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hostile satanic takover
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radioelizabeth
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smashedcd said:
smashed, with all due respect...that heading is bit out of bounds.
another concern I have comes from the article:
"they argue (and it's hard to disagree) that the way they were treated when the station changed hands wasn't very "Christian" at all."
a pretty bold bias by the author of the piece.
The whole thing is coated with presumption and a pretty apparent slant about what is or isn't a "Christian" way to operate. Which makes the word an adjective, rather than the noun it ought to be.
imo.
e
so you are saying its ok for a church to run a station like a nazi and round everyone up. barely let them get anything and run them off?? that just doesnt sound like good business. christian or as i suspect this time..non christian..
e..i have been agreeing with you lately on industry related threads. but this isnt a ccm station. its not on the air. this isnt about programming. its about how christians should not act! many moons ago when i was at a station that had just been bought out the owners kid comes in and starts taking cd's because his dad (the owner) told him he could. the problem..one of those boxes of cd's was mine!! not the stations! this just seems like the same kind of hostile takeover. and it shouldnt have happened.
e..i have been agreeing with you lately on industry related threads. but this isnt a ccm station. its not on the air. this isnt about programming. its about how christians should not act! many moons ago when i was at a station that had just been bought out the owners kid comes in and starts taking cd's because his dad (the owner) told him he could. the problem..one of those boxes of cd's was mine!! not the stations! this just seems like the same kind of hostile takeover. and it shouldnt have happened.
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radioelizabeth
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smashedcd said:
I am saying that your personal passions allowed you to call something "satantic", which is a very bold statement and not very "Christlike" in and of itself. Now, if you have some evidence that it is satantic, feel free to share...but let's not slap such a large label (and I'll say a very dangerous one) on something just because we disagree with the way they do business.
How Christians should or shouldn't act is totally subjective. And this article attempts to define those terms without any real basis, and does show bias. It reads much more like an editorial, which it may be, but I can't say I agree completely with the presumptions it makes.
And again, to refer to these PEOPLE as satantic, or...nazi??? How "Christian" (by your own use of the word as an adjective) is that?
CCM, Talk, or whatever...
love ya for the passion, but...yes, we disagree on some of the post.
smashedcd said:
Christians have as much a right to own radio stations as everybody else, provided they "play by the rules" (adhere to FCC rules) as secular groups do. It's "free speech"; not everyone is going to like what they have to say, and that's ok. No one is forcing you to listen to it. Also, I don't think "satanic takeover" is a good use of words to describe what happened. Yes...if what they did is true, then it's awful, and it's wrong. It's not "satanic", though. They definitely weren't acting in a christian manner, that's for sure.
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The article is opinion. Fybush is essentially an online "columnist" who has a private website and makes no claim to being an objective news reporter.
This actually makes his article more interesting. His reaction to the abrupt nature of the ownership changeover and the rude manner in which the programmers were treated by the church indicates the church probably was too rough on those people. At the very least they could have been more tactful.
Now, I wasn't there, but the impression given is that this church was in haste to get its material on the air. But in its haste it left a bitter taste in the mouths of the people who were promised time to find an alternative home for their programming but instead were thrown out with little notice. That's not "satanic," but if this church told the people they'd have 30 days and reneged on that promise, then the church has no integrity and that's a poor witness. Once again, Christians have acted in a manner that allows the "world" to level criticism. That's unfortunate and quite avoidable in this instance.
This actually makes his article more interesting. His reaction to the abrupt nature of the ownership changeover and the rude manner in which the programmers were treated by the church indicates the church probably was too rough on those people. At the very least they could have been more tactful.
Now, I wasn't there, but the impression given is that this church was in haste to get its material on the air. But in its haste it left a bitter taste in the mouths of the people who were promised time to find an alternative home for their programming but instead were thrown out with little notice. That's not "satanic," but if this church told the people they'd have 30 days and reneged on that promise, then the church has no integrity and that's a poor witness. Once again, Christians have acted in a manner that allows the "world" to level criticism. That's unfortunate and quite avoidable in this instance.
There's something interesting I've noticed on this board -- the number of posters and the number of posts coming from your part of the country are at a much greater index than your region's population as a percentage of the country.smashedcd said:
And there's something I notice in virtually every one -- you believe your world (culture) and your experiences are universal and project them on the rest of us.
