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Host says Eagles' Vick Should Have Gotten Needle

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MattParker

The Eagles Michael Vick is in the news again not just for his injuries, the Eagles loss last night or even Obama's phone call to Eagle's owner Jeff Laurie praising Laurie for giving Vick a "second chance."

While Vick was getting sacked (repeatedly) last night, Tucker Carlson, filling in for Sean Hannity on Fox, said Vick deserved to be executed for running a dog fighting ring:
"I'm a Christian, I've made mistakes myself, I believe fervently in second chances, but Michael Vick killed dogs, and he did [it] in a heartless and cruel way. And I think personally he should have been executed for that. He wasn't."
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Carlson added that Obama "getting behind" someone who "murdered dogs" is "beyond the pale."

Local radio hosts and fans (based on the lack of anti-Vick signs at the Linc this season) seem willing to overlook Vick's past off-field behavior, at least while he's winning. But after last night's performance, sounds like this could take over Philly talk radio and sports talk.
 
Doubtful that those remarks will "take over" Philly sports talk. The poor performance last night is more pressing to fans than over-the-top commentary that doesn't deserve to be dignified by being discussed in detail.

As for overlooking past behavior, one need not overlook anything to simply accept reality. He was punished according to the law, and it's over. Yes, it flared up some passions initially, but people eventually move on and stop having the same unproductive argument over and over. Some may well have carried through on their vows to ignore the team (and thus may well not be at the Linc in the first place).
 
Kind of like teaching one's adult son about hitting the dog by slapping him alongside the head and asking how it feels. It works.
 
and other countries of the world eat dog, so should all of those people should be executed? Tucker Carlson is an idiot
 
Since Tucker Carlson, conservative talking head on Fox made the comment, I'm assuming that Michael Vick must be a Democrat. If not, the so called "fair and balanced" folks at Fox would simply ignore the entire thing and certainly wouldn't keep bringing it up again and again if the person was a conservative Republican. There is a double standard at Fox, just as there is at MSNBC in the opposite direction. So consider the source and ignore it.

Seriously, what Vick did was horrible, but he did paid his debt to society according to our laws. I don't remember him whining to the likes of Al Sharpton, etc, to try to get him off. Michael served his full prison sentence like a regular Joe. As far as I know, Vick didn't get any special treatment due to his celebrity status, how rare is that today. He did the crime and did the time. Wow, what a concept for the rich and famous to be treated like the rest of us.

Whether he plays great football or not doesn't matter, he paid his debt and should now be allowed to rebuild his life, which he seems to be doing rather well.
 
MikefromDelaware said:
Since Tucker Carlson, conservative talking head on Fox made the comment, I'm assuming that Michael Vick must be a Democrat. If not, the so called "fair and balanced" folks at Fox would simply ignore the entire thing and certainly wouldn't keep bringing it up again and again if the person was a conservative Republican. There is a double standard at Fox, just as there is at MSNBC in the opposite direction. So consider the source and ignore it.

Seriously, what Vick did was horrible, but he did paid his debt to society according to our laws. I don't remember him whining to the likes of Al Sharpton, etc, to try to get him off. Michael served his full prison sentence like a regular Joe. As far as I know, Vick didn't get any special treatment due to his celebrity status, how rare is that today. He did the crime and did the time. Wow, what a concept for the rich and famous to be treated like the rest of us.

Whether he plays great football or not doesn't matter, he paid his debt and should now be allowed to rebuild his life, which he seems to be doing rather well.
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As the saying goes, everyone is entitled to his own opinions but not his own facts. No, he didn't go to Al Sharpton. He went to a high-priced legal team who managed to reduce his fines and sentences on both state and federal charges. Then he filed for chapter 11 and defaulted on repaying substantial amounts to his creditors, including his lawyers. Whether asked or not, various activists, including Jesse Jackson, attempted to play the race card in defending Vick's actions. And what is your source for saying Vick did not get "special treatment" on the inside?

