Since she is syndicated by premier and not jones radio network how come clear channel doesn't put her on kost at night.Yes i admit very sappy and a bit much at times. And i for the most part like indie and kroq and 91x but she does play some cool light rock tunes you never here on the light rock stations across the country?
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How come since clear channel owns delilah why doesn't kost have it?
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a. because KOST has "love songs"...a local program...and doesn't need syndicationhotpatrick2004 said:Since she is syndicated by premier and not jones radio network how come clear channel doesn't put her on kost at night.Yes i admit very sappy and a bit much at times. And i for the most part like indie and kroq and 91x but she does play some cool light rock tunes you never here on the light rock stations across the country?
b. Delilah is mid-market caliber at best
hotpatrick2004 said:Since she is syndicated by premier and not jones radio network how come clear channel doesn't put her on kost at night.Yes i admit very sappy and a bit much at times. And i for the most part like indie and kroq and 91x but she does play some cool light rock tunes you never here on the light rock stations across the country?
a. because KOST has "love songs"...a local program...and doesn't need syndication
b. Delilah is mid-market caliber at best
romer979fm said it best, but lets expand. Some years ago when KOST and KBIG were still head to head competitors Delilah was on KBIG for about a year. Karen Sharp cleaned her clock!
For one thing Delilah ticked off callers from Southern California by keeping them on hold forever, only to dispense advice that the caller didn't ask for or want. Plus, if you think a local show is hard to get in on, try calling a national show. Oh, and as romer979fm stated, "Delilah is mid-market caliber at best"... Lovesongs has been a successful Southland show for a lot longer than Delilah has been on the air. LSOTC is an original, while Delilah is a pale copy who got lucky with syndication. She's most successful in smaller markets, especially in the Bible Belt. She's okay for smaller stations who want to sound better than they could on there own, but she usually has rough going in the majors...
She was on then 92.7 Lite FM(Now Jill FM) for about 6 months. They didn't do anything with her either, so they went back to a local host!
Of course, 92.7 is now a Jukebox, but even then, Delilah would rate lower then the Jukebox!
Of course, 92.7 is now a Jukebox, but even then, Delilah would rate lower then the Jukebox!
Yeah, small markets like where she started in Seattle. That's in the Bible Belt, right?
calguy said:For one thing Delilah ticked off callers from Southern California by keeping them on hold forever, only to dispense advice that the caller didn't ask for or want. Plus, if you think a local show is hard to get in on, try calling a national show.
For one, most people never call, and they do know it is hard to get through. Listeners are not stupid.
Oh, and as romer979fm stated, "Delilah is mid-market caliber at best"... Lovesongs has been a successful Southland show for a lot longer than Delilah has been on the air. LSOTC is an original, while Delilah is a pale copy who got lucky with syndication.
She "got lucky" with incredible ratings in markets like seattle, Washington DC, Phoenix, Little Rock, Tucson, Las Vegas, West Palm, Atlanta, Chicago, Indianapolis, Lousiville, Minneapolis, St. Louis, Omaha, Albany, Rochester, Syracuse, Cincy, Cleveland, Columbus, Nashville, Memphis, Milwaukee, Madison, and about 250 others.
That is not luck, that is incredible talent.
She's most successful in smaller markets, especially in the Bible Belt. She's okay for smaller stations who want to sound better than they could on there own, but she usually has rough going in the majors...
That just is not true. Some stations are able to do a good job with a night concept show and do not like the differences in the music (the main issue at KOST) but stations that do consider nights to be "a separate radio station" have very good ratings with Delilah.
Bible Belt? Most of her big stations are anywhere but the Bible Belt.
For one thing Delilah ticked off callers from Southern California by keeping them on hold forever, only to dispense advice that the caller didn't ask for or want. Plus, if you think a local show is hard to get in on, try calling a national show. [/quote]
For one, most people never call, and they do know it is hard to get through. Listeners are not stupid.
When was the last time you answered the request lines? People do call and they have a much more difficult time trying to get on the air competing with a national audience. That's a fact.
