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How do they do that?

Re: Coverage

> RPO seems to have the coverage one would expect from an
> LPFM.
>

I have received WINF clear down near Mt. Sterling in Pickaway county on several different occasions (not likely due to prop enhancement). This "59 Watt" signal has to travel from Delaware to Columbus, cross the entire metro, then make it down to Pickaway County and be received clearly on a generic car radio with a rated sensitivity of about 2uV. Considering that some of the local Class A's (like TEDand WODB) don't do a whole lot better than that down there....WINF aint runnin no 59 Watts!

They have a 4-bay antenna side mounted on the old FM tower behind the WDLR studio. This antenna appears to be up about 100-120 feet or so above ground. Like previous posters have stated 59W ERP is 59W ERP no matter what ratio of antenna gain to tranny TPO is used to obtain it. Maybe their engineer misread the license document and is running an erp of 590 Watts {;>)
 
Re: Coverage

> I have received WINF clear down near Mt. Sterling in
> Pickaway county on several different occasions (not likely
> due to prop enhancement). This "59 Watt" signal has to
> travel from Delaware to Columbus, cross the entire metro,
> then make it down to Pickaway County and be received clearly
> on a generic car radio with a rated sensitivity of about
> 2uV. Considering that some of the local Class A's (like
> TEDand WODB) don't do a whole lot better than that down
> there....WINF aint runnin no 59 Watts!
>

Ive got them out in licking county before (where WNKO is their 1st adj)

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Re: Coverage

> > I have received WINF clear down near Mt. Sterling in
> > Pickaway county on several different occasions (not likely
>
> > due to prop enhancement). This "59 Watt" signal has to
> > travel from Delaware to Columbus, cross the entire metro,
> > then make it down to Pickaway County and be received
> clearly
> > on a generic car radio with a rated sensitivity of about
> > 2uV. Considering that some of the local Class A's (like
> > TEDand WODB) don't do a whole lot better than that down
> > there....WINF aint runnin no 59 Watts!
> >
>
> Ive got them out in licking county before (where WNKO is
> their 1st adj)

That WNKO seems to throw a considerable null towards Urbana likely helps. You can barely hear Kool 101.7 by the time you hit New Albany, Westerville and Polaris, but it has a real decent signal in every other direction.
 
Re: offtopic HAAT

> Picky point, but the Dayton station on 103.9 is CC'a
> alternative WXEG. All I know about them is that they are a
> Class A CC alternative licensed to Beavercreek, and they
> seem to have much better coverage than Ted. (Or were you
> just saying that you switch over from 104.3 TUE to 103.9
> after TUE starts to fade?)

Yea I thought about that point after I posted... I switch Bob and Tom when I lose TUE on the east side of Springfield and I can pick up TDA at about the same point I lose TUE. Sorry about that.
 
Re: Coverage

> > I have received WINF clear down near Mt. Sterling in
> > Pickaway county on several different occasions (not likely
>
> > due to prop enhancement). This "59 Watt" signal has to
> > travel from Delaware to Columbus, cross the entire metro,
> > then make it down to Pickaway County and be received
> clearly
> > on a generic car radio with a rated sensitivity of about
> > 2uV. Considering that some of the local Class A's (like
> > TEDand WODB) don't do a whole lot better than that down
> > there....WINF aint runnin no 59 Watts!
> >
>
> Ive got them out in licking county before (where WNKO is
> their 1st adj)
>
I get them in bellefonate all the time!!! They used to interfere with t102 around mad river mtn.!
 
Re: Coverage

> That WNKO seems to throw a considerable null towards Urbana
> likely helps. You can barely hear Kool 101.7 by the time you
> hit New Albany, Westerville and Polaris, but it has a real
> decent signal in every other direction.
>

Yeah I can sometimes get the Country station from Urbana on 101.7 in Dublin sometimes.

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Calling Out A Poster's Accusation

> Oh ya, they've beening running illegal for a few years now!
> Don't let anyone else on here tell you otherwise for any
> reason. They'll get caught one of these days.

Who are you, and what is your proof?

No, "I can hear them on my radio at X location" is not proof.

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Re: Calling Out A Poster's Accusation

> > Oh ya, they've beening running illegal for a few years
> now!
> > Don't let anyone else on here tell you otherwise for any
> > reason. They'll get caught one of these days.
>
> Who are you, and what is your proof?
>
> No, "I can hear them on my radio at X location" is not
> proof.
>
> -OA
>
read the threads buddy...as I've said before(that means the past.)I can hear the station in bellefonataine loud and clear!!!!!! They used to interfere with WIMT just past Bellfonataine! As you can read from the other posts....oh ya..they putting out more power than what they are allowed. What's your stakeholders position in this matter? Just because it's under the auspices of a government group, doesn't mean that they're not breaking laws! Come down from summit county and take a listen.....take a sunday cruise. Just how far is delaware from bellefontaine anyway? I'll let you do the math.
Merry Christmas,
MAT
 
No, Sorry, That's Not Proof

> What's your stakeholders position in this matter? Just
> because it's under the auspices of a government group,
> doesn't mean that they're not breaking laws! Come down from
> summit county and take a listen.....take a sunday cruise.
> Just how far is delaware from bellefontaine anyway? I'll let
> you do the math.

OK, so you're using anecdotal observations. That's not proof. That's anecdotal. There could be any number of reasons the signal gets out farther than you think it should, some of which have already been discussed on this very thread.

Until you get a qualified engineer out there with field strength measurements and anything even remotely resembling proof, you have none. And quite frankly, even though it's on a message board, basically accusing the WINF-LP folks of breaking FCC rules without any proof is not a good idea on so many levels.

And I have not even the *slightest* connection to the 101.9 operation in Delaware, either with the county folks who started it, or the religious operator running it now. I just felt that your blatant accusation of rulebreaking was out of place without anything more than your own listening observations. If you can get actual documented proof, one way or another, feel free to post it.

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Re: No, Sorry, That's Not Proof

> >

>
I find it funny that you pick on me about this:) There's no arguing with you...you're out to pick one(argument.)

God Bless you and have a Merry Christmas and many blessings next year.
MAT
 
Let's Be Fair Here

> I find it funny that you pick on me about this:) There's no
> arguing with you...you're out to pick one(argument.)

Look, I'm really not trying to pick on you.

But...you made a very strong accusation that a legally licensed LPFM operator was, in your words, "running illegal" and "breaking laws". You didn't say "hmm, from what I can hear, it sounds like they're stronger than they should be". You accused them of breaking the very rules that govern this business of ours.

I thought that was out of place, and felt the need to call you on it. You have no proof other than anecdotal observations, and I didn't think it was fair to those operating the station.

If you hadn't have worded it so strongly, and been so "sure" of it ("Everyone's known for years that they've been running illegal! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise!" Again, YOUR wording, not mine), I'd have not posted my reply. If you'd said it sounded like they were getting out farther than you thought they should, I'd have been silent.

That's all I'll have to say about this. If you end up being correct, and they get in trouble for anything, feel free to come back here and let us know.

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