Vick like a lot of other jocks (Kobe Bryant, OJ Simpson .... ) have been allowed to get away with various degrees of bad behavior their entire lives. Not just celebrity athletes but high school players who get passing grades to remain eligible, college players who have others take tests for them. Vick has long been involved with illegal drugs, both recreational and performance enhancing, and incidents of violence (against people, not just animals). His dog fighting is just the time he got caught and even then he got "special treatment" and a reduced "debt" because of his celebrity status.

It's interesting how people here, in the newspapers and in sports talk radio are willing to forgive a winning athlete. How many of those people follow the Biblical mandate to visit those in prison or are willing to give a non-celebrity ex-con a job (or to be supportive if they end up working alongside one)? Vick continues to get "special treatment" on the outside. So do Martha Stewart, Bernie Madoff and others of the "rich and famous."

No, he doesn't deserve the death penalty. He does deserve to have all his assets confiscated ("The way to hurt rich people is to turn them into poor people." - Billy Ray Valentine in Trading Places). He does deserved to be barred from professional sports for life (it was good enough for Pete Rose, whose crimes had no victims other than himself). And he deserves all the restrictions typically imposed on convicted felons (he's getting special treatment here, as well, since he apparently has already violated normal conditions of parole). Instead of playing football, he should be required to do community service in a shelter or kennel for the next 20 years.
 
Interesting conversation. But as the politicians here in the South are known to say: "My dog's not in that fight."
 
You've mentioned things I hadn't heard. My opinion was based on the info I had available. As a rich person, sure he used a high priced legal team to get him the best deal possible. If you were in a similar situation and were loaded with cash, you'd probably do the same thing. Why don't conservatives see it the same way when Rush and his illegal drug purchases of a few years ago used the best lawyers he could find and he got off scot free. I noticed Rush's name absent from your list of celebs who got better treatment than you or I would get. So that part of the Vick saga I don't have a problem with OTHER than it shouldn't be allowed for anyone as the rest of us can't access such high powered legal eagles to get us off like both Rush and Vick did, but that isn't simply Vick alone so the system needs to be changed, but since the wealth run the nation, ie Congress, Lobbyists, etc, fat chance of that ever happening.

I totally agree with you about athletes as well as other celebrities, Lindsey Lohand comes to mind, etc, who continuously break the laws and totally get a way with it. It makes a mockery of our American legal justice system.

Vick's filing chapter 11 apparently is legal, so he used a legal, lawful tool that our system provides. Granted you and I probably wouldn't get such a break. I didn't know of him doing this. I never heard either of the Rev's. Sharpton or Jackson running their mouths during that time, but I may have been blessed to have missed it. I've not heard any reports about Vick getting special treatment inside the prison, but who knows.

My entire point of was based on the fact that Vick had completed what our laws required of him. Unless the law says you can confiscate someone's wealth for a crime committed then they just can't go and do that, just because the person is rich.

It's like when an oil refinery gets fined for emitting a pollutant into the atmosphere. The fine might be $150,000, the repair or up grade to the refinery costs 5 million dollars so the oil company pays the fine and sees that as the cost of doing business rather than fixing the problem. So the laws would have to be changed so that the penalty would be worse than NOT fixing the problem. Same goes with these mega rich people. Unless the fine is steep enough for them then they don't care (but if you wrote the law to specifically apply only to the wealthy, that's discrimination, class envy, etc so that will never happen). They do as they please and pay whatever puny fines are involved and hire their big shot lawyers, and go their merry way.

Unfortunately the system works quite well for the wealthy and not so well for the rest of us.

The Eagles management, wanted to win football games and made a business decision to hire Vick, not because they wanted to give this former jail bird a second chance, no not at all, they gave him the second chance, because he's good at what he does and their business is making money by winning football games. Business people don't care a hoot about right or wrong as long as they can make their profits and get their bonuses. It is what it is. I don't agree with it, but that is the reality.

There's something the Tea Party can campaign for, making the legal system treat everyone the same, be they rich or poor, white or black, male or female. Wait, wealthy people are big supporters of the Tea Party as the GOP make up most of the followers of the tea party, so my guess is that isn't going to ever become something you'll hear the likes of Sarah Palin or Christine O'Donnell ( I am not a witch) campaigning for.

