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How is AAR doing?

M

mr_arbitron

First off, I wanna thank David Eduardo, and KMr for censoring my post about Arbitron and the price war it's wageing with Clear Channel. CC is obviously 70% of Arbi buisness. Why should'nt CC demand a better price?

And yes, Mr Eduardo, Arbi does pay up to $60 for diaries from minorities. It's impossible to get hispanics and African americans to do/turn in Arbi Diaries. Houston/D.C. is the absolute worst. Thus the term "Promised Incentives" and DST's

On to AAR:

Yes! They have experienced and talented hosts who preach to the choir. But here is the difference: There is a finite number of radio listeners that AAR can draw from.. With the many different themes on Radio these days, can AAR
actually draw the centrist listener of the politcal spectrum to tune in to AAR?

Let's examine the product: An alternative radio voice preaching to the left is launched by AAR.. It's goal is to make money by advertising.. Sounds normal? Let's examine the content:

After much analysys I have concluded that to be a member of AAR you must:

A) Believe that 9-1-1 and the London attacks were planned and perpetrated
by Israel and President Bush (This is a Randi Rhodes testament)

B) You must believe that President Bush planned the elections of 2004 so precisely that he brought in computer experts to "throw/hack" the electronic voting machines in Ohio that gave him the victory.

C) You have to hate Christians and Religion (RR and Malloy)

D) You must be gay (RR)

E) You must be a drug user (RR)

The best Randi Rhodes/Malloy conspiracy is that 4000 Israeli's were warned of the 9-1-1 attacks and left the twin towers before it happened.. However 400 were left behind to "take one for the team"

OK, the average radio listener will not buy into these wild eyed conspiracies
and will not tune into AAR.. But it's Arbi share will ALWAYS run from 1.6- 3.0 (and that's a high estimate) to coincide with the 30% far left spectrum that drives AAR


The 3 shares are in Frisco, Frisco North (Portland) and Frisco East (madison, wisconsin) (btw, in madison, there were more votes for Fidel Castro than Kerry)

But when Rush Limbaugh gets, let's say $100 for an eharmoney ad but AAR only gets $1 based on their low arbi's rate card, expect doc and lamp and the others to start screaming for the fairness doctrine again.

Regard-a-roonies!!!

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We send you a $1 every other day. Please fill out your diaries.
</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by mr_arbitron on 07/11/05 12:56 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> First off, I wanna thank David Eduardo, and KMr for
> censoring my post about Arbitron and the price war it's
> wageing with Clear Channel. CC is obviously 70% of Arbi
> buisness. Why should'nt CC demand a better price?
>
> And yes, Mr Eduardo, Arbi does pay up to $60 for diaries
> from minorities. It's impossible to get hispanics and
> African americans to do/turn in Arbi Diaries. Houston/D.C.
> is the absolute worst. Thus the term "Promised Incentives"
> and DST's
>
> On to AAR:
>
> Yes! They have experienced and talented hosts who preach to
> the choir. But here is the difference: There is a finite
> number of radio listeners that AAR can draw from.. With the
> many different themes on Radio these days, can AAR
> actually draw the centrist listener of the politcal spectrum
> to tune in to AAR?
>
> Let's examine the product: An alternative radio voice
> preaching to the left is launched by AAR.. It's goal is to
> make money by advertising.. Sounds normal? Let's examine the
> content:
>
> After much analysys I have concluded that to be a member of
> AAR you must:
>
> A) Believe that 9-1-1 and the London attacks were planned
> and perpetrated
> by Israel and President Bush (This is a Randi Rhodes
> testament)
>
> B) You must believe that President Bush planned the
> elections of 2004 so precisely that he brought in computer
> experts to "throw/hack" the electronic voting machines in
> Ohio that gave him the victory.
>
> C) You have to hate Christians and Religion (RR and Malloy)
>
> D) You must be gay (RR)
>
> E) You must be a drug user (RR)
>
> The best Randi Rhodes/Malloy conspiracy is that 4000
> Israeli's were warned of the 9-1-1 attacks and left the twin
> towers before it happened.. However 400 were left behind to
> "take one for the team"
>
> OK, the average radio listener will not buy into these
> wild eyed conspiracies
> and will not tune into AAR.. But it's Arbi share will ALWAYS
> run from 1.6- 3.0 (and that's a high estimate) to coincide
> with the 30% far left spectrum that drives AAR
>
>
> The 3 shares are in Frisco, Frisco North (Portland) and
> Frisco East (madison, wisconsin) (btw, in madison, there
> were more votes for Fidel Castro than Kerry)
>
> But when Rush Limbaugh gets, let's say $100 for an
> eharmoney ad but AAR only gets $1 based on their low arbi's
> rate card, expect doc and lamp and the others to start
> screaming for the fairness doctrine again.
>
> Regard-a-roonies!!!
>


