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How come the owner of cd 101 has never sold out to the big boys??????????

He is selling cd 101 in a way but only moving it to a bigger signal and giving the city a 24/7 classical station. Not my thing but kudos to doing that. So my question is why hasnt the owner ever sold out to clear channel or mainline or any of the big boys? I mean i am sure he would make a nice chunk of change then playing cool alt music???

I am quite happy he does not sell and sticks his finger if that is the case to the coporate world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or does he just believe in his format and enjoy it that much and the $$ is not that big a deal just wondering

Tanks hotpatrick out

Responses would be nice to get
 
Since the start, owner Roger Vaughan -- who is presumably pretty well off -- has considered 101 a "labor of love."  It's largely his personal hobby and plaything, which is not to say that is programmed 100% to his personal taste (maybe only 93 %  ;)).  The station even positions itself as being "anti-corporate" and proud of being homegrown.  Vaughan fired up this Grove City class A back in the early 90's, roughly modeled after longtime-success AAA KCBO near Denver -- a station he really admired.  101 just wasn't making it as an AAA, so he took it adult-leaning Alternative, and subsequently more-mainstream Alternative (though still somewhat more eclectic than most).  While the local focus is laudable, it's been a very amateurish operation from the start.  BTW, I believe Vaughan is an attorney -- not 100% positive.
 
I'm still trying to figure out Roger's end game with 102.5.

He is not buying it, if all the reports out there are to be believed. It sounds like he's just LMAing or leasing. Will he eventually buy it, or is it just giving WHIZ Media Group some extra cash because no one will pay whatever price they are asking for 102.5?

Remember, they upgraded and moved the thing when radio prices were a lot higher.

And WOSU is paying just $2.5 million up front for 101.1, with the rest over 20 years! I bet the WHIZ folks were hoping for a few million more in cash, until the market fell apart, and still hope to get more for 102.5 than WOSU paid for 101.1, even the $5.7 million total.
 
OhioMediaWatch said:
And WOSU is paying just $2.5 million up front for 101.1, with the rest over 20 years!



It's none of my business, but I'm still trying to figure out the logic on that one.....
 
C414B said:
OhioMediaWatch said:
And WOSU is paying just $2.5 million up front for 101.1, with the rest over 20 years!

It's none of my business, but I'm still trying to figure out the logic on that one.....

It is kind of odd, but I guess CD101 needs a cash injection right now and this was the only way to get it. That upfront payment will run the station for a while, then the payments will kick in as well. I guess he figures OSU isn't going anywhere soon and they are good for the money. 20 years is a long time though.
 
Props to them not selling out ever. 20 years strong while most other frequencies got watered down/corporate. I don't listen much but good for them on the signal upgrade.
 
Someone on the blog asked why WOSU didn't buy WHKC/91.5, with a much better signal than 101.1, and (at last check) owned by Robb Case's widow.

Perhaps the nature of the deal with OSU business school grad Roger Vaughan sealed the deal...$2.5 million up front, the rest in easy payments over 20 years.
 
OhioMediaWatch said:
Someone on the blog asked why WOSU didn't buy WHKC/91.5, with a much better signal than 101.1, and (at last check) owned by Robb Case's widow.

Perhaps the nature of the deal with OSU business school grad Roger Vaughan sealed the deal...$2.5 million up front, the rest in easy payments over 20 years.

Perhaps because OSU is a much bigger deal in Columbus, than Clear Channel, R1, and everybody else...

Status quo...the university strengthens it's hold on the community, providing a service, and allowing them to move forefront in the eyes of those old line families that are important. The purchase of the station insures them power, prestige, more donations, etc, as they probably will make much more money, and get much more power, running it as a "free classical station"

Thinking Sports, A friend asked me the other day, why there were no major professional sports franchises in Columbus. His comment, ask the University. I didn't understand it either, till you really look at it

So thinking Radio???
 
Those are good points, but it would seem that being stuck with a "may be able to pick it up in some parts of town if you twist the antenna the right way" signal might kinda deflate that high-powered OSU image, rather than reinforce it.
 
knowbetter said:
Thinking Sports, A friend asked me the other day, why there were no major professional sports franchises in Columbus. His comment, ask the University. I didn't understand it either, till you really look at it

I know the NHL isn't on the same level as the NFL, the NBA or major-league baseball... but the Blue Jackets ARE a professional sports franchise. (I won't include the Crew, simply because the MLS is practically non-existent in every way possible... they still exist, I take it?) Plus there is Cleveland and Cincinnati on either end. Now, both of those cites were far larger than Columbus when they landed their respective pro sports teams decades ago, but a team like the Blue Jackets could never attract enough attention in either of those towns to be remotely viable.

The Blue Jackets are a perfect fit in Columbus, even with The Ohio State University getting the lion's share of the attention.

As for WHKC, it's possible that Robb Case's widow may be holding onto the station for sentimental purposes. I couldn't blame her if that was the case.
 
Nu_Roo_2 said:
Those are good points, but it would seem that being stuck with a "may be able to pick it up in some parts of town if you twist the antenna the right way" signal might kinda deflate that high-powered OSU image, rather than reinforce it.

I suspect with their dollars and expertise, they can fix it.
 
Geez, boys, what's with all the assumptions in this thread? If you ever listened to WOSU (guessing the "how come" subject line is a clue some of you aren't in its demographic), you'd know that they added NPR news magazines in morning and afternoon drive to the powerful signal on 89.7, which had been 24 hr classical music for decades. Kinda had to, since that's the core programming for most public radio listeners.

Having the news and talk programs on AM820 just wasn't drawing the level of listenership they should expect for a market the size and composition of Columbus. That's because it's AM, with a lower nighttime signal prone to lots of interference from the super strong skywave signal of WBAP. Too bad, however, for the scattered rural and smaller town listeners who can pick up AM 820 during the day for well over 100 miles away, and who usually have classical music outlets as their only public radio choice during the day.

