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Houston PPM's 12/12

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Big jump for KODA, quite a drop for KSBJ. I would guess people preferred KODA's Christmas tunes over KSBJ's, but this book doesn't include much of that time.

Cumulus has joined the PPM fold as KRBE is again represented with a nearly 4 share, retaking the lead in the CHR war here. Mix just keeps falling and falling and News 92's ratings are really starting to worry me.
 
Longstanding issue with KHMX: I'm not sure what they really are, musically. CBS needs to make changes that will make the station stand out. Currently it is too similar to several other formats in the market, and is lost in the shuffle. KHMX sort of reminds me of kids who mix Play-Doh colors together and wind up with a greyish blob.

Have to give props to KQQK. The 107.9 frequency was a dog for years under various Liberman incarnations, but obviously the Nortena format resonates with Hispanic listeners. It is slightly ahead of sibling La Raza 98.5.

For all the speculation over the future of KKRW, the station's numbers still seem to be well above the Mendoza line, unless CC decides that the demographics are too old.

I wouldn't worry about News92FM...yet. I think Radio One will give it another year. However if revenues don't justify the huge expense of the station, we could see something different in January 2014. And you have to remind yourself that the previous Praise format often hovered around a 3.0. How much are the monster ratings of KMJQ and KBXX subsidizing KROI?

I would be curious to see if NGEN shows up in PPMs from the SW side where the 99.5 signal is strong.
 
Mediafrog+ said:
Longstanding issue with KHMX: I'm not sure what they really are, musically. CBS needs to make changes that will make the station stand out. Currently it is too similar to several other formats in the market, and is lost in the shuffle. KHMX sort of reminds me of kids who mix Play-Doh colors together and wind up with a greyish blob.

For all the speculation over the future of KKRW, the station's numbers still seem to be well above the Mendoza line, unless CC decides that the demographics are too old.

I wouldn't worry about News92FM...yet. I think Radio One will give it another year. However if revenues don't justify the huge expense of the station, we could see something different in January 2014. And you have to remind yourself that the previous Praise format often hovered around a 3.0. How much are the monster ratings of KMJQ and KBXX subsidizing KROI?

My take: KHMX is already losing ground when they have KKHH (the sister station) playing similar songs, and it's long standing rival KRBE which has been edging ground lately. I'm willing to bet that there will be a format change in the future for that station.

KKRW might want to go AAA in my honest opinion if it ever wants to survive.

News92FM is likely to stay no matter what, it serves as somewhat of a purpose having it be the only left-of-center news service for the Houston area.
 
rgradio said:
News92FM is likely to stay no matter what, it serves as somewhat of a purpose having it be the only left-of-center news service for the Houston area.

To which KPFT and (some would say) KUHF might disagree.
 
Mark Jeffries said:
rgradio said:
News92FM is likely to stay no matter what, it serves as somewhat of a purpose having it be the only left-of-center news service for the Houston area.

To which KPFT and (some would say) KUHF might disagree.

KPFT is "far-left-ish", but I stand corrected about KUHF. It's an NPR affiliate.
 
One thing I've noticed is that when Kidd Kraddick was dropped from KHMX the ratings went down.

Big mistake for them?
 
I think the big drop for KSBJ is significant. One can wonder about KSBJ's Christmas music format and if the new competitor has taken a bite. I sometimes wonder if one can research themselves into a tiny box, seemingly perfect, that winds up sounding like plain vanilla against the other 30 flavors offered. Perhaps another month or two to determine if this was a fluke would be the right move. With that said, I'd be looking hard at what I'm doing and trying to identify the weak spots. At the least, it is time to play smart. We have all seen those at the top of the ratings flounder after the years and years of success make one think it could never happen. While KSBJ is not on my presets (nor the other guys), I recognize KSBJ can easily be credited with making Contemporary Christian music a viable format in radio and they helped other stations along the way as well.

