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How far do your local AM's go during the day?

Since my FM thread is proving to be popular, I wonder: how far cna your local AM stations be received during the day? At night most AM's are different animals than during the day when other stations inhabit the dial. I'll start us off

KMOX 1120 is a signal one would think that would travel a great distance during the day, but I've lost it a mere 80 miles from Saint Louis on the way to Columbia.

KTRS 550 is a real flamethrower, I could get them clearly across the state in Kansas City. In Illinois the signal has been tracked to near Chicago before splatter from WIND starts to overtake it.

KJSL 630 has been received in Springfield, MO albeit scratchy.

KSTL 690 fades before Columbia, its tower is located right next to the Poplar Street Bridge.

KWRE 730 is heard past Columbia and fades quickly thereafter

WEW 770 is barely audible before Columbia.
 
KFUO 850 has been received to near KC.
WGNU 920 becomes inaudible past Columbia.
KXEN 1010 is a real blowtorch, unfortunately the signal is aimed down I-44 and the signal drops like a rock before Kingdom City.
WRYT 1080 is lost way before Columbia.
KQQZ 1190 like KXEN its signal is aimed down 44 and is generally inaudible before Columbia.
KLPW 1220 Becomes inaudible by the time your reach Fulton.
WSDZ 1260 Fades out in Columbia
KSIV 1320 becomes inaudible before Columbia
KWMO 1350 Weak signal that cannot be heard in Columbia.
KSLG 1380 is a relatively weak signal
KZQZ 1430 Cannot be heard in Columbia.
KHOJ 1460 lost it before Columbia.
WQQX 1490 has a hard time even being heard at my house.
WBGZ 1570 lost before Montgomery County.
KATZ 1600 lost it before Columbia.
 
In Raleigh/Durham:

540 WETC wide regional coverage during the day, though not quite city grade in parts of the market with 8,000 watts. They have a CP to increase their daytime power, but whether it gets built remains to be seen

570 WQDR off-air since April due to tornado damage, but its 1000-watt signal covered the market, though not city grade outside of Wake County. If their application is approved to move to the WPTF tower site, their signal to the west will expand by 10 miles.

620 WDNC 5000-watt signal covers the market and the eastern part of the state. Can be heard in Hampton Roads, VA and all along the NC coast (including remote Hatteras Island) during the day and well into the Triad to the west. Third best signal in the market.

680 WPTF 50,000-watt non directional signal heard well over most of the state as well as SC and VA.

750 WAUG 500-watt signal similar to coverage of WQDR.

850 WKIX 10,000-watts non-dir. days covers central and eastern NC well. Second best signal in the market.

1000 WRTG 1,000-watt signal very audible, but weakens outside of Wake County

1030 WDRU 50,000-watt directional covers Triangle and points east very strongly. They let out their pattern a bit to the west for better Durham and Orange County coverage a few years back.

1240 WPJL 1,000-watt signal similar to WRTG. Inaudible in parts of West Durham due to IF WDNC

1310 WTIK 5,000 watt directional to the NW and SE covers region sufficiently, though a bit weak in parts of Wake.

1360 WCHL 5,000 watt non-dir day signal very audible across the Triangle, but noticeably weak outside of southern Orange and SW Durham. inaudible arouond West Raleigh due to IF WPTF.

1410 WRJD 5,000 watt directional signal is very strong to the southeast (can listen to them in Wilmington easily) with a lobe over Granville and Vance counties, but in northern Durham County you can hear ROanoke's WRIS or Pittsburgh's KQV underneath it.

1490 WDUR 1,000 watt signal very strong in central and south Durham, gets weaker into Wake and northern orange counties.

1530 WLLQ 10,000-watt dir to the southeast. Covers market adequately, though weaker outside of lobe

1550 WCLY 1,000-watt signal also knocked off air by April tornado, but on a temporary antenna. Easily the weakest of the market's AM signals, Barely audible in most of Durham with other 1550s underneath.
 
I used to get both KTRS and KMOX reliably and at equal strength in Iowa City.

As for our 4 Ottawa AMs:

580 CFRA is almost as clear as a local in Montreal. Makes it to Kingston, but I can't remember how strong it was as it's been years since I've tuned it in there. I was up in the Laurentians a couple of weeks ago and it was the 2nd strongest AM station there. lighting up 1 out of 7 on the CC Radio..which is the equivalent of a clear but weak signal.

