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How many feel syndication should be outlawed?

J

JamzUSA

Guest
I've been reading about all the local jocks that have lost their jobs for this syndication crap. Not only do the personalities lose, but the listener lose as well. No localism. It's just like only having the world news to watch on tv, with no 6pm or 10pm news. You have to hear about everything that's going on in the world, and the only way that you hear about what's going on in your area, is if it's something major.

And contests: You have to compete with Jack, John, and Judy from Mississippi, Montana, and everywhere else for a $1000. It's hard enough competing for that change locally.

It is sad, but syndication is killing radio. It's just like a complete stranger that comes from a whole other country, moving into your house with you. You're going to have a hard time relating to them.

I miss the way radio used to be.
 
> I've been reading about all the local jocks that have lost
> their jobs for this syndication crap. Not only do the
> personalities lose, but the listener lose as well. No
> localism. It's just like only having the world news to
> watch on tv, with no 6pm or 10pm news. You have to hear
> about everything that's going on in the world, and the only
> way that you hear about what's going on in your area, is if
> it's something major.
>
> And contests: You have to compete with Jack, John, and Judy
> from Mississippi, Montana, and everywhere else for a $1000.
> It's hard enough competing for that change locally.
>
> It is sad, but syndication is killing radio. It's just like
> a complete stranger that comes from a whole other country,
> moving into your house with you. You're going to have a
> hard time relating to them.
>
> I miss the way radio used to be.
>
Jamz, this why I gave up on terrestrial radio, save 820 (for news) awhile back. It been one of the worst business decisions the "suits" ever came up with in this business. Syndication for programs is one thing, its exposed users to new talent they never have heard before. But when it comes to local flavor and contest, its been detramental. Its another way the CC's and CBS Radios' of the world try to maximize their dollar,all in the while letting the product quality suffer.
 
> > I've been reading about all the local jocks that have lost
>
> > their jobs for this syndication crap. Not only do the
> > personalities lose, but the listener lose as well. No
> > localism. It's just like only having the world news to
> > watch on tv, with no 6pm or 10pm news. You have to hear
> > about everything that's going on in the world, and the
> only
> > way that you hear about what's going on in your area, is
> if
> > it's something major.
> >
> > And contests: You have to compete with Jack, John, and
> Judy
> > from Mississippi, Montana, and everywhere else for a
> $1000.
> > It's hard enough competing for that change locally.
> >
> > It is sad, but syndication is killing radio. It's just
> like
> > a complete stranger that comes from a whole other country,
>
> > moving into your house with you. You're going to have a
> > hard time relating to them.
> >
> > I miss the way radio used to be.
> >
> Jamz, this why I gave up on terrestrial radio, save 820 (for
> news) awhile back. It been one of the worst business
> decisions the "suits" ever came up with in this business.
> Syndication for programs is one thing, its exposed users to
> new talent they never have heard before. But when it comes
> to local flavor and contest, its been detramental. Its
> another way the CC's and CBS Radios' of the world try to
> maximize their dollar,all in the while letting the product
> quality suffer.
>
JAMZ is dead on with this issue.The arguement being given by those who support syndication is that the Listeners don't care. Unfortunately they right in one respect. Since the stupidity act of 1996 commonlyreferred to as "telecom"todays listeners have been molded and weened off what was better radio that was local.Today they have accepted the crapof radio and sought out other formsto be entertained with,internet,mp players,satellite,etc. Satellite is growing becasue it offers over all what radio was like;new undiscovered artists, air talent that knew and appreciated the music of their respective formats,without liner cards,preselected songs to be played when,etc.It has more personality than most terrestial stations today. The owners complain that they are not making money with the earth bound stations.That is what brought forth the stupidity act of 1996.Hell,the answer was simple;if you don't make money sell the damn thing!Let someone else can,but it didn't work that way.Owners failed to realize that good solid competition could only make their product better and more invigorated,not homoginized,assemblyline crap that is radio today. Don't hand me the line there is good competiton today,and cite that KPLX competes with KLUV or K104 competes with KSCS. Its strictly format vs competitor with the same format. KLUV has no competiton,because there isn't another oldies station in DFW.Same goes for KZPS(the bone is not a serious contender),WRR,KAAM,KLTY and so it goes.These stations do not compete against stations with the same format!Period!Thats how radio was and WORKED! They went out and promoted themselves as a community station,and met their listeners,and actually did some public afairs shows with them. At the same time they made you feel that listening to their respective station was fun and larger than life. Now its wall paper with the same coat of white paint over it. The basics with one pd who knew how to program,a news person who knew how to report, on air jocks who knew the music of the format,and could adlib,be conversational,and blend in with the other DJ's was successful radio.. The arguement today is"That was yesterday and yesterday is gone" Yeah it is,and what a damn dirty shame too.Todays broadcasters that have been in the business 10years or less have accepted todays way of programming just so they can have a gig,with fewer listeners than before. They will argue against what I said as being "old school".To them I say,you're not doing radio. You're somebody on an assembly line doing what your real estate agent tells you to do. You're not an individual just someone who collects a check barely enough to meet your living expenses,while somebody is making money off of you,when you should share in the commission yourself. I am sure some will pipe in saying I am bitter. Guilty as charged BUT I am working,and doing well in the media,so my bitterness is not there,its in the way we have allowed radio to become,a boring abyss. National contests maybe economical from a real estate owners point of view but it cheats your listener and frustration is only cultivated in them at your stations. Being daring,creative,original,are taboo in todays radio. If one station seems to be a success..xerox it.Don't dare to be an individual! Be bland and accept whatever profit comes your way,knowing it could be more only if you try to serve your community and dare to be creative along the way.
 