And you are an idiot. ;)
 
Air America exists thanks to Democrats who make donations to keep the stations on-the-air. They lowered spot rates and still can't get advertisers. Since 89% of the counties in the country voted for Bush, AAR doesn't have much of an audience base. When Soros and his friends stop the funding, AAR will be history.
 
> Air America exists thanks to Democrats who make donations to
> keep the stations on-the-air. They lowered spot rates and
> still can't get advertisers. Since 89% of the counties in
> the country voted for Bush, AAR doesn't have much of an
> audience base. When Soros and his friends stop the funding,
> AAR will be history.
>
Huh? Oh I get it, you are using sarcasm. Way to go. By posting even dumber analysis than the orginal poster you have succeeded in brillant sarcasm of the first poster. Well done!
 
> Since 89% of the counties in
> the country voted for Bush, AAR doesn't have much of an
> audience base.

Right. People don't listen to the radio, counties do! Right. Of course, Kerry won most of the major markets, but let's not forget all those counties where hardly anybody lives.
>
 
> A) Believe that 9-1-1 and the London attacks were planned
> and perpetrated
> by Israel and President Bush (This is a Randi Rhodes
> testament)

You don't have any idea what you are talking about. I've listened to Randi even before she started with Air America and she doesn't believe this at all!

She believes that Bush and Cheney absolutely bungled the response to 9/11 by ignoring threats, screwing up our defense resources to shoot down planes, allowing bin Laden family members to get those frequent flier miles escaping the country when nobody else flew, attacked the wrong country, and use 9/11 as a political tool.

> B) You must believe that President Bush planned the
> elections of 2004 so precisely that he brought in computer
> experts to "throw/hack" the electronic voting machines in
> Ohio that gave him the victory.

Wrong again. AA hosts complain about long lines at polls, malfunctioning equipment that counted more votes than voters, electronic machines with no verifying paper trail, and yet another Bush re-election chairman in the thick of things in his role of secretary of state.

> C) You have to hate Christians and Religion (RR and Malloy)

Randi Rhodes is a believer - she doesn't wear it on her sleeve though. Malloy is an atheist.

> D) You must be gay (RR)
> E) You must be a drug user (RR)

This is just stupid. You obviously aren't an Air America listener.

> But when Rush Limbaugh gets, let's say $100 for an
> eharmoney ad but AAR only gets $1 based on their low arbi's
> rate card, expect doc and lamp and the others to start
> screaming for the fairness doctrine again.

The Fairness Doctrine argument has nothing to do with ratings or rate cards. There are fewer national sponsors that want Rush doing their ads because of the universal taboo they have about getting mixed up in controversy with the host.

The politics isn't the issue in this forum anyway.
 
> Air America exists thanks to Democrats who make donations to
> keep the stations on-the-air. They lowered spot rates and
> still can't get advertisers. Since 89% of the counties in
> the country voted for Bush, AAR doesn't have much of an
> audience base. When Soros and his friends stop the funding,
> AAR will be history.

It's Attack of the Talking Points... and moldy ones too!

Air America affiliates are not public broadcasters, nor are they owned by Air America. Outside of WLIB NY, all Air America affiliates choose to affiliate and do not receive payments to do so. Listeners do not donate to keep stations on the air.

Air America spot rates have more than doubled since launch and continue to do so as they add affiliates and listeners. Their ad load is typical for political talk.

Playing number games over how many people elected Bush (especially using the crazy 89% of counties figure which ignores the actual population within said counties) is irrelevent to this message forum.