1200 CFGO was about half strength in Montreal. I was told by many you can't hear it at all there. No problems as far as I was concerned. Again I was able to hear it in Kingston. Strongest of all AMs in the Laurentians. 2 out of 7 which is getting closed to city grade signal.

1310 CIWW. Weak, but intelligible in Montreal. Same in Kingston. Slightly weaker than CFRA but easily listenable in the Laurentians. 1 out of 7

1670 CJEU. Barely a trace of a signal in Montreal. Only 1000 watts and ground conductivity is po0r here. Trace of a signal in the Laurentians again. Did not light up anything on the signal meter.

1350 has only tested it's transmitter once during the afterno0n..and again I'm not sure if that was the thousand watt daytime signal or the 135 or so watt night signal. Not an impressive showing. Montreal's CKGM had a better signal. If it gets up and running by the time I go to Montreal again in a month, I'll report back on it here.
 
signal, I live north of Chicago & KTRS can be heard here during the day-- Best of all the St Louis signals during the day. KMOX obviously best at night.
 
Columbus isn't the best market for AMs, but here goes ...
610: The best example of how ground conductivity varies in different directions from here. Even across the bad areas, it gets out 150 miles to the east and south. I've heard it well northwest of Indy daytime, and it gets almost to Detroit (200 or more miles).
820, 880: About the same as 610. 820 is 5K; I believe 880, a daytimer, is 10K.
920: Very directional. I've heard it on State Route 2 between Port Clinton and Toledo daytime but it's a tough listen as close as Lancaster, Newark and Chillicothe, 30-40 miles from its tower at the 270/71 intersection in Grove City.
1230: Listenable for 60 miles in any direction, but has problems with 1230s in Cincinnati and Toledo as well as a 1240 in Zanesville.
1460: Nice for 5K that high up. Makes it about 90 miles in most directions before fading; a little less to the southeast because of the bad ground conductivity.
1580: Don't listen enough to tell.
 
schmave said:
Columbus isn't the best market for AMs, but here goes ...
610: The best example of how ground conductivity varies in different directions from here. Even across the bad areas, it gets out 150 miles to the east and south. I've heard it well northwest of Indy daytime, and it gets almost to Detroit (200 or more miles).
820, 880: About the same as 610. 820 is 5K; I believe 880, a daytimer, is 10K.
920: Very directional. I've heard it on State Route 2 between Port Clinton and Toledo daytime but it's a tough listen as close as Lancaster, Newark and Chillicothe, 30-40 miles from its tower at the 270/71 intersection in Grove City.
1230: Listenable for 60 miles in any direction, but has problems with 1230s in Cincinnati and Toledo as well as a 1240 in Zanesville.
1460: Nice for 5K that high up. Makes it about 90 miles in most directions before fading; a little less to the southeast because of the bad ground conductivity.
1580: Don't listen enough to tell.

I have heard your Columbus 610 during the day north of Chicago.
 
I was in East Lansing, Michigan the other day and I heard WIND 560 quite well, with some interference from WRDT Monroe, Michigan, radioman148. It seems to actually be stronger than the radio locator map would indicate, which is much less than 150 uV/m. I don't know if this has always been the case, but I've noticed this over the last year or so.
 
Schroedingers Cat said:
I was in East Lansing, Michigan the other day and I heard WIND 560 quite well, with some interference from WRDT Monroe, Michigan, radioman148. It seems to actually be stronger than the radio locator map would indicate, which is much less than 150 uV/m. I don't know if this has always been the case, but I've noticed this over the last year or so.

I'm not sure about WIND, but I do have a question for you Schroedinger, do you receive any of the 50KW Chicago stations in eastern Michigan during the day? Feel free to correct me, but I think you said you're not too far from Detroit.
 
Radioman148, We receive WSCR, WGN, WBBM, WLS, and WMVP. They fall off very rapidly between a line connecting Flint and Ann Arbor and the Detroit area. WAIT/WCPT and WYLL/WJJD also used to be heard in the daytime are still there probably, but covered up and difficult to hear due to WCXI 1160 and CHAM 820. I suspect that WIND was always there, but perhaps weaker. WKTA/WEAW 1330 skywave would often blast in just prior to sunset. I have a signoff tape somewhere of WEAW made just three miles from the WTRX towers.
 
