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How long now?

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Interesting posts below on the rise of Internet Broadcasting in the era of free wireless (as proposed for San Francisco).

This raises the question of how long it might be before The FCC determines that "radio stations" "broadcasting" on the public airwaves via wireless internet are, indeed "radio stations" and fall under their regulations. After all, the connection for many will be through "the public airwaves".

When it happens (I don't see any "if" about it) what will the spectrum fees be? What content will be prohibited? What fines might be imposed for "indecency"?

OK, I may be wrong. But I'm watching China as the sort of canary-in-the-coal-mine. Nothing yet but there are rumblings. Of course the motivations might be different...political control versus revenue generation or religious control, but when one monkey starts doing the nasty they all seem to pretty quickly!<P ID="signature">______________
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> This raises the question of how long it might be before The
> FCC determines that "radio stations" "broadcasting" on the
> public airwaves via wireless internet are, indeed "radio
> stations" and fall under their regulations. After all, the
> connection for many will be through "the public airwaves".
>
> When it happens (I don't see any "if" about it) what will
> the spectrum fees be? What content will be prohibited?
> What fines might be imposed for "indecency"?

This is actually an interesting point, and one in which I have written briefly and have investigated in the course of writing a legal critique of Pacifica, the Supremes' reasoning behind it, and the overall indecency regulation scheme at the Commission.

The Pacifica v. FCC decision (1978) was grounded upon the "pervasive" nature of broadcast radio/TV--that is, it was openly available by merely turning on a receiver and by the time obscene or indecent content passed through the air, it was too late to make amends if children or non-interested audiences were listening.

In the realm of other delivery systems (cable, internet, satellite), the Supreme Court has concluded (rightly) that affirmative steps need to be taken to reach the content or programming offered by those other sources. (See, e.g., Sable Communications (1988), Playboy TV (2000), ACT III (D.C. Cir. 1993), and the COPA case--sorry forget the caption right now--from 2001).

It is the same for Internet "radio" (which it isn't, really, but it's good shorthand). Affirmative steps must be taken to get to that programming on those Internet stations: turning on the computer or future "media source," connecting to the network (even if automatically), opening the web browser, typing the address, connecting to that page, choosing the link, and starting the media player to connect to the source server. Seven (or seven and 1/2 steps).

Broadcast (over-the-air) radio has two steps: turn on radio, tune to station. It is no more involved than that because the FCC-licensed (and unlicensed stations, to be equal opportunity) are freely distributing their content into the available air. The radio does nothing more than pick up that "air". So, in all actuality, step 2 above (tuning) is not even required.

Further, the FCC would need Congressional authorization to regulate Internet content. It does not have such authority now, and the courts would be pretty leery of such authority at such a late stage in "the game". The Internet has been a fairly unregulated universe thus far. The Congress has had numerous opportunities to regulate it and it has failed to do so. I dare say that we are reaching precariously close to "tradition" stage which would persuade the courts to preclude the Congress or Executive to stay out of the arena at all.

Further, on First Amendment grounds, I can't see the courts allowing the FCC to essentially license that which was/is freely available. Remember one reason for FCC regulation over broadcast is "scarcity"--there's only so much space available in the band, so we have to regulate it to allow everyone an equal chance at it. There is no such limitation in the Internet. "Scarcity" is established only by the market's artificial limits, and not by physics of nature.

One more point: I seriously doubt the FCC can "piggyback" their regulation of the Internet (without explicity Congressional authorization) based solely upon the fact that delivery is SOMETIMES by "public airwaves". The licenses for that space have been granted to the ISPs, the wireless manufacturers, the router mfgrs., etc. Therefore, the FCC has already regulated to the extent of its current authorization. As a creature of Congress, even though "independent," it is still limited by what authority is given to it by Congress. It may not exceed that authority into avenues which Congress has not given it authority to regulate, or which Congress could not have reasonably envisioned the FCc to enter.

I think that's an interesting hypothesis (and one which, no doubt, some FCC egghead in Washington had concocted already), but I think it fails for the above reasons and more.

If nothing else, I'd fight it myself.
 
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Johnny,

Thanks for the education. I hope you get paid by the word.

I think it's simpler than that. Currently, there's no way for parents or responsible parties to prevent minors from listening/viewing indecent broadcasts on the public airwaves. The millions of existing radios and TVs without any content regulation process make it imperative (in the view of Congress) to control content during the portions of the day when children are likely to be listening/viewing.

Internet access devices simply need a program that allows parents to restrict content either by rating (i.e. Internet Explorer's Content Advisor) and/or IP address. It's the electronic equivalent of putting Playboy out of reach of underaged kids. A manufacturer would be wise to include such software, which is similar to the content control software used on cable and satellite boxes.

In general, the issue is access by underaged listeners/viewers, not protecting the American public from objectionable material. Some content - like child porn - is deemed to be unacceptable in any form.
 
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> In general, the issue is access by underaged
> listeners/viewers, not protecting the American public from
> objectionable material. Some content - like child porn - is
> deemed to be unacceptable in any form.

Which still does not address the hunger, nay, downright greed,
of The U.S. Goverment for money. I can envision a mind set
that insists "it's broadcast and it uses the public airwaves
(wireless)" so we're gonna regulate in in some way or another
and impose fees".

Yeah, I'm paranoid but you gotta admit that even paranoids might have
actual enemies!
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Re: One down

Speaking as a Libertarian, I also see government as lazy. They tend to go after the most obvious source of income. I think that two are email and internet sales/financial transactions. I think there is much more income potential and a lower rate of tax will be imposed because the pain will be widely distributed and thus smaller for each person.

I know that the postal service would love to put a tax on every email.


I don't think radio or broadcast is considered under current conditions.

>
> Yeah, I'm paranoid but you gotta admit that even paranoids
> might have
> actual enemies!
>
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> When it happens (I don't see any "if" about it) what will
> the spectrum fees be? What content will be prohibited?
> What fines might be imposed for "indecency"?

I see an "if" not a "when". It could go the other way. Your assumption accounts for the greed factor but discounts the laziness factor.

Realizing the huge job of regulating the unregulatable, Congress might well level the playing field by unshackling terrestial radio instead of trying to throw a harness on internet radio.

The regulatory costs would likely overwhelm the fees. And internet radio fans are a noisy lot.<P ID="signature">______________
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