Oh, and as romer979fm stated, "Delilah is mid-market caliber at best"... Lovesongs has been a successful Southland show for a lot longer than Delilah has been on the air. LSOTC is an original, while Delilah is a pale copy who got lucky with syndication.
She "got lucky" with incredible ratings in markets like seattle, Washington DC, Phoenix, Little Rock, Tucson, Las Vegas, West Palm, Atlanta, Chicago, Indianapolis, Lousiville, Minneapolis, St. Louis, Omaha, Albany, Rochester, Syracuse, Cincy, Cleveland, Columbus, Nashville, Memphis, Milwaukee, Madison, and about 250 others. That is not luck, that is incredible talent.
Incredible? I don't agree. Plus she has less competition now with consolidation. Not so all those years ago.
She's most successful in smaller markets, especially in the Bible Belt. She's okay for smaller stations who want to sound better than they could on there own, but she usually has rough going in the majors...
That just is not true. Some stations are able to do a good job with a night concept show and do not like the differences in the music (the main issue at KOST) but stations that do consider nights to be "a separate radio station" have very good ratings with Delilah. Bible Belt? Most of her big stations are anywhere but the Bible Belt.
Why yes, now that she's on Premiere/CC Stations she eliminated much of the competition, so she has surely improved her stature. But do you mean to say that she's not doing well in more smaller stations than large? Doubtful. She still got hammered by KOST and that's a fact too. Her act doesn't fly everywhere.
For one, most people never call, and they do know it is hard to get through. Listeners are not stupid.
When was the last time you answered the request lines? People do call and they have a much more difficult time trying to get on the air competing with a national audience. That's a fact.
Oh, and as romer979fm stated, "Delilah is mid-market caliber at best"... Lovesongs has been a successful Southland show for a lot longer than Delilah has been on the air. LSOTC is an original, while Delilah is a pale copy who got lucky with syndication.
She "got lucky" with incredible ratings in markets like seattle, Washington DC, Phoenix, Little Rock, Tucson, Las Vegas, West Palm, Atlanta, Chicago, Indianapolis, Lousiville, Minneapolis, St. Louis, Omaha, Albany, Rochester, Syracuse, Cincy, Cleveland, Columbus, Nashville, Memphis, Milwaukee, Madison, and about 250 others. That is not luck, that is incredible talent.
Incredible? I don't agree. Plus she has less competition now with consolidation. Not so all those years ago.
She's most successful in smaller markets, especially in the Bible Belt. She's okay for smaller stations who want to sound better than they could on there own, but she usually has rough going in the majors...
That just is not true. Some stations are able to do a good job with a night concept show and do not like the differences in the music (the main issue at KOST) but stations that do consider nights to be "a separate radio station" have very good ratings with Delilah. Bible Belt? Most of her big stations are anywhere but the Bible Belt.
Why yes, now that she's on Premiere/CC Stations she eliminated much of the competition, so she has surely improved her stature. But do you mean to say that she's not doing well in more smaller stations than large? Doubtful. She still got hammered by KOST and that's a fact too. Her act doesn't fly everywhere.
remember two things when posting:
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David is always correct
and #3 of 2...he never sleeps
you're always wrong
David is always correct
and #3 of 2...he never sleeps
romer979fm said:remember two things when posting:
you're always wrong
David is always correct
and #3 of 2...he never sleeps
To say that Delilah is mostly successful in smaller Bible Belt markets is just patently absurd. Try firing at the person who is truly wrong, not the one who actually presents some facts.
Oh, I am not in your time zone, either.
For one, most people never call, and they do know it is hard to get through. Listeners are not stupid.
When was the last time you answered the request lines? People do call and they have a much more difficult time trying to get on the air competing with a national audience. That's a fact.
I have actually been in the training for the screener for our Recuerdo network night "love songs" show, which is in 12 markets, including 4 of the top 10. Sure, people call. But callers on that kind of show are a tiny percentage of the audience. Our night show cumes around 1.5 million, and we take, maybe, 30 calls a night. So nobody has a real expectation of being on the air. Everyone waits.
