for obvious reasons. However, there is no ladder of ascending
amounts of money; your score in the category is based on the
number of questions you get right in that category.
2. There are only rarely multiple choices, as the question dictates;
for the most part the contestants are on their own when a question
is asked.
3. There is no constant background music.
I'd like to do a game show with
the following provisions:
1. The questions in a category are progressively difficult,
although I would not copy "Jeopardy!"'s scoring structure
for obvious reasons. However, there is no ladder of ascending
amounts of money; your score in the category is based on the
number of questions you get right in that category.
2. There are only rarely multiple choices, as the question dictates;
for the most part the contestants are on their own when a question
is asked.
3. There is no constant background music.
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In other words, just like those TV-Game Show pioneers, Mark Goodson, Bill Toddman and Chuck Barris would have done things...
the following provisions:
1. The questions in a category are progressively difficult,
although I would not copy "Jeopardy!"'s scoring structure
for obvious reasons. However, there is no ladder of ascending
amounts of money; your score in the category is based on the
number of questions you get right in that category.
2. There are only rarely multiple choices, as the question dictates;
for the most part the contestants are on their own when a question
is asked.
3. There is no constant background music.
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In other words, just like those TV-Game Show pioneers, Mark Goodson, Bill Toddman and Chuck Barris would have done things...
I might have tried "Millionaire" without that. And yet it didn't really bother me on "Don't Forget the Lyrics". But it did bother me that the poor contestants who couldn't think of the missing lyrics might have felt intimidated by that music driving home the point that they're not that smart.bpatrick said:
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Darth_vader
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"Can you give me an example of a TV show that uses that camera technique? The only dramas I watch are the Good Wife, and Pan Am. I used to watch Las Vegas, that was a fast paced show."
Watch just about any of the prime-time programmes on FOX, CBS, MYNET, really any of them these days. A simple "table-talk" session between two people was seen recently on "House", that exhibited that effect. In fact, my Mum is viewing an episode of "Navy N.C.I.S." on KOIN right now, and a few minutes ago whilst walking through the room I observed a shot of a guy talking on a telephone in an office. He was standing at a vertical file looking at some paperwork, then turned about and sat back down before his desk and ended the phone converation. The whole scene looked as though it was recorded during an earthquake.
Absolutely no reason at all why they couldn't have used a tripod, especially for recording as simplistic a scene as that. Most half-way decent camera tripods do tilt and pivot, you know. When I was learning camera technique in tenth grade A/V, it was hammered into my head by my teacher that camera motion such as that is a production error and is to be avoided!
Watch just about any of the prime-time programmes on FOX, CBS, MYNET, really any of them these days. A simple "table-talk" session between two people was seen recently on "House", that exhibited that effect. In fact, my Mum is viewing an episode of "Navy N.C.I.S." on KOIN right now, and a few minutes ago whilst walking through the room I observed a shot of a guy talking on a telephone in an office. He was standing at a vertical file looking at some paperwork, then turned about and sat back down before his desk and ended the phone converation. The whole scene looked as though it was recorded during an earthquake.
Absolutely no reason at all why they couldn't have used a tripod, especially for recording as simplistic a scene as that. Most half-way decent camera tripods do tilt and pivot, you know. When I was learning camera technique in tenth grade A/V, it was hammered into my head by my teacher that camera motion such as that is a production error and is to be avoided!
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Darth_vader
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(^^That post timed out so I'll say here
Oh yeah, "Friday Night Flights" and "Glee" we/are awful. The first time I'd seen the former (mid-season, yet) was also the first time I'd literally gotten motion-sick from watching television.
Oh yeah, "Friday Night Flights" and "Glee" we/are awful. The first time I'd seen the former (mid-season, yet) was also the first time I'd literally gotten motion-sick from watching television.
Darth_vader said:(^^That post timed out so I'll say here
Oh yeah, "Friday Night Flights" and "Glee" we/are awful. The first time I'd seen the former (mid-season, yet) was also the first time I'd literally gotten motion-sick from watching television.
Yes, those dopey camera quirks affect me like scenes of roller coasters, from the view of the rider, cascading down terrifyingly steep descents at exponantially accellarating speeds. Shame you have to keep the Dramamine handy just to watch TV.
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