In my area, with the poor ground conductivity, WMAL 630 in DC barely reaches the Norfolk area, and can be heard in Richmond.

The 570 in the DC area also reaches down to central VA including the Richmond area.

DC's ESPN 980 could be heard in the Norfolk area, but in Richmond, there's a 990 to cause splatter, with the car radio.

WWGB 1030 just southeast of DC was heard in the Outer Banks, NC, and it's a daytimer.

The 1190 just west of DC had recently signed on and was heard in the Outer Banks during the day.

The 1500, when it was WTOP, was once heard in eastern NC at 10:30 AM during the fall.

WAVA 780 (daytimer) in the DC area also reaches Richmond.

I didn't do enough listening due to the full-time job, and never have gone up north to hear how far any stations go.

Oh, yeah, I once heard the Columbus 610 during the morning here in VA around sunrise.
 
There were times (mainly winter) when I could get current locals, Ottawa's 580 CFRA and 1310 CIWW, during the day in Halifax. Mostly during 'critical hours' but, I also have them logged showing up at around 1:30 pm...

~BG
 
From Northbridge MA-about 12 mi SE of Worcester MA.
Believe it or not Radio Locator shows only 6 Local grade AM signals, mostly from Worcester here in Northbridge. And that may be a stretch. 1440 AM WEEI is a 5kw ND broadcasting from about 15 mi away and THAT one is not considered local by RL. Same as the Spanish 5kw on 1310 from 11 mi. WCRN-830 25kw gets out about 60 mi or so and is the strongest local. A 1kw station in Milford MA, 8 mi, is listenable but not strong. It is considered a distant station on RL and quite so.
The Providence RI 5kws on 630, 790, 920 are about 30 mi and signal quality is certainly not local grade. Quite listenable. WBZ 1030 at 50 kw and 40 (est) mi away provides a near city grade signal, equiv to WCRN. But I consider Worcester to be the local market on AM.
My car radio and Boise Wave (inside0 are probably average radios. But I've gotten 1500-2000 mi reception at night on the Bose so it ain't no clock radio..
So in answer to the the orig question-not very far. Probably 30-40 mi at best for the 5kw's and 10-15 for the 1kw's.
 
Schroedingers Cat said:
Radioman148, We receive WSCR, WGN, WBBM, WLS, and WMVP. They fall off very rapidly between a line connecting Flint and Ann Arbor and the Detroit area. WAIT/WCPT and WYLL/WJJD also used to be heard in the daytime are still there probably, but covered up and difficult to hear due to WCXI 1160 and CHAM 820. I suspect that WIND was always there, but perhaps weaker. WKTA/WEAW 1330 skywave would often blast in just prior to sunset. I have a signoff tape somewhere of WEAW made just three miles from the WTRX towers.

Where are you located? I used to hear WJR during the day 30 miles north of Chicago, but the 750 in Portage, Indiana mostly covers it up now.
Also used to hear CKLW sometimes during the day years ago, but not anymore. Way back in the early 60s I could get 1130 then WCAR during the day before WISN moved to 1130.
 
Charleston has some very good AM signals, but many of them are handicapped. I'll list them by strength.

730: 5kw flamethrower, can be heard well into FL daytime. CC lowered power to 1kw for a little bit, but the Catholic buyers brought back 5kw. Heard offshore south of the Space Coast. Very easily heard in Savannah area, and goes pretty well N. In previous stint as news-talk, could be heard as far N as Cape Hatteras. Can be heard weakly in Columbia area.

1250: Another very good signal. Can be heard very well down the coast. Listenable as far S as Daytona Beach and Hutchinson Island. Goes well inland with good radio. Heard well in Kingstree, but on normal radio was weak in Santee. Also goes far N because of few co-channels.

1390: Very good signal. Garfla heard it in Fort Pierce, and very much like 1250.

950: Good signal over the suburban parts of the Lowcountry. Listenable to about MM 130 on I-26 before quickly fading out on most radios. Strong signal in immediate Charleston, but weaker than sister 910.