Oh, and as romer979fm stated, "Delilah is mid-market caliber at best"... Lovesongs has been a successful Southland show for a lot longer than Delilah has been on the air. LSOTC is an original, while Delilah is a pale copy who got lucky with syndication.
Incredible? I don't agree. Plus she has less competition now with consolidation. Not so all those years ago.
Consolidation and 80-90 has increased competiton because there exists the ability to create ad-hoc nets of many markets, often in the same company.
That just is not true. Some stations are able to do a good job with a night concept show and do not like the differences in the music (the main issue at KOST) but stations that do consider nights to be "a separate radio station" have very good ratings with Delilah. Bible Belt? Most of her big stations are anywhere but the Bible Belt.
Why yes, now that she's on Premiere/CC Stations she eliminated much of the competition, so she has surely improved her stature. But do you mean to say that she's not doing well in more smaller stations than large? Doubtful. She still got hammered by KOST and that's a fact too. Her act doesn't fly everywhere.
No show flys everywere. There will be local heritage, or the station does not give the new show time to develop. Perosnality shows, morning or night, take 18 months. How long did KBIG give Delilah?
I think Delilah is an incredible concept, well executed technically, and it generally does far better than Mr. Audio Vault.
When was the last time you answered the request lines? People do call and they have a much more difficult time trying to get on the air competing with a national audience. That's a fact.
I have actually been in the training for the screener for our Recuerdo network night "love songs" show, which is in 12 markets, including 4 of the top 10. Sure, people call. But callers on that kind of show are a tiny percentage of the audience. Our night show cumes around 1.5 million, and we take, maybe, 30 calls a night. So nobody has a real expectation of being on the air. Everyone waits.
Oh, and as romer979fm stated, "Delilah is mid-market caliber at best"... Lovesongs has been a successful Southland show for a lot longer than Delilah has been on the air. LSOTC is an original, while Delilah is a pale copy who got lucky with syndication.
Incredible? I don't agree. Plus she has less competition now with consolidation. Not so all those years ago.
Consolidation and 80-90 has increased competiton because there exists the ability to create ad-hoc nets of many markets, often in the same company.
That just is not true. Some stations are able to do a good job with a night concept show and do not like the differences in the music (the main issue at KOST) but stations that do consider nights to be "a separate radio station" have very good ratings with Delilah. Bible Belt? Most of her big stations are anywhere but the Bible Belt.
Why yes, now that she's on Premiere/CC Stations she eliminated much of the competition, so she has surely improved her stature. But do you mean to say that she's not doing well in more smaller stations than large? Doubtful. She still got hammered by KOST and that's a fact too. Her act doesn't fly everywhere.
No show flys everywere. There will be local heritage, or the station does not give the new show time to develop. Perosnality shows, morning or night, take 18 months. How long did KBIG give Delilah?
I think Delilah is an incredible concept, well executed technically, and it generally does far better than Mr. Audio Vault.
OldGringo said:For one, most people never call, and they do know it is hard to get through. Listeners are not stupid.
When was the last time you answered the request lines? People do call and they have a much more difficult time trying to get on the air competing with a national audience. That's a fact.
I have actually been in the training for the screener for our Recuerdo network night "love songs" show, which is in 12 markets, including 4 of the top 10. Sure, people call. But callers on that kind of show are a tiny percentage of the audience. Our night show cumes around 1.5 million, and we take, maybe, 30 calls a night. So nobody has a real expectation of being on the air. Everyone waits.
Oh, and as romer979fm stated, "Delilah is mid-market caliber at best"... Lovesongs has been a successful Southland show for a lot longer than Delilah has been on the air. LSOTC is an original, while Delilah is a pale copy who got lucky with syndication.
Incredible? I don't agree. Plus she has less competition now with consolidation. Not so all those years ago.
Consolidation and 80-90 has increased competiton because there exists the ability to create ad-hoc nets of many markets, often in the same company.
That just is not true. Some stations are able to do a good job with a night concept show and do not like the differences in the music (the main issue at KOST) but stations that do consider nights to be "a separate radio station" have very good ratings with Delilah. Bible Belt? Most of her big stations are anywhere but the Bible Belt.