Well, your world (culture) and your experiences are yours, alone. I'm sorry you have had (and possibly still have) them, but it's important to understand they are not representative.
I'd be thrilled if my church owned one or more of this area's stations. It would be programmed with the largest available population in mind, not just a bunch of the elderly that the board of elderly folks from lower socio-economic backgrounds presumes to be the most likely to donate. Mediocrity would not be tolerated; the station would be benchmarked against the best of any kind out there, not just compared to other old-fashioned "religious" stations. There would be nobody there simply trying to coast out his or her career safely. Staff members would be in position because of calling, competence, and character and would be required to be continuously learning and acting to do the job better. The Bible would be the standard for the overall operation and the resolution of issues; absolute integrity would be the expectation, but grace would be very much available. Gosh, I could go on and on....it'd be a great place to be and a great station to listen to.
Get out of your weird, little bubble. You're obviously on the web a lot....take a look at the excellent churches all over the country! Most probably have audio available...you'll find many have video available, too! Take new and different looks...examine or re-examine these beliefs you have.
Yeah, and it's one you see all the time. The connotative definition of "Christian" in the secular or non-Christian world is "one who rolls over and lets others get away with what they want to do with or to the 'Christian' and how they want to do it; a pansy, a wimp."radioelizabeth said:
Let's use Fybush's writing and see.....buster2 said:
A few days shy of nine months of "haste." :
Again, let's take a look at Fybush's words....
Okay, so someone -- Fybush or one of the programmers -- had some expectation of 30 days' notice...no promise, contract, or agreement, at all.
Eh....maybe, maybe not. The "world" wants and stands ready to level criticism; it doesn't need for Christians to act in any manner at all to go ahead and do it.
Avoidable? Possibly. But go check out the church's website -- it's an outpost of evangelicals in New England who appear to see themselves as persecuted and pushing back. Given New England, it's hard for Christians not to feel like victims and tiny, oppressed minorities...in a way, they are. So, they seem to be choosing to respond somewhat aggressively -- their emphasis appears to be on "getting the truth out there!" in a manner that is very much on offense ("on," not "an!") while coming from a mindset on the defensive.
Speaking of the church's website, it makes it obvious that Fybush is very much wrong about something....
That right there made me suspicious -- I'm not aware of a single mega-church anywhere in New England! That sent me looking for the church's website.
Trust me -- it ain't no mega-church!
"Medium" might be being somewhat generous, as a matter of fact....apparently well-tucked back in a neighborhood, it has only several acres, a small or medium-sized worship center with a tiny stage, and parking for 150 cars, tops.
So, yes, Fybush, though I think of him as a generally good guy, is definitely showing either a whole bunch of bias, a complete lack of knowledge, or a total misunderstanding in and of this.
The commonly accepted definition of a megachurch (or at least those who felt the need to have a definition for a megachurch) is one with an average weekly attendance of 2,000 or more members. I go to a megachurch that has about 9 times that number show up on a given weekend, and has a daily radio show on a local Christian Teaching/Talk station - many of the 35,000 people who have accepted Christ there and/or joined the church over the past 40 years decided to attend church through the radio program. The program is the highest rated on the station with 4,000-6,000 listeners, which is not bad for a station that may have never cracked 2.0 in the 12+ ratings for Louisville.
I would have to agree with Mr. Fybush that giving someone a few hours notice to clean out their desk was a bit harsh (unless if we are missing some detail). Also, did the previous owners inform their lessees of the sale?
I would have to agree with Mr. Fybush that giving someone a few hours notice to clean out their desk was a bit harsh (unless if we are missing some detail). Also, did the previous owners inform their lessees of the sale?
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radioelizabeth
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smashedcd said:neutralobserver said:
I'm going to try to have fewer typos in this post...but, no promises...they seem to be happening more frequently than not...is it possible to lose phonics and your fingertips when you get little sleep?...
ok...
Thanks for the comment about the header. I think that shows much. Sometimes, we all let our passions get the best of us and forget we are "talking out loud" so to speak...
Regarding your own personal situations and such with the church or the Church...I hope that finds resolution...mainly, because I think that having only these negative experiences is at the root of much of the frustration you feel...and I would pray that you would be overwhelmed by some very positive ones, so that instead of lumping all sorts of people and faiths and denominations and formats and such into one broad group...you would have a broader perspective instead. People hurt people...and business is business...and we all stink sometimes...but sometimes, after a shower with the right perfume, we don't....hope you get the metaphor there...
back to the thread...for any and all...