Air America's audience base has increased, and continues to do so. Do some research that extends beyond Newsmax and right wing blogs.

Finally, George Soros has never financed Air America in any way and has no plans to do so.
 
> After much analysys I have concluded that to be a member of
> AAR you must:
>
> A) Believe that 9-1-1 and the London attacks were planned
> and perpetrated
> by Israel and President Bush (This is a Randi Rhodes
> testament)

Im just going to prove how big a liar you are right now and ignore the rest of your alleged research..... Randi Rhodes is on vacation and has not broadcasted one word about London this week. as she is not near a mike until tomorrow....so very easy, you have your head up your A$$. Rhodes has posted on her site as well as spoken about what she believes which is that 911 and its handling before and after was badly manageed...she has never blamed Bush or Israel for directly planning/executing the actions that caused 911...

The rest of what you say is unfortunately damaged by this huge lie!
 
> Finally, George Soros has never financed Air America in any
> way and has no plans to do so.

Actually, I do recall Franken having said on-air that during the cash crisis they had that resulted in AAR being re-organized about a month into its existence, George Soros invested enough money in AAR to keep it going "for about a month."

Not a large amount, by any rational standard. And certainly not a "donation".<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>
 
> > Finally, George Soros has never financed Air America in
> any
> > way and has no plans to do so.
>
> Actually, I do recall Franken having said on-air that during
> the cash crisis they had that resulted in AAR being
> re-organized about a month into its existence, George Soros
> invested enough money in AAR to keep it going "for about a
> month."

The reorganization was financed by the original backers of AAR who ponied up more money to keep things running after they got rid of Cohen. Soros has never sent a dollar their way. The -only- place you'll find "reports" like this are on right wing blogs and "News"max. Sorry, it never happened.
 
> Sorry, it never happened.

All I know is what I heard Franken say on-air, in response to one of the many Newsmax-ish lies about Soros being a big "donor".

I'll try to locate an MP3, but I can't remember the date off-hand... it was probably within the last three months.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>
 
> Air America exists thanks to Democrats who make donations to
> keep the stations on-the-air. They lowered spot rates and
> still can't get advertisers. Since 89% of the counties in
> the country voted for Bush, AAR doesn't have much of an
> audience base. When Soros and his friends stop the funding,
> AAR will be history.

Adveriser put their moneys in the top markets (e.g. New York - 15.3M, 22 Counties;
Los Angeles - 10.6M people 8 Counties; and Chicago - 7.6M people, 15 Counties)

They tend to avoid smaller markets (e.g. Lincoln - 0.2M people, 30 Counties; Wichita - 0.5M people, 55 Counties; and Oklahoma City, 0.9M people, 35 Counties)

Simply state advertisers pay for people not counties and demographics, (e.g. income, education, age groups, etc.) That's why DMAs like New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago attract the big bucks and DMAs like Lincoln, Wichita, and Oklahoma City get the table scraps.
 
> > Sorry, it never happened.
>
> All I know is what I heard Franken say on-air, in response
> to one of the many Newsmax-ish lies about Soros being a big
> "donor".
>
> I'll try to locate an MP3, but I can't remember the date
> off-hand... it was probably within the last three months.
>

Tom is right.....but Franken made it clear that Soros was a minimal contributor...and not a long term or a sustainer-type for AAR.

Dampier is right that the RW blogs/NewsMax/VRWC keeps saying this to make Soros a pariah...just like they are doing about his move to purchase the Nationals in DC.

The funny part is that even if Soros was contributing or sustaining AAR, isnt it just another business transaction...why is liberal money worse than any other dollars.....gee gotta love that VRWC...
 
> > > Sorry, it never happened.
> >
> > All I know is what I heard Franken say on-air, in response
> > to one of the many Newsmax-ish lies about Soros being a
> > big "donor".
> >
> > I'll try to locate an MP3, but I can't remember the date
> > off-hand... it was probably within the last three months.
>
> Tom is right.....but Franken made it clear that Soros was a
> minimal contributor...and not a long term or a
> sustainer-type for AAR.

Exactly. I remember quite clearly that Franken said it was enough of an investment to keep AAR operating for about a month. Chump change for Soros.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>
 
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