Why yes, now that she's on Premiere/CC Stations she eliminated much of the competition, so she has surely improved her stature. But do you mean to say that she's not doing well in more smaller stations than large? Doubtful. She still got hammered by KOST and that's a fact too. Her act doesn't fly everywhere.
No show flys everywere. There will be local heritage, or the station does not give the new show time to develop. Perosnality shows, morning or night, take 18 months. How long did KBIG give Delilah?
I think Delilah is an incredible concept, well executed technically, and it generally does far better than Mr. Audio Vault.
Guess you and I just don't agree. I have MY opinion, YOU have yours. She had a year at KBIG, and 6 more months wouldn't have mattered. She couldn't buy ratings in LA. And with the competition at KHHT added, she wouldn't have a prayer. Neither KOST or KHHT are using Audio Vault. They're on Prophet and they're live for their night shows, yes even Art Laboe is live from his own studio in Hollywood. She may be using an incredible concept, but it's not original, even if it is well executed. I'm sure you'll have more to say, but for me, it's end of subject. The bottom line is that she didn't win in LA.
OldGringo said:romer979fm said:remember two things when posting:
you're always wrong
David is always correct
and #3 of 2...he never sleeps
To say that Delilah is mostly successful in smaller Bible Belt markets is just patently absurd. Try firing at the person who is truly wrong, not the one who actually presents some facts.
Perhaps YOU could try firing at the person that made the Bible Belt statement: wasn't me.
I work in a "Bible Belt" city. You have not made the usual Bible Belt assumptions posted here, and most (but not all) of the Bible Belt stereotypes are wrong.
As for the time zones..you are in my time zone when you travel to your Texas stations!
Oh, I am not in your time zone, either.
romer979fm said:OldGringo said:romer979fm said:remember two things when posting:
you're always wrong
David is always correct
and #3 of 2...he never sleeps
To say that Delilah is mostly successful in smaller Bible Belt markets is just patently absurd. Try firing at the person who is truly wrong, not the one who actually presents some facts.
Perhaps YOU could try firing at the person that made the Bible Belt statement: wasn't me.
I work in a "Bible Belt" city. You have not made the usual Bible Belt assumptions posted here, and most (but not all) of the Bible Belt stereotypes are wrong.
As for the time zones..you are in my time zone when you travel to your Texas stations!
Oh, I am not in your time zone, either.
Can't fire me, I don't work for David. But holy crap, who knew that saying she was mostly successful in the bible belt would upset David so. My opinion was based on facts presented to me back when Delilah entered the Los Angeles market by a highly respected Programmer who I believe from all that I've read on this site has David's respect. I won't name him, because he doesn't need the bad publicity, but I believed him to be correct by looking at her affiliate list and numbers at the time. David, you have a lot of facts and figures at your disposal, but like a lot of us, you have opinions that many don't take as fact. Like many here, you present what YOU believe to be correct. I respect your opinions most of the time, but I'm not going to back away from what I believe either... If anything, my information might have been out of date. But this thread was started by asking why she's not on KOST, and as I've stated before, and I'm correct about this, she got beat badly by KOST when on KBIG, and moving her to KOST would be a huge mistake. Now I'm really done with this thread...
calguy said:Can't fire me, I don't work for David. But holy crap, who knew that saying she was mostly successful in the bible belt would upset David so. My opinion was based on facts presented to me back when Delilah entered the Los Angeles market by a highly respected Programmer who I believe from all that I've read on this site has David's respect. I won't name him, because he doesn't need the bad publicity, but I believed him to be correct by looking at her affiliate list and numbers at the time. David, you have a lot of facts and figures at your disposal, but like a lot of us, you have opinions that many don't take as fact. Like many here, you present what YOU believe to be correct. I respect your opinions most of the time, but I'm not going to back away from what I believe either... If anything, my information might have been out of date. But this thread was started by asking why she's not on KOST, and as I've stated before, and I'm correct about this, she got beat badly by KOST when on KBIG, and moving her to KOST would be a huge mistake. Now I'm really done with this thread...
