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How come most providence stations are using 8500s and not Omnia or Optimod 8100

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92.3 orban 8400 and it sounds awful the worst sounding station in providence
93.3 orban 8500
94.1 orban 8500
95.5 orban 8500
98.1 wctk technically not a providence station but running orban optimod 8100
101.5 orban 8400
105.1 orban 8200
106.3 orban optimod 8100 can't believe that Citadel dump a optimod 8100 on 1kw signal
107.1 wfhn not a providence station but best sound in southern new england running omnia6 and i wish they had a 50,000 watt signal


can't believe theirs no variety and not competing for the best sound. Can't believe that no one are using optimod 8100 or omnia on one of big radio stations. :'(
 
I'll agree on WFHN sounding great. Before they upgraded to HD Radio, their old processing used to distort on bass intense songs. If the AGC was allowed to release enough before a beat kicked in, you used to be able to hear distortion when heavy bass kicked in until the AGC attacked more. I remember this when I used to do weekends there and I tried to keep the music around 0db (not going into the red on the board) so it wouldn't sound as distorted. No one else seemed to notice this problem, but it was like that for years. Currently however, it sounds the BEST it has ever sounded in my opinion. Too bad 97.3 WBSM-FM was sold in the late 1970s! Would have been great if they kept it. It could have been Fun 97 with a nice 50,000 watt signal. :)
 
Hey, the 8100's beautiful but not everyone's interested in tinkering with old gear. The 8600 sounds gorgeous, and Bob Orban said upgrades for the 8500's should start shipping mid-year. If tweaked by the right ears, any optimod can sing beautifully.

I've always been of the opinion that it's not the processor you use, it's how you use it.
 
reelyreal said:
I've always been of the opinion that it's not the processor you use, it's how you use it.
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In some stations the processor is under lock and key and the chief engineer has the only key.

In others the processor is under lock and key and the program director has the only key.

Guess which one gets the most FCC citations?

Of course there ARE those who allow free access to the processor but they're usually bird-fed and there's nobody
in the building who would recognize a processor if it bit them in the..........
 
VelvetR said:
reelyreal said:
I've always been of the opinion that it's not the processor you use, it's how you use it.
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In some stations the processor is under lock and key and the chief engineer has the only key.

In others the processor is under lock and key and the program director has the only key.

Guess which one gets the most FCC citations?

Of course there ARE those who allow free access to the processor but they're usually bird-fed and there's nobody
in the building who would recognize a processor if it bit them in the..........
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There are MANY programming personnel that know what they're doing with an Optimod.....
 
Adam Rivers said:
VelvetR said:
reelyreal said:
I've always been of the opinion that it's not the processor you use, it's how you use it.
Click to expand...

In some stations the processor is under lock and key and the chief engineer has the only key.

In others the processor is under lock and key and the program director has the only key.

Guess which one gets the most FCC citations?

Of course there ARE those who allow free access to the processor but they're usually bird-fed and there's nobody
in the building who would recognize a processor if it bit them in the..........
Click to expand...

There are MANY programming personnel that know what they're doing with an Optimod.....
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Yeah but the Optimod sounds bad with newer music because stupid Loudness war and the record companys. Optimod only sounds good if you feed then Vinyl. Look how much damage the Loudness war did.:'( Now it looks Like A brick.

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I think omnia is the only way to go on newer music because they Limit and not compress it like Optimod does. Some times omnia 6 doesn't even Limit at all because of damage that cause the Loudness war.
 
I think I'll just stay with my repeatedly updated Aphex 2020.

Nice having presets according to the daypart; much different for talk than for "current" than for rock off vinyl, etc. So long
as you can trust board ops to stick to the presents. Nice, too, to know that none of the presets violate rules. Cobble it up
right and the automation can do the selections on schedule.

Fun, too, having a Belar modulation and stereo monitor package that allows checking up on the competition from time to time. Sometimes makes me wonder whether one, in particular, has set any parameter to other than "MAXIMUM".
 
