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How about 2 format changes for CBS?
- Thread starter Parttimer
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Well Dave, I respect your tastes, but regardless, you must admit that they are still relevant and now have a crossover appeal.
Can I ask what station you listen to now?
Can I ask what station you listen to now?
Why did CBS Radio change this station to K-Rock from B 93.7 anyways? Maybe if they went back to a Top 40 station as B 94 they would do better maybe.
Ken said:
Two words for the original format switch..... Howard Stern.
Please God, no more Dave Matthews. Anywhere. Please. Unless it's in a fire and burning quickly.
As to why DVE doesn't play more Bon Jovi -
Bon Jovi is the Great Divide. After Bon Jovi got popular, metal stopped being about guys rocking out (see: Dio, Ozzy etc) and turned into pretty guys singing power ballads for swooning girls (see: Warrant, White Lion etc).
I still remember one of my friends bitching at the height of hair metal because DVE wasn't playing anything "new" - I think it was because DVE didn't want to play that stuff because it was just too wussy. It's OK for Michelle to play it on the Electric Lunch, but that's because she's a chick.
In other words - Bon Jovi are not considered "rock" by many people - they are "pop." I'm guessing if you asked a lot of DVE's DJs why they don't play more Bon Jovi, they'd say "for the same reason we don't play more Whitney Houston."
As to why DVE doesn't play more Bon Jovi -
Bon Jovi is the Great Divide. After Bon Jovi got popular, metal stopped being about guys rocking out (see: Dio, Ozzy etc) and turned into pretty guys singing power ballads for swooning girls (see: Warrant, White Lion etc).
I still remember one of my friends bitching at the height of hair metal because DVE wasn't playing anything "new" - I think it was because DVE didn't want to play that stuff because it was just too wussy. It's OK for Michelle to play it on the Electric Lunch, but that's because she's a chick.
In other words - Bon Jovi are not considered "rock" by many people - they are "pop." I'm guessing if you asked a lot of DVE's DJs why they don't play more Bon Jovi, they'd say "for the same reason we don't play more Whitney Houston."
Yet they play Def Leppard (the ONE exception to the points I've been making), and my latest look at the playlist says the last song they played was "Take the Money and Run" by Steve Miller.
I love Steve Miller- but if Bon Jovi is too pop, that's not?
Also- I will tell you that I don't know if your historical perspective is correct. I remember circa 1990 hearing Slaughter and Manitoba's Wild Kingdom (THERE IS A BAND FROM THE PAST!) on WDVE. Regular playlist.
Not to sound like an old fogie, but that was the era when WDVE didn't get No. 1 by default but they EARNED it- beating out KDKA for a book or two. It seemed as if every car had a WDVE sticker on it and front license plates selling for $5 at Beacon Auto Parts sold like hot cakes.
Paulsen and Krenn were new and fresh. You could walk through Market Square and hear people reciting their bits.
Okay, I'm waxing WAAAAAY too poetic and really, I think I've said all I can on this subject.
But if "Bad Medicine," "You Give Love a Bad Name," "Runaway" and all of those songs aren't hard rockers along the lines of "Rainbow in the Dark" by Dio or "Shot in the Dark" by Ozzy- I don't know what is!
I know the point you're making, but surely you would admit to compare Bon Jovi to Whitney Houston is absurd!
Don't hate Bon Jovi (or for that matter Warrant and White Lion) because they are beautiful!!!!!
I love Steve Miller- but if Bon Jovi is too pop, that's not?
Also- I will tell you that I don't know if your historical perspective is correct. I remember circa 1990 hearing Slaughter and Manitoba's Wild Kingdom (THERE IS A BAND FROM THE PAST!) on WDVE. Regular playlist.
Not to sound like an old fogie, but that was the era when WDVE didn't get No. 1 by default but they EARNED it- beating out KDKA for a book or two. It seemed as if every car had a WDVE sticker on it and front license plates selling for $5 at Beacon Auto Parts sold like hot cakes.
Paulsen and Krenn were new and fresh. You could walk through Market Square and hear people reciting their bits.
Okay, I'm waxing WAAAAAY too poetic and really, I think I've said all I can on this subject.