And all I said is that KOST would not have considered her, anyway, as Jhani would not have let anyone else control the music in my opinion and in that of several people who have worked with him. We know at the time KBIG was playing the part of a KOST wannabe, and not doing such a bang up job anyway.... still, talent driven shows usually need well over a year to work in any form of AC or AC hybrid unless the show is just crossing the street.
Before Delilah moved to Premiere, the stations were pretty balenced in the West, Bible Belt and north of the Mason Dixon line. Any changes with premiere are mostly due to the compesation agreemnts, according to IR and RBR. I don't see that her style is particularly sensitive to regional differences, so am curious from a programming perspective what you see in it.
And all I said is that KOST would not have considered her, anyway, as Jhani would not have let anyone else control the music in my opinion and in that of several people who have worked with him. We know at the time KBIG was playing the part of a KOST wannabe, and not doing such a bang up job anyway.... still, talent driven shows usually need well over a year to work in any form of AC or AC hybrid unless the show is just crossing the street.
Before Delilah moved to Premiere, the stations were pretty balenced in the West, Bible Belt and north of the Mason Dixon line. Any changes with premiere are mostly due to the compesation agreemnts, according to IR and RBR. I don't see that her style is particularly sensitive to regional differences, so am curious from a programming perspective what you see in it.
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That's true, Jhani would never have given up control of the music, but even more, he would never have blown up a show that for years has been a jewel in the KOST crown, if not the crown itself.
I agree that personality shows need more than 12 months to work, but she really was a failure at KBIG and it's doubtful more time would've helped her against the machine that is Lovesongs On The Coast.
You're also right in my opinion that her style isn't sensative to a region. From a programming standpoint I don't think that it's so much a regional thing. It just happens that she's in a lot of smaller markets in certain regions, and does well in them because the competion is poor. I've heard lovesongs shows in many cities that are so badly done than it's easy to see why she can do well against them...
Before Delilah moved to Premiere, the stations were pretty balenced in the West, Bible Belt and north of the Mason Dixon line. Any changes with premiere are mostly due to the compesation agreemnts, according to IR and RBR. I don't see that her style is particularly sensitive to regional differences, so am curious from a programming perspective what you see in it.
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That's true, Jhani would never have given up control of the music, but even more, he would never have blown up a show that for years has been a jewel in the KOST crown, if not the crown itself.
I agree that personality shows need more than 12 months to work, but she really was a failure at KBIG and it's doubtful more time would've helped her against the machine that is Lovesongs On The Coast.
You're also right in my opinion that her style isn't sensative to a region. From a programming standpoint I don't think that it's so much a regional thing. It just happens that she's in a lot of smaller markets in certain regions, and does well in them because the competion is poor. I've heard lovesongs shows in many cities that are so badly done than it's easy to see why she can do well against them...
calguy said:That's true, Jhani would never have given up control of the music, but even more, he would never have blown up a show that for years has been a jewel in the KOST crown, if not the crown itself.
Interestingly, today, there are two love songs programs that beat KOST... in Womewn 18+.
OldGringo said:calguy said:That's true, Jhani would never have given up control of the music, but even more, he would never have blown up a show that for years has been a jewel in the KOST crown, if not the crown itself.
Interestingly, today, there are two love songs programs that beat KOST... in Womewn 18+.
Yes, the LA radio landscape has changed, but KOST is still getting a great boost from their Lovesongs show. I think it's just a fact that the competition has learned how to do this type of program as well so they can now fight fire with fire. KOST has given them a great example for more than 2 decades...
calguy said:
Interestingly, today, there are two love songs programs that beat KOST... in Women 18+.
Yes, the LA radio landscape has changed, but KOST is still getting a great boost from their Lovesongs show. I think it's just a fact that the competition has learned how to do this type of program as well so they can now fight fire with fire. KOST has given them a great example for more than 2 decades...
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Actually, I was referring to KLVE and KRCD (with programs based on those of WFID and WPRM in Puerto Rico) that, together, get about a 13 share of women at night. But we do have variants in English such as Art Laboe with his lorider dedications and such.
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