Giving someone a few hours to clean out their desk is not bad or wrong or mean. And it happens all the time. There are plenty of WONDERFUL reasons why a new owner or employer would want to do that...and as much as we could speculate on the specifics of this circumstance...we simply do not know the details or the motive or anything else running around in the mind of the new team...and to leap to this strange presumption that the bad guys came in and bullied the good guys is, at best, ignorant and at worst, malicious.
I'm not exactly sure where these new "Christian" rules come from regarding business or radio OR radio stations run by churches...etc. They certainly aren't found in any passages of scripture I have ever read...I read about INDIVIDUALS and CHURCHES and all the ethics related to that...but not some "us/them" playbook that pins the angels against the devils when we're talking about lives.
PEOPLE are behind all these stories, and all these threads.
PEOPLE are behind the slams against churches owning stations, taking over stations, or changing formats of stations...and we do no better when we forget that in our discussion of the same.
forgive the rant...
e
one more reply about formats. i am no longer angst against christian radio. i have let that go. i even see where you were coming from on the focous groups..etc..i actually listen to christian radio most of the time now. its just not fm. its live 365. ccrr/ jesus music oldies and charge radio..at least i got that straight ..i just turned off klove as a matter of fact
..i just turned off klove as a matter of fact Obviously the person who wrote this subject knows nothing about radio! Sorry to say but that is the way it's done in radio when a new seller arrives on the scene. There are lawyers in the middle, the station was leased so those who leased get lost. In Christian radio, secular radio-whatever, when there is a new owner, usually the old staff cease to exist. You don't give a mic to those who you may feel is not loyal to the new owners. I'm not saying I agree with how it's done but I understand the ramifications of having disloyal people on board. Referring to these people as Satan is out of bounds!
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radioelizabeth
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radio4Him said:
I think we already covered that...and the original poster retracted that statement.
Elizabeth
Hey smashed...
I haven't posted in awhile, but I just wanted to share a little.
I can totally see where you're coming from about church. I think religion has taken over a relationship with Jesus for the most part - there are exceptions of course.
I don't have a concrete solution for you or for me. However, three books have offered hope when it comes to my outlook. Here they are:
Blue Like Jazz
Velvet Elvis
A New Kind of Christian
You can find them all on amazon.com. I hope you'll look into them - todd
I haven't posted in awhile, but I just wanted to share a little.
I can totally see where you're coming from about church. I think religion has taken over a relationship with Jesus for the most part - there are exceptions of course.
I don't have a concrete solution for you or for me. However, three books have offered hope when it comes to my outlook. Here they are:
Blue Like Jazz
Velvet Elvis
A New Kind of Christian
You can find them all on amazon.com. I hope you'll look into them - todd
As someone who has worked for Christian ministries in the past, it is sad to see them apply the world's standards when making the format transition. Christians are supposedly called to a higher standard than the world. Unless it was going to cause undue hardship, a 30 day notice would have been more courteous than what reportedly happened. Sadly, Christians have lowered themselves to applying the world's low standards.
Look, note that the attorneys pretty much made this happen.
That suggests to me that the church likely had a very strong recommendation from the attorneys to do it. I would have to assume it was a way to avoid potential liability for stupid stuff such as claims of falls or shocks or....geez, make something up, yourself. Any of these "programmers" gets a little gleam in his eye about owning the station as a lawsuit settlement, and you're in court in MA for months!
I have no problem with the action.
By the way, Smashed, after reading about this subject the Providence board, I found myself extremely disappointed by your comments. If you're going to claim to be a Christian but attack the bodies representing Christ to the world, bring it in here or to a Christian forum where it can be dealt with in a way that is both much more mature and much more helpful and beneficial to you.
That suggests to me that the church likely had a very strong recommendation from the attorneys to do it. I would have to assume it was a way to avoid potential liability for stupid stuff such as claims of falls or shocks or....geez, make something up, yourself. Any of these "programmers" gets a little gleam in his eye about owning the station as a lawsuit settlement, and you're in court in MA for months!
I have no problem with the action.
By the way, Smashed, after reading about this subject the Providence board, I found myself extremely disappointed by your comments. If you're going to claim to be a Christian but attack the bodies representing Christ to the world, bring it in here or to a Christian forum where it can be dealt with in a way that is both much more mature and much more helpful and beneficial to you.
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