News 92's ratings are lower than I would have projected. I would think TSLs would be fairly low but I think the bottom line of this costly investment in programming is revenue. I think the bottom line will rule over ratings. It is possible to have better ratings with a cheap to run format but the question is what produces the most revenue not just in the short term but the long term. News always seems to be a good seller, sold more on the audience itself than the number tuned in at any given format. Talk/News formats can always claim commercials are not the interruption nor negative as they are to a portion of the music format listeners. I'd think 92.1 will remain a fixture on the Houston radio dial. Since we have yet to see a major event happen in Houston since the format's inception, I have to ponder what might happens to ratings in the book following a hurricane threatening the gulf coast. A reputation for being the 'go to' guys sure solidifies your image in the listener's minds. I suspect News 92 being the unduplicated format on the dial assures longterm success as far as revenue is concerned. Some compare KUHF and KTRH to News 92 but in reality they are pretty far removed from one another. In my mind they are not the same.
 
bturner said:
I think the big drop for KSBJ is significant. One can wonder about KSBJ's Christmas music format and if the new competitor has taken a bite. I sometimes wonder if one can research themselves into a tiny box, seemingly perfect, that winds up sounding like plain vanilla against the other 30 flavors offered. Perhaps another month or two to determine if this was a fluke would be the right move. With that said, I'd be looking hard at what I'm doing and trying to identify the weak spots. At the least, it is time to play smart. We have all seen those at the top of the ratings flounder after the years and years of success make one think it could never happen. While KSBJ is not on my presets (nor the other guys), I recognize KSBJ can easily be credited with making Contemporary Christian music a viable format in radio and they helped other stations along the way as well.

It only takes one listen to Air-1 to make one extremely dissatisfied with the praise and worship format on KSBJ. Yes - I am calling it praise and worship, with a little AC CCM thrown in once in a while. I've programmed Christian music, I know the subtleties in the format, and I am qualified to say KSBJ has been praise and worship for at least 15 years. When the first came on the air, under the wise leadership of Buddy Holiday, their format was Hot-AC CCM, with Christian rock on Saturday nights. After Buddy Holiday was unceremoniously walked out of the station he created, the whole Hosanna Integrity praise and worship stuff took over - to the detriment of the CCM format. I fought it as hard as I could on the station I was on in Florida, but it had the backing of conservative churches all over the country who did NOT like Christian rock music, and thought it was corrupting the minds of the youth in their churches. So much for the mandate Buddy Holiday gave that KSBJ would never sell out - it would always be the station for young people. Old people had KHCB, and it was time for young people to have a station. They sold out to praise and worship. It may rate well, it may rake in donations from everybody attending the mega-churches, but young people were left completely without Christian radio to serve them. This happened nationwide - CCM stations abandoned young people to retreat into the safety of adult, conservative church member audiences. And they were quite successful in doing so.

There is just one little problem in all of this. Something called the great commission. It doesn't call on Christians to retreat into the comfort zone of our own little cliques - even if they have 20,000 check writing members. It calls on Christians to reach out to unbelievers. As much as an anathema as praise and worship music is to me as a Christian who remembers the golden age of CCM - before the dumbing down and lukewarmness - praise and worship has ZERO appeal to non-Christians. AC-CCM, hot-AC CCM, and Christian rock have appeal to non-Christians, because they are creative, fun to listen to, and mimic music that people are familiar with. It is very easy to convince someone to try out a Christian rock station - nearly impossible to convince them to try a praise and worship station.

So - yes - the observation that KSBJ has focused grouped themselves into a corner is very astute. The mega-churches in Houston are growing younger in demographic by the day, I can promise you that the teens and young professionals are not tuning in KSBJ. The genie is out of the bottle - and it goes by many names: Air-1, streaming, and even NGEN. For the lucky folks living near an NGEN translator, if they are under 50 - one listen and it is bye-bye KSBJ and hello NGEN, love at first listen. KSBJ can thank somebody in their creative department for coming up with the idea for NGEN - it was probably to shut up the Christian rock fans, but they may soon find it is their future. How long it will take - for NGEN to become their primary format and the praise and worship to become their secondary is anybody's guess, but it is inevitable. Praise and worship is a dying format, I think you will find KSBJ's ratings erosion is more due to deaths in their audience and lack of younger listeners replacing them - but NGEN has the potential to reverse that trend. For now, with the no NGEN over the air signal in the massively affluent, younger areas of Houston like Cypress, the Woodlands, Conroe, the younger listeners are probably going to secular competition. They need to fix that, and HD-2 isn't the answer. Neither is streaming - they need an over the air signal that covers the North part of Harris county and south part of Montgomery county. I think if they did - NGEN would start showing in the ratings just as WPOZ's other formats are starting to show in Orlando ratings. I'd give praise and worship another ten years at most before the ratings flip completely to things like NGEN for Christians. Christian stations better line up with where God is moving, or they will be left behind.
 
