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HOT AC IN A MIDLIFE CRISIS

Seems to me that the HOT AC format is going through a serious midlife crisis, trying to appeal to a younger crowd, while trying to hold on to the proverbial ball and chain.

Over the past few weeks I've had a chance to listen to many HOT ACs along the I-5 corridor in California for at least a couple of days in each city --- from Redding and Chico, to Sacramento, San Francisco, Bakersfield, and Los Angeles.

Sadly they all sound as if they are using the same 200 song playlist, playing a lot of rythmic product, and sounding extremely repetitive with the recurrent and gold stuff.

Aren't HOT AC listeners sick and tired of "Hey soul sister", "Mr. Brightside", and "Livin' on a prayer"? How much is too much?

Most of these stations use "the 90s" in their imaging, but they rarely play anything from the 90s. I realize the 90s was a difficult decade for music, especially to build a format around it now, but there are plenty of hits that HOT AC could be playing aside from the usual fare. Isn't this supposed to be a variety format?

I can see why the Clear Channel and CBS HOT ACs sound the way they do, but even the smaller and independent stations are doing the same thing. And the heritage HOT AC renegades like WTMX / Chicago and WOMX / Orlando seem to have lost their way.

If you're going to immitate the local CHR, at least try to jump on new music sooner. Good programmers should know what a HOT AC hit is going to be as soon as it's released, and they should also know when to scale it back or drop it altogether. If you know you're going to be playing Lady Gaga's "Judas" for the next five years, why not add it today instead of six weeks from now when the local CHR has dumped it?

Are these the reasons HOT AC is at the middle or bottom half of the ratings chart in most markets, when in reality it should have the potential of being a ratings winner?
 
Radiofornia said:
And the heritage HOT AC renegades like WTMX / Chicago and WOMX / Orlando seem to have lost their way.

WTMX/Chicago is the second most listened to music station in its market (completely annhiliating CHR, AC and Rhythmic)

Instead of saying WTMX has "lost its way", I'd say more stations need to imitate it
 
Radiofornia said:
Seems to me that the HOT AC format is going through a serious midlife crisis, trying to appeal to a younger crowd, while trying to hold on to the proverbial ball and chain.

Over the past few weeks I've had a chance to listen to many HOT ACs along the I-5 corridor in California for at least a couple of days in each city --- from Redding and Chico, to Sacramento, San Francisco, Bakersfield, and Los Angeles.

Sadly they all sound as if they are using the same 200 song playlist, playing a lot of rythmic product, and sounding extremely repetitive with the recurrent and gold stuff.

Aren't HOT AC listeners sick and tired of "Hey soul sister", "Mr. Brightside", and "Livin' on a prayer"? How much is too much?

Most of these stations use "the 90s" in their imaging, but they rarely play anything from the 90s. I realize the 90s was a difficult decade for music, especially to build a format around it now, but there are plenty of hits that HOT AC could be playing aside from the usual fare. Isn't this supposed to be a variety format?

I can see why the Clear Channel and CBS HOT ACs sound the way they do, but even the smaller and independent stations are doing the same thing. And the heritage HOT AC renegades like WTMX / Chicago and WOMX / Orlando seem to have lost their way.

If you're going to immitate the local CHR, at least try to jump on new music sooner. Good programmers should know what a HOT AC hit is going to be as soon as it's released, and they should also know when to scale it back or drop it altogether. If you know you're going to be playing Lady Gaga's "Judas" for the next five years, why not add it today instead of six weeks from now when the local CHR has dumped it?

Are these the reasons HOT AC is at the middle or bottom half of the ratings chart in most markets, when in reality it should have the potential of being a ratings winner?


Negative ghostrider, the stations are changing with the times. I can easily find you 50 women age 50+ who really enjoy Bruno Mars, Taio Cruz and Ke$ha.

White women, black women, hispanic and asian.

Times are changing. Old school thoughts of HAC and continuing to program like its 1996, especially in larger markets WILL kill you.
 