But if "Bad Medicine," "You Give Love a Bad Name," "Runaway" and all of those songs aren't hard rockers along the lines of "Rainbow in the Dark" by Dio or "Shot in the Dark" by Ozzy- I don't know what is!
I know the point you're making, but surely you would admit to compare Bon Jovi to Whitney Houston is absurd!
Don't hate Bon Jovi (or for that matter Warrant and White Lion) because they are beautiful!!!!!
Don't get me wrong. I love Bon Jovi. I went to see him and screamed like a 16 year old when I got to touch his hand. However, I'm not a 50 year old male disc jockey.
Def Leppard gets a pass because their drummer only has one arm. Also - I think Slaughter is a little harder than what I'm talking about.
Like I said - I'm putting myself in the DVE DJs' shoes - not saying this is how I feel - I do agree it's silly of them not to play BJ, but just floating a theory that this may be the reasoning behind it.
Def Leppard gets a pass because their drummer only has one arm.
Also - I think Slaughter is a little harder than what I'm talking about.Like I said - I'm putting myself in the DVE DJs' shoes - not saying this is how I feel - I do agree it's silly of them not to play BJ, but just floating a theory that this may be the reasoning behind it.
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Radio_Realist
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But if "Bad Medicine," "You Give Love a Bad Name," "Runaway" and all of those songs aren't hard rockers along the lines of "Rainbow in the Dark" by Dio or "Shot in the Dark" by Ozzy- I don't know what is!
I know the point you're making, but surely you would admit to compare Bon Jovi to Whitney Houston is absurd!
But since when have radio programmers paid any attention to what the music actually sounds like? Someone issues a pronouncement from on high that such-and-such an act is henceforth classified as "pop", and from that day forward, anything and everything recorded by that act is considered "pop" regardless of what it sounds like.
I know the point you're making, but surely you would admit to compare Bon Jovi to Whitney Houston is absurd!
But since when have radio programmers paid any attention to what the music actually sounds like? Someone issues a pronouncement from on high that such-and-such an act is henceforth classified as "pop", and from that day forward, anything and everything recorded by that act is considered "pop" regardless of what it sounds like.
Pratte4Life said:
When I'm not listening to 96.1 Kiss, I'm usually listening to my CD collection. I got an iPod for Christmas, so I'll be listening to even less of Pittsburgh radio in the near future. ;D
I actually enjoyed Star 100.7 for about a few months back in the summer of 2004 (right after the B-94 flip to K-Flop). But it didn't take very long to realize they played the same artists and same songs by those artists over and over again. I don't want to ever hear Bon Jovi or John Melloncamp ever again as long as I live!
It is a shame how radio has changed from the days I was on the mic, you know, when you actually cued up a 45 or 33 on a turntable, posted an intro or had a good segue into another song. Of course back then, each jock was allowed to choose their music, so each shift sounded different as to each jocks taste, which made a great variety. It also proved in the ratings just who the good jocks were. I for myself programmed the heavier edge in the Altoona market more in the afternoon, evening, and ended up pulling a station from the bottom to 2nd place in the Altoona market in 86. We are talking Dokken, Dio, Whitesnake, Warrant, Kiss, Zeppelin, Ratt, Crue, etc, and people LOVED it, both male and female, 25-54.
I have to say when DVE was owned locally, it was FANTASTIC! It was everywhere in PA and beyond. In fact, the only way to get DVE in Altoona was on the cable, and believe it or not, when you went shopping in the stores in the mall, you heard DVE, and I was up against them, ON CABLE NO LESS!
When CC came into the limelight and started taking over many stations, corporate started all programming rules and choosing music, which ended real radio, because now, it wasn't a CHOICE anymore of the listeners as to what they wanted, but a DECISION from higher up as to what they will hear. Bad move. I think that is what started the loss of FM radio. You might as well put 6 various compilation CD's in your own disc player, set it on repeat mode, and let it roll, because that is pretty much the same as radio nowdays, except for the "real programming" like the electric lunch, etc.