810: Farther N than the others, but only local AM for lots of rural areas. Can be heard N of Columbia, and a decent signal into metro Charleston, but daytimer status causes them to be non-factor.

910: 500 watt sports station but has probably best 500 watt signal anywhere. Can be heard well to about 187 on I-26, then weaker past I-95. Listenable to Pawleys Island on 17 before WNMB interferes.

1450: Less than 1000 watts, but can be heard past Moncks Corner usually. Doesn't do that well on water path, listenable in Hilton Head but that's it. Heard in Kingstree with my Vibe. A little directional because of 1450 that was on in Savannah.

1340: Good daytime signal, heard down into GA coast, but poor inland. Hard to hear in Moncks Corner on a normal radio.

980: Good in the immediate Summerville area and suburbs, but not much else. Tried to market oldies format for Charleston until a couple years ago, but failed because of signal S of 526. Washington and others interfere during critical hours more than 10 miles from transmitter.

1480: Weakest AM signal, only strong in Mt. Pleasant and areas east of the Cooper River. West of I-526, has about the strength of WOKV.
 
I don't know about other Tampa/St. Pete stations but during the day, 970 WFLA at 5kw directional can still be heard on Daytona Beach
(125 miles) and in Ft. Pierce (134 miles).

680 WGES at only 690 watts non directional can be heard on Daytona Beach (140 miles) and even better in Ft. Pierce (143 miles).
 
vibe said:
From Northbridge MA-about 12 mi SE of Worcester MA.
Believe it or not Radio Locator shows only 6 Local grade AM signals, mostly from Worcester here in Northbridge. And that may be a stretch. 1440 AM WEEI is a 5kw ND broadcasting from about 15 mi away and THAT one is not considered local by RL. Same as the Spanish 5kw on 1310 from 11 mi. WCRN-830 25kw gets out about 60 mi or so and is the strongest local. A 1kw station in Milford MA, 8 mi, is listenable but not strong. It is considered a distant station on RL and quite so.

That's fascinating, especially for people who are in areas that have really good ground conductivity. While there are plenty of variables in a discussion like this, one thing about Radio-Locator should be noted. What they classify as "local," a 2.5mVm field, is far below the FCC threshold of 5mVm for "city-grade."

A check of signal strengths utilizing a V-soft program and plugging in the Northbridge zip code reveals only one station above 5mVm: WCRN, the one you noted as the strongest. Of the others you mention that Radio-Locator includes as locals only one, WVNE 760 in Liecester, is close to 5mVm. WBZ almost makes the cut for the 2.5 level, but WEEI WVEI 1440 is well below it. That last one is really interesting, as well as the one on 1490, since they're so close.
 
I don't know about other Tampa/St. Pete stations but during the day, 970 WFLA at 5kw directional can still be heard on Daytona Beach
(125 miles) and in Ft. Pierce (134 miles).

680 WGES at only 690 watts non directional can be heard on Daytona Beach (140 miles) and even better in Ft. Pierce (143 miles).
Most of the T/SP stations can be heard like locals in the FL panhandle - but you have to be on the beach to get them (salt water paths were gonna show up in this thread eventually ;)).
 
Speaking of saltwater paths... ;D Here's a few examples of how well a couple Santa Barbara area AM stations are heard using only the Tecsun PL-606's built-in 100mm ferrite bar antenna in the early afternoon in Ocean Beach (part of San Diego southwest of Sea World) less than 1/2 mile from the beach...

1290 KZSB Santa Barbara - 500 watts ND, 182 miles
1340 KCLU Santa Barbara - 650 watts ND, 182 miles
1490 KSPE Santa Barbara - 1kW ND, 182 miles
All 3 stations share the same tower less than half a mile from the beach.

For those of you in the northeast (CT, RI, MA, VT, NH) where the ground conductivity is poor compared to that, how strong are the various 50kW stations at a comparable distance?

Also, here's 1250 KZER Santa Barbara, CA, heard from the same location. Their 2.5kW directional site is near the beach so that one tower is closer to the beach than it is to another tower. 10kW DA 1520 KVTA Port Hueneme, CA also does quite well there in OB.


As for other stations around here...

In my back yard east of La Mesa / south of El Cajon (east of San Diego), 50kW ND 1070 KNX does quite well on the PL-606 from 111 miles away, especially with the help of the Select-A-Tenna and a chainlink fence. They can also [url=http://www.mediafire.com/?mc620812kslswer]be heard quite well using only the PL-380's built-in ferrite.