It seems that good hot AC stations are taking the role of "CHR for adults" as the format becomes more well-defined. It includes tight playlists, just like their CHR counterparts (in quantity, not in actual songs played) with chatter and promotions that are more focused toward adults rather than kids. It's in their best interest to lag a little behind CHR on new music. The hot AC's idea is to let the CHR be the guinea pig -- the proving ground for new music before it makes its way over to the adult radio playing field.

Hot AC is a transitionary format that bridges the gap from CHR to AC/classic hits. Think of each of these formats in terms of a person's life: CHR is the newest, hottest, most up to date; the AC/classic hits are familiar, comfortable, unchanging. Hot AC has defined itself as the format that fits right between those two stages of life.
 
whitfm said:
It seems that good hot AC stations are taking the role of "CHR for adults" as the format becomes more well-defined. It includes tight playlists, just like their CHR counterparts (in quantity, not in actual songs played) with chatter and promotions that are more focused toward adults rather than kids. It's in their best interest to lag a little behind CHR on new music. The hot AC's idea is to let the CHR be the guinea pig -- the proving ground for new music before it makes its way over to the adult radio playing field.

Hot AC is a transitionary format that bridges the gap from CHR to AC/classic hits. Think of each of these formats in terms of a person's life: CHR is the newest, hottest, most up to date; the AC/classic hits are familiar, comfortable, unchanging. Hot AC has defined itself as the format that fits right between those two stages of life.

Well said, and true too.
 
It seems like when the 80s began to die out on a lot of Hot AC's (which I am all for), these stations didn't start putting more emphasis on 90s music (such as 90s, 00s, and now - I hate those kinds of slogans)...seems like they skipped the 90s and sort of became Adult CHR's, like said here.
 
With so many CHRs leaning rhythmic, there's room in the market for a lot of Hot ACs to be "adult CHRs" (and get higher ratings than the 90s/2000s/now-type-HACs)

Ten years ago, there wasn't room in most markets for Hot ACs to be "Adult CHR", cause that would've put them too close musically to the actual CHR

I don't think it's a "midlife crisis", I think it's Hot ACs taking advantage of the hole in the market left by rhythmic-leaning pop stations
 
"AC/classic hits are familiar, comfortable, unchanging." I don't think this is true of AC anymore. I wouldn't describe "Teenage Dream" this way, for example.
 
WRVE in Albany still plays a fair bit of 80s and an occasional 70s track, and just beat mainstream AC WYJB this past ratings book. I personally don't consider WRVE Hot AC, more like a mainstream AC/classic hits hybrid... wonder if WKKF (Kiss FM) should try an Adult CHR format? Doubt WYJB would try it because it's co-owned with a sister CHR, WFLY.
 
atlantaboy said:
danikayser84 said:
wonder if WKKF (Kiss FM) should try an Adult CHR format?

Isn't WKBE doing Modern AC up there? I don't think there's room for an Adult CHR and a Modern AC...
WKBE is a rimshot station from Saratoga/Glens Falls but gets out pretty well... it'd be beneficial for it to simulcast on WKLI-FM (100.9, currently a 1.0-rating Adult Hits format) ;)
 
atlantaboy said:
With so many CHRs leaning rhythmic, there's room in the market for a lot of Hot ACs to be "adult CHRs" (and get higher ratings than the 90s/2000s/now-type-HACs)

Ten years ago, there wasn't room in most markets for Hot ACs to be "Adult CHR", cause that would've put them too close musically to the actual CHR

I don't think it's a "midlife crisis", I think it's Hot ACs taking advantage of the hole in the market left by rhythmic-leaning pop stations

Agreed. I think the best Hot ACs are exploiting the hole left by mainstream CHRs migration towards more rhythmic product by essentially being Adult CHR formatted.