Matt, thanks for the additional info on the Vick situation.
 
What's one more off topic post when we're having fun?

If anyone's interested. the courts have this thing set up so that Vick is an asset to those he owed and owes money to. He's not walking off the field with much more than a pretty decent livable allowance, and a big free agent payday for him will not make him rich as a result. In other words, he's an asset being allowed to work, particularly at a priveleged position that he happens to have rare skills at which to excell.

There was an article in either the Daily News or Inquirer roughly a month ago detailing that.

It's pretty ridiculous to talk about people forgiving Michael Vick. I can only speak for myself, but its probably a common attitude that he's tolerated, much, much more than forgiven. But maybe Matt Parker
doesn't believe in objectivity in this I hate Vick roll he's on.

It's equally ridiculous to conclusively go on as if Vick has no conscience and doesn't, and won't always pay a psychological price for all his wrongdoing. You don't know that he doesn't, I don't know that he does. He seems to be doing pretty well so far, which is all I can say.

But unless there is precedent for a guy being guilty of his crimes being subject to execution, in my personal opinion, the topic doesn't even belong on a redneck discussion board, let alone a radio one. There isn't a thing you can do about the courts handling of this case. Not accepting it is a waste of energy at this point.
 
@KBland, sorry you had to inject a petty personal comment into an other well thought-out statement. In particular, the distinct you make between being forgiven and being tolerated may be applicable to how a lot of fans feel. It does seem the local sports media have gone beyond tolerance and have been willing to forget Vick's past and even to approve of him generally - as long as he wins ballgames. Look for cheap shots about dogs to start popping up on WIP and WPEN if the his performance turns sour. That's the nature of talk radio: Make it an you're a hero, muff it and you're, well, a dog.

@MikeFromDelaware: I'm sure people can add a good many people to the list of those who get special treatment. Anyone omitted was because they didn't come immediately to mind, not because I condone their behavior.
 
Look for cheap shots about dogs to start popping up on WIP and WPEN if the his performance turns sour. That's the nature of talk radio: Make it an you're a hero, muff it and you're, well, a dog.>>

I rather doubt it. First of all, the guy's not likely to slip that badly on the field, but if he does, the topics are more likely to be the should the Eagles extend him, the defense, Andy Reid, and Phillies baseball. I grant you, talk radio is what it is, but even if that schtick seeps through, its rare. My take is that most people, pro and con Vick got tired of the story, which is now 3 years old. Seems to me like you just want to see him fail, which is understandable, but want more company than the population has stamina for the subject
 

@MikeFromDelaware: I'm sure people can add a good many people to the list of those who get special treatment. Anyone omitted was because they didn't come immediately to mind, not because I condone their behavior.

Matt, I understand and agree completely.

@KBland:If anyone's interested. the courts have this thing set up so that Vick is an asset to those he owed and owes money to. He's not walking off the field with much more than a pretty decent livable allowance, and a big free agent payday for him will not make him rich as a result. In other words, he's an asset being allowed to work, particularly at a priveleged position that he happens to have rare skills at which to excell.

There was an article in either the Daily News or Inquirer roughly a month ago detailing that.

Thanks KBland for the additional info. So based on what you read in the Philly papers, Vick is making restitution to those he owes money to. So in a way, he's like an indentured servant of the 1700's, who's passage to America from England was paid by someone and then they worked for that person for a period of time to pay back the money.

Did the article say how many seasons of play it would take for Michael Vick to pay off his debts?

So it seems to me, that even though Vick was wealthy and could become wealthy again, he truly is paying his debt to society and to those he owes money too. He didn't get a pass as many of the other wealthy sports/entertainment/politicians generally get for their misdeeds and crimes.

A few years from now, when he's out of debt and could keep the money, I could envisioning a book from Michael Vick. My guess is, it would either bomb completely or more likely be a big seller.

Thus ends Tucker Carlson's 15 minutes of fame.
 
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