Yeah but the thing i don't like about digital Optimods is that inflated balloon sound like is forcing music on to people.
 
Misty water color MEMMMORIES....

Bring back the Audimax/Volumax one-two punch, and feed 'em hot. And just-a-TOUCH of the Fairchild springbox. JUST-enough that it's not flat.
 
Re: Misty water color MEMMMORIES....

Holland Cooke said:
Bring back the Audimax/Volumax one-two punch, and feed 'em hot. And just-a-TOUCH of the Fairchild springbox. JUST-enough that it's not flat.
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Yeah, but for AM, add a Kahn asymmetric box after all that.
 
Loudness wars are just one of many reasons that programmers should never be allowed access to the audio chain. A true radio broadcast engineer ALWAYS strives for equal board/air sound. The listener has bass and treble. The talent has a production studio for audio creativities. What you currently hear on the radio is proof positive that program people have no business dicking with any audio beyond the console!
 
RE "programmers should never be allowed access to the audio chain"

And WHATEVER you do, DON'T let the dang consultant anywhere NEAR that rack...











Just kidding.
 
If stations would adjust their discronification equipment we wouldn't have near the loud distortion heard on the radio these days. With a properly set up discronificator, even AM radio sounds good.
 
flytrap said:
If stations would adjust their discronification equipment we wouldn't have near the loud distortion heard on the radio these days. With a properly set up discronificator, even AM radio sounds good.
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Alas! What station can afford the necessary and exorbitant flux condenser calibration fees for such a critical tweak?
 
Back in the day all that was unnecessary provided one of the many staff engineers tended to neutralization.

Of the transmitter....not of the program director.
 
Is all your information correct? I was driving through the area on the way to Boston last night and tuned to 106.3 to hear the 8100 on the air. IF it is an 8100, it's got some help in the front in the form of an Ariane, card 0 installed, and the Cobalt Blue card or an RCF-2 in it, with the help of a composite clipper. Maybe the 8100 is a back up? The vocals were too clean and the bass too up front to be an 8100 at least to my ears. I've tuned a lot of them and know what they sound like, and this sounded louder and cleaner than an 8100.

OR it has an XT2, then it COULD be an 8100. But it's certainly not an 8100 without an XT2.
 
WNTIRadio said:
Is all your information correct? I was driving through the area on the way to Boston last night and tuned to 106.3 to hear the 8100 on the air. IF it is an 8100, it's got some help in the front in the form of an Ariane, card 0 installed, and the Cobalt Blue card or an RCF-2 in it, with the help of a composite clipper. Maybe the 8100 is a back up? The vocals were too clean and the bass too up front to be an 8100 at least to my ears. I've tuned a lot of them and know what they sound like, and this sounded louder and cleaner than an 8100.

OR it has an XT2, then it COULD be an 8100. But it's certainly not an 8100 without an XT2.
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Next time you "tune up" an audio processor, please insert a 1khz rectangular wave into the mic input of the console and channel 1 of a dual trace scope. Feed the mod monitor output to channel 2 of scope. Please post display pix showing it looks as good as it sounds!
 
WNTIRadio said:
Is all your information correct? I was driving through the area on the way to Boston last night and tuned to 106.3 to hear the 8100 on the air. IF it is an 8100, it's got some help in the front in the form of an Ariane, card 0 installed, and the Cobalt Blue card or an RCF-2 in it, with the help of a composite clipper. Maybe the 8100 is a back up? The vocals were too clean and the bass too up front to be an 8100 at least to my ears. I've tuned a lot of them and know what they sound like, and this sounded louder and cleaner than an 8100.

OR it has an XT2, then it COULD be an 8100. But it's certainly not an 8100 without an XT2.
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106.3 was also feeding 75us pre-emphasis composite into their hd signal so that tells me it's a analog processor.
 
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