As for other stations...
(I don't have recordings of many more, and my Zoom H2 isn't correctly recognizing SD cards so I can't record any more right now.)

530 WNHV296 LAX Airport could be faintly heard, but gets comparable-strength competition from a co-channel Cal-Trans TIS somewhere in San Diego county. Clip with SRF-59 + SAT
560 KBLU Yuma, AZ, is very faint, barely audible.
570 KLAC Los Angeles is a fair signal in my back yard.
590 KTIE, now that KOGO has shut off their HD, can be faintly heard if I null 600.
640 KFI (50kW) is fairly strong at 99 miles, but not quite as strong as 1070 KNX at 111 miles. This is due to KFI coming in over an entirely land path, whereas KNX has some saltwater aid.
670 KIRN Simi Valley is somewhat weak but listenable.
710 KSPN Los Angeles is slightly better than KIRN.
730 XEEBC Ensenada is weak but listenable when I null 740 (now that KBRT seems to have their HD off). The PL-606 seems to have an internal het which covers it up, though.
740 KBRT Avalon (10 kW on Santa Catalina Island) does as good as if not slightly better than KNX. Clip with PL-606 barefoot then with SAT
790 KABC Los Angeles is a fair signal, hampered a bit by splatter from a local on 800. With the SRF-59 + SAT, XESU Mexicali can be heard underneath.
820 XEABCA (or is it XEVMS?) Mexicali is very weak but audible.
830 KLAA Orange is a fair signal, although its 50kW is considerably weaker than KNX due to a less efficient antenna and an all land path, even though it's somewhat closer. Clip with PL-606 barefoot then with SAT
850 XEZF Mexicali is very faint, but can be heard if I null 860.
870 KRLA Glendale is very faint and has to fight off splatter from 860.
930 KHJ Los Angeles is fairly weak but listenable. Clip with the PL-606 barefoot then with SAT
960 KIXW Apple Valley is a fringe signal - I have to go way out in the back yard to have a chance of hearing them at all. I'm about 33% past Radio-Locator's 0.15mV/m fringe contour for them. Based on calculations I've done with the M3 map and groundwave curves, I estimate their field at my location to be about 72.8 µV/m. Clips: PL-606 barefoot then with SAT and PL-380 barefoot
970 KNWZ Coachella is also very faint, but somewhat better than KIXW.
980 KFWB is slightly better, but hovers right at the soft mute threshold on my PL-606. (KHJ is slightly better).
990 XECL Mexicali fights a winning battle with KTMS Santa Barbara, and is somewhat stronger than 980. Clip with SRF-59 barefoot then with SAT
1000 KCEO Vista is a fair signal here during the day.
1020 KTNQ Los Angeles is very weak, comparable to 970 or 980.
1050 XED Mexicali is weak but listenable.
1110 KDIS Pasadena is quite severely desensed on the PL-380 and PL-606 but can be faintly heard, whereas on the SRF-59 it is a slightly weak but definitely listenable signal, with a little splatter from 1130 KSDO.
1150 KTLK Los Angeles is extremely tough (nearly impossible barefoot) with local blowtorches 1130 and 1170 being the two strongest stations on the dial here. The SAT definitely helps. Here's a sample.
1160 XEQIN San Quintin has been heard here when 1170 KCBQ was off the air, even though I'm at least twice as far as where Radio-Locator says their 0.15mV/m fringe contour is.
1180 KERN Wasco-Greenacres has also been heard when 1170 was off the air, and I'm about twice as far or so from their estimated 0.15 mV/m contour. I did some calculations with the M3 map and FCC groundwave propagation curves, and estimate that their groundwave field at my location is about 22.7 µV/m. 1170 KCBQ is about 130 mV/m, making reception of KERN impossible without serious help when 1170 is on the air.
1190 KGBN Anaheim can be faintly heard, especially if I null 1170, but has slight competition from a co-channel in Mexicali. Clips: PL-606 barefoot then with SAT and same on SRF-59
1250 KZER Santa Barbara is very weak but listenable.
1280 KFRN Long Beach is on the slightly weaker side of a fair signal, but definitely usable.
1290 KZSB Santa Barbara (500 watts ND at 195 miles) is faint with the built-in ferrite, but a fair signal with the Select-A-Tenna. A few examples: Clip 1 (PL-380 with SAT then barefoot), Clip 2 (SRF-59, then PL-606 in 4k then 1k BW settings), Clip 3 (barefoot then SAT), Clip 4, Clip 5. Also, KKDD San Bernardino can sometimes be heard, but it's much weaker, even though it's 5 kW DA (10x the power, more with some of it directed almost toward me) and 95 miles away (2x closer). [url=http://www.mediafire.com/?7atz6zgqo19ltv7]Here's an example - barefoot, then with the SAT on the PL-606.
1320 KKSM Oceanside is very faint, but can be heard. (It's probably one of the weakest stations that's relatively close.
1330 KWKW Los Angeles is a fringe signal.
1340 KCLU Santa Barbara is comparable to KZSB. Clip with SRF-59 barefoot then with SAT
1390 XEKT Tecate is a fair signal.
1450 KFSD Escondido is slightly toward the weaker side of fair. Clip with PL-606 barefoot then with SAT
1490 is either KSPE Santa Barbara or KGBA Heber, I haven't yet identified which it is.
1520 KVTA Port Hueneme is fringe, barely audible. Clip with PL-606 barefoot then with SAT
1580 KBLA Santa Monica is also a fringe signal.
1620 WNSB415 San Ysidro does surprisingly well for a TIS at 15 miles over a land path. Clip 1 (PL-606 barefoot then with SAT), Clip 2 (PL-380 with SAT on a 180-foot chainlink fence)
1650 KFOX Torrance is barely audible.
1670 KHPY Moreno Valley is comparable to 1650, if not slightly weaker.