Mediafrog+ said:
Longstanding issue with KHMX: I'm not sure what they really are, musically. CBS needs to make changes that will make the station stand out. Currently it is too similar to several other formats in the market, and is lost in the shuffle.

I know I'm out of market, but looking at Mix's playlist and its ratings, I think the problem is just the opposite, i. e. too much Alternative stuff that most other Hot ACs don't play, or don't play as frequently - I'm not sure why CBS can't figure out that this is the reason they're losing horribly to KRBE, in a conservative market at that

Every other Top 20 market (besides Puerto Rico) has at least one successful Hot AC station - and the difference between KHMX and the other stations, musicwise, is flagrantly obvious
 
rbrucecarter5 said:
For now, with the no NGEN over the air signal in the massively affluent, younger areas of Houston like Cypress, the Woodlands, Conroe, the younger listeners are probably going to secular competition. They need to fix that, and HD-2 isn't the answer. Neither is streaming - they need an over the air signal that covers the North part of Harris county and south part of Montgomery county.

KSBJ could buy KTHT or KHPT (or both) for NGEN and/or move the main signal to a Class C rimshot. KHPT could very well go back to Christian programming again. Radio One could buy one of them for News 92 to reach up north; KTHT could end up simulcasting KROI again.
 
KTN Corp said:
KSBJ could buy KTHT or KHPT (or both) for NGEN and/or move the main signal to a Class C rimshot. KHPT could very well go back to Christian programming again. Radio One could buy one of them for News 92 to reach up north; KTHT could end up simulcasting KROI again.

KSBJ couldn't afford KHPT. It is not a rimshot.

KTHT, which IS a rimshot, might be within KSBJ's financial means, given the fire sale prices 97.5 and 103.7 went for a few months ago. I sort of doubt Cox would unload it unless they were to acquire a better signal in the market (KRBE?)

A northern simulcast probably wouldn't help News92FM very much. Added expense of another transmitter for an expensive format that has yet to really prove itself. KVST would probably be a decent choice for such an arrangement, but we haven't heard anything about New Wavo shopping the station around.

Speaking of KTHT, today (January 2) is the tenth anniversary of the launch of the Country Legends format, IIRC.
 
Legends proved that you don't really have to stunt. When you fade out of "Back That Azz Up" into David Allen Coe, you'll effectively cleanse whatever audience you had in the first note... or make them crack open a cold one and turn it up.
 
Country Legends 10 years, and the Point lasted 10 years equals two words: Format Change. Why? It's Cox. The All New Power 97.1 Hip Hop and R&B (only 20 songs in rotation!!!) oh oh the secrets out!!! :)
 
willdav713 said:
Country Legends 10 years, and the Point lasted 10 years equals two words: Format Change. Why? It's Cox. The All New Power 97.1 Hip Hop and R&B (only 20 songs in rotation!!!) oh oh the secrets out!!! :)

And Cox can save even more money because all they need is 20 songs! The cost savings will enable them to keep their present live on air staff on board for the new format.

Besides, who would know the difference? ;D
 
willdav713 said:
Country Legends 10 years, and the Point lasted 10 years equals two words: Format Change. Why? It's Cox. The All New Power 97.1 Hip Hop and R&B (only 20 songs in rotation!!!) oh oh the secrets out!!! :)

Not happening, not enough hip hop fans in KTHT's broadcasting range (no inner city areas or suburbs). A AOR format might do well there.
 
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