When K Rock came on, I thought maybe it was going to go head to head with DVE as it did start out well, but as time went on, I think they tried to "take over" other stations/formats and put in a little alternative, pop, and others with the classic stuff, WHICH DOES NOT WORK, except for scattering listeners. With BOB formats, you can do that because people expect that, but not on a true classic rock station.
If there is any comfort in this, fear not, the Philadelphia and Harrisburg classic rockers are down the hole too. Once again, nothing as good as the "old" days of radio, which will never be seen or experienced by the youth of today.
Enough of my babble. Enjoy and have a good day.
I have to say when DVE was owned locally, it was FANTASTIC! It was everywhere in PA and beyond. In fact, the only way to get DVE in Altoona was on the cable, and believe it or not, when you went shopping in the stores in the mall, you heard DVE, and I was up against them, ON CABLE NO LESS!
When CC came into the limelight and started taking over many stations, corporate started all programming rules and choosing music, which ended real radio, because now, it wasn't a CHOICE anymore of the listeners as to what they wanted, but a DECISION from higher up as to what they will hear. Bad move. I think that is what started the loss of FM radio. You might as well put 6 various compilation CD's in your own disc player, set it on repeat mode, and let it roll, because that is pretty much the same as radio nowdays, except for the "real programming" like the electric lunch, etc.
When K Rock came on, I thought maybe it was going to go head to head with DVE as it did start out well, but as time went on, I think they tried to "take over" other stations/formats and put in a little alternative, pop, and others with the classic stuff, WHICH DOES NOT WORK, except for scattering listeners. With BOB formats, you can do that because people expect that, but not on a true classic rock station.
If there is any comfort in this, fear not, the Philadelphia and Harrisburg classic rockers are down the hole too. Once again, nothing as good as the "old" days of radio, which will never be seen or experienced by the youth of today.
Enough of my babble. Enjoy and have a good day.
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feeball
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Yeah Chuck I got to agree with you. If these companies had people who knew how good the old school sounded, maybe things would change. Doubt it though. The current radio scene is boring, dull, and needs changed.
Realist- Agreed.
Dave- It's different strokes for different folks. I don't expect the Kiss listener to like Bon Jovi any more than I expect the WDVE listener to like Michael Bolton (the very NAME sends a shiver of terrifying disgrace down my spine).
Clang- I think you may have put up the post of the topic regarding K-Rock.
Is there ANY way you could start programming a rock station in Pittsburgh?
PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSEEEEEEEE??????????????
Dave- It's different strokes for different folks. I don't expect the Kiss listener to like Bon Jovi any more than I expect the WDVE listener to like Michael Bolton (the very NAME sends a shiver of terrifying disgrace down my spine).
Clang- I think you may have put up the post of the topic regarding K-Rock.
Is there ANY way you could start programming a rock station in Pittsburgh?
PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSEEEEEEEE??????????????
CBS should have put Jack on 93.7 the day Stern left. Now that they've decided to throw that frequency out of the window with an uneven format attached to it they could try the same on 100.7. Doesn't really matter. Unless there are major changes in the food chain over there we'll be having this same arguement in about 18 months if not sooner.
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feeball
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Snafu said:
This will be an on-going thing with the CBS Radio cluster in Pittsburgh. Jack would be helpful to try and chip away at BOB FM's ratings, but it probably won't make too much of a difference overall in the ratings. They might pull a 3.0 with a Jack FM station, but anything higher than that would be miraculous. I would imagine expectations for Free FM's ratings has to be extremely low and if they are not, they are fooling themselves.
feeball said:
I think Snafu was saying that CBS should have put on a Jack-FM on 93.7 when Stern left, not now, which I agree with, its too late for that format. Bob has the bragging rights at this time. Should be interesting to see the next book. Bob-FM type stations usually peak about 1.5 to 2 years after they start in major markets in the U.S. and Canada.
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feeball
Guest
Yeah Steel I get that, but keep in mind this is CBS Radio and they are usually a day late and a dollar short. I really do not feel that a diatribe is necessary for me to point out every miniscule shortcoming.
Question- If K-Rock didn't dent WDVE's ratings, then why would a second JACK coming on the scene late dent BOB's?
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