I uploaded a folder of clips from a PL-606 + SAT bandscan one afternoon in May. Here's the link.

As I mentioned earlier, one afternoon 1170 KCBQ was off the air for several minutes, as was 910 KECR. Here are some clips I recorded during that time on 900 to 920 and 1160 to 1180.

I also have checked reception in Cameron Corners a few times, which is a little east of Campo, E/NE of Tecate. Here are the clips from the session in June earlier this year. (I haven't finished with the SAT clips, so there's only a few there.) Also, here are clips from a recording session last August there with the PL-380 - barefoot and with the SAT.
I also did the same thing on Hwy 76 somewhere a little southeast of Pala in northern San Diego county. Here are samples recorded from the barefoot PL-380. (In that folder is a text file explaining what was on the various frequencies - I recommend checking that before randomly clicking on the audio clips.)

The farthest station I've heard in the middle of the day is 50kW 700 KALL North Salt Lake City, UT, at a distance of 626 miles. That was pulled in with the PL-606 and Select-A-Tenna in my back yard, about 32 miles from 77kW 690 XEWW.

Somewhere I read a post that mentioned someone at Signal Hill in Newfoundland hearing 5kW 560 WQAM Miami, FL, during the day. Anyone have any other comparable (or farther!) saltwater DX? :) Also speaking of variations in ground conductivity, I wonder what transmit power WCBS would need to use (obviously more than the maximum 50kW the FCC allows) to have their 0.15 mV/m signal go as far over land to the north along the eastern border of NY state as it now goes over saltwater to the east? (Or am I, as well as a few others, a bit spoiled by our proximity to saltwater? ;) )
 
trusty said:
I don't know about other Tampa/St. Pete stations but during the day, 970 WFLA at 5kw directional can still be heard on Daytona Beach
(125 miles) and in Ft. Pierce (134 miles).

680 WGES at only 690 watts non directional can be heard on Daytona Beach (140 miles) and even better in Ft. Pierce (143 miles).
Most of the T/SP stations can be heard like locals in the FL panhandle - but you have to be on the beach to get them (salt water paths were gonna show up in this thread eventually ;)).

I'm only speaking of my personal experience but you're right.

Over at the Gulf here, we can get all kinds of stations from the panhandle to and including Texas (KTRH and KCTA) during the day.

If I was ever able to go to Galveston or South Padre Island with my Sangean PR-D5 and the Terk loop, I bet I could pick up at least a weak signal from one or more of the Tampa/St. Pete stations.
 
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