As someone pointed out, this isn't 1996 or even 2001, and music tastes have shifted greatly in the past 20 years. The Modern/Hot AC of 1996 would be AC today, and Hot AC has stepped in to what was previously CHR's dominion- but it sounds right on most Hot AC stations. Today's generations that would be targeted by Hot AC (tail end of the Baby Boomers and Gen X) grew up in an age of Madonna, hair metal, grunge and hip hop. Its not surprising that their music tastes are a little 'harder' than past generations, which grew up during the height of folk rock, disco, singer/songwriters, etc.
 
justpassingthough said:
atlantaboy said:
With so many CHRs leaning rhythmic, there's room in the market for a lot of Hot ACs to be "adult CHRs" (and get higher ratings than the 90s/2000s/now-type-HACs)

Ten years ago, there wasn't room in most markets for Hot ACs to be "Adult CHR", cause that would've put them too close musically to the actual CHR

I don't think it's a "midlife crisis", I think it's Hot ACs taking advantage of the hole in the market left by rhythmic-leaning pop stations

Agreed. I think the best Hot ACs are exploiting the hole left by mainstream CHRs migration towards more rhythmic product by essentially being Adult CHR formatted.

Hey - we agree!! ;D ;D Finally!!
 
atlantaboy said:
justpassingthough said:
atlantaboy said:
With so many CHRs leaning rhythmic, there's room in the market for a lot of Hot ACs to be "adult CHRs" (and get higher ratings than the 90s/2000s/now-type-HACs)

Ten years ago, there wasn't room in most markets for Hot ACs to be "Adult CHR", cause that would've put them too close musically to the actual CHR

I don't think it's a "midlife crisis", I think it's Hot ACs taking advantage of the hole in the market left by rhythmic-leaning pop stations

Agreed. I think the best Hot ACs are exploiting the hole left by mainstream CHRs migration towards more rhythmic product by essentially being Adult CHR formatted.

Hey - we agree!! ;D ;D Finally!!

Haha, where is the fun in that? ;)
 
atlantaboy said:
Radiofornia said:
And the heritage HOT AC renegades like WTMX / Chicago and WOMX / Orlando seem to have lost their way.

WTMX/Chicago is the second most listened to music station in its market (completely annhiliating CHR, AC and Rhythmic)

Instead of saying WTMX has "lost its way", I'd say more stations need to imitate it

Hey atlantaboy, nice to see you on the boards here! Check out the Chicago board for some interesting discussion on our recently blown up modern rock station that is now playing Hot AC music and preparing for a supposed "news/lifestyle" format.

Regarding your comment on the Mix though, yeah, they must be doing something right as their ratings continue to reflect that. But with the lack of a modern rock station in town now, perhaps there is room for a Modern AC station that would eliminate the Rhythmic and espcially rap product that has been creeping up as of late on this station. There may or may not be room for two Hot AC stations in the market, but it's worth a try now as there is a big gap in the market, and not all adult females will listen to Hot AC radio with rap music being played.
 
I'm one of them. I love SXM #10, the Pulse, but will not listen to WOMX anymore with all the Kesha, Tao Cruz, and Black Eyed Peas crap.
 
"Light" Hot AC's (which is an oxymoron) like XM's The Pulse are still around in conservative markets. They are mixing with the Modern AC's to create a sound that is anti-rhythmic leaning. I program a Modern/Hot AC, similar to Pulse, but I'm in a super-conservative market. I think you'll see more Hot AC start to appear in large markets where the alternative station and pop station are worlds apart.
 
^About Modern AC - Mediabase moved a couple of them to the Alternative panel (KUCD/Honolulu and KLCK/Seattle), and 96X/Norfolk is already on the Alternative panel with basically a Modern AC format

I'm wondering if other borderline Modern ACs are gonna follow this trend...
 
In Chicago, there probably is a hole for something like KLCK/KUCD/96X. The Mix is doing extremely well as Adult CHR, XRT is doing decently for a AAA (albeit an older-leaning one), and while Q101 wasn't setting the world on fire, a 2-share in an over-radioed market like Chicago can't just be dismissed.

As a trend though, I don't see it. The problem with the last Modern AC building boom (late 90's) is that companies tried to shoehorn the format into many markets that just couldn't support it. It's a niche format that only works if there's a format hole (would be silly to put Modern AC into a market with an adult and mainstream-leaning Alternative) and the population to actually support it (would be silly to put Modern AC into a market like NYC or Miami).
 
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