And WOSU, despite having better audio quality, has had a hard time beating WCBE in the ratings for some time now. 90.5 also runs the NPR news mags, albeit with different local inserts, and also depends on that as the core of its audience appeal, and listener support. (Its adult alt music format middays has become too uneven in recent years, in my opinion, to sustain the station as its primary programming. And they've been running without adequate staffing for at least 10 years now. Yet 'CBE still "beats" WOSU in the overall ratings, even when they had serious technical issues with their signal (ie, an audible whine over the signal for at least a year).)

With these moves, WOSU will easily be able to become the dominant NPR affiliate in Columbus on 89.7, and the people who lamented not having classical music in drive time get it back on a not-as-good, but certainly not out of market, signal on 101.1 Just too bad the WWCD transmitter is in the south surburbs, which doesn't match so well with the typical classical demographics of Upper Arlington, Bexley, Dublin, Worthington, etc. But the signal shouldn't be too bad in-house in German Village, Short North and on campus, and most areas within the 270 outerbelt.

The bigger, unanswered question for WOSU AM820 listeners is what happens to the weekend bluegrass music? It draws a significant audience for the AM station, albeit one that is largely different from the listenship for the rest of the station's new and talk programming. It's not such a good match for an all-talk NPR station to run all-bluegrass dayparts on the weekends, so I wouldn't expect it to continue with its 12 hours a week on 89.7 when the change takes effect. Or maybe at all.

Frankly, one of the half dozen commercial country stations in the area would be smart to hire one or more of the bluegrass hosts from WOSU, pronto, and offer a speciality show or two on the weekends with them. Maybe not 6pm-Midnight Saturdays and Sundays, as they now get on AM820, but certainly there's an audience, and prospective advertisers, for a bluegrass show or two in central Ohio. And maybe on a nice clean FM signal, for a change. (Tho' I think bluegrass is one of the few music formats that sounds OK on a decent AM signal.)

Too bad there isn't room for an all-jazz FM outlet in Columbus now, as well. It won't probably ever be a "top ten" format, but, then, only ten stations can ever do that, and not everyone listens to the few formats the corporate commercial guys are comfortable offering.
 
The important signal here is 89.7, not 101.1.

WOSU will live with the signal gap between 101.1 and the Marion repeater.

It's 89.7 getting the full market FM ride that is driving the bus here.
 
Goldilocks94941 said:
The bigger, unanswered question for WOSU AM820 listeners is what happens to the weekend bluegrass music? It draws a significant audience for the AM station, albeit one that is largely different from the listenship for the rest of the station's new and talk programming. It's not such a good match for an all-talk NPR station to run all-bluegrass dayparts on the weekends, so I wouldn't expect it to continue with its 12 hours a week on 89.7 when the change takes effect. Or maybe at all.

Frankly, one of the half dozen commercial country stations in the area would be smart to hire one or more of the bluegrass hosts from WOSU, pronto, and offer a speciality show or two on the weekends with them. Maybe not 6pm-Midnight Saturdays and Sundays, as they now get on AM820, but certainly there's an audience, and prospective advertisers, for a bluegrass show or two in central Ohio. And maybe on a nice clean FM signal, for a change. (Tho' I think bluegrass is one of the few music formats that sounds OK on a decent AM signal.)

I'd guess that those shows stay with the apparent 89.7/820 simulcast. It would be a bit of a stretch seeing those show on an all-classical 101.1, while there have been NPR talk stations that have offered like-formatted music blocks on the weekend (WAMU/Washington, DC being the most notable).

Yes, Kent State's classical WKSU-FM also offers blues and bluegrass on Saturday nights, but they also have the typical must-carry NPR drive-time talk offerings, so they aren't a full-time classical station.
 
WAMU dropped the bluegrass, IIRC, but they were running it weekdays.

I can see WOSU keeping the weekend stuff, though...I don't think the news/talk move to 89.7 will affect weekend specialty shows.

I asked WOSU's PR lady about the changes...will post an item on it soon. Basically, 820 stays as it is after the 89.7 change (for now), and that they will evaluate the repeater stations aside from Marion separately. Marion, of course, is flipping to the classical service to serve areas north of C-bus...
 
OhioMediaWatch said:
WAMU dropped the bluegrass, IIRC, but they were running it weekdays.

I can see WOSU keeping the weekend stuff, though...I don't think the news/talk move to 89.7 will affect weekend specialty shows.

I can see AM 820 running the weekend stuff while 89.7 airs NPR-fare... Since they currently have a seperate automation system for the classical aired on the HD service.. it would be studio wise easily possible to keep running the bluegrass and other speciality programming on the AM while the FM airs 24/7 NPR.
 
A somewhat similar situation here in Boston, with independently-owned (since 1983) alternative rock station, 101.7 WFNX. Everyone always speculating "When will FNX flip to Spanish, when will they sell it." Although just like CD was on 101.1, WFNX is a Class A signal from outside the city, the station owner (and also owner of the Boston Phoenix) Stephen Mindich has balked and turned down supposed generous offers for his signal, which in recent years has upgraded and now has x-mitter location in downtown Boston. The scenario is eerily similar for CD. Local indie alternative class A doing their own thing regardless of the others. Glad CD is going strong into 2010 and beyond!
 
OK, I'm sure this is a dumb question, but when it comes to technical and regulatory issues I have some major knowledge gaps:

I know that for many years CD101 was trying to arrange a transmitter swap with WCBE, which broadcasts from the top of the LeVeque. But if 101 was eligible to broadcast from downtown, why couldn't it have just moved to the Dispatch tower?
 
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