I'm going to play both sides of this issue. I for one think there are places for syndication. A small hick town with one AM and one FM would probably benefit from a satellite network like Jones. I see no problem with that market flying on the bird all day long. They aren't billing millions per year.

My beef comes with medium, large, and major market syndication. At that point it's not about being able to afford a 24/7/365 airstaff, it's about saving bonus money for upper-level management. There's more than enough money to hire a competent, talented airstaff, the suits are just too freakin' cheap to do it.

If they want to keep their heads in the sand concerning satcasters then terrestrial radio had better hope that XM and Sirius don't get permanent licenses for their localized repeaters. That changes the ballgame completely.
 
> > > I've been reading about all the local jocks that have
> lost
> >
> > > their jobs for this syndication crap. Not only do the
> > > personalities lose, but the listener lose as well. No
> > > localism. It's just like only having the world news to
> > > watch on tv, with no 6pm or 10pm news. You have to hear
>
> > > about everything that's going on in the world, and the
> > only
> > > way that you hear about what's going on in your area, is
>
> > if
> > > it's something major.
> > >
> > > And contests: You have to compete with Jack, John, and
> > Judy
> > > from Mississippi, Montana, and everywhere else for a
> > $1000.
> > > It's hard enough competing for that change locally.
> > >
> > > It is sad, but syndication is killing radio. It's just
> > like
> > > a complete stranger that comes from a whole other
> country,
> >
> > > moving into your house with you. You're going to have a
>
> > > hard time relating to them.
> > >
> > > I miss the way radio used to be.
> > >
> > Jamz, this why I gave up on terrestrial radio, save 820
> (for
> > news) awhile back. It been one of the worst business
> > decisions the "suits" ever came up with in this business.
> > Syndication for programs is one thing, its exposed users
> to
> > new talent they never have heard before. But when it comes
>
> > to local flavor and contest, its been detramental. Its
> > another way the CC's and CBS Radios' of the world try to
> > maximize their dollar,all in the while letting the product
>
> > quality suffer.
> >
> JAMZ is dead on with this issue.The arguement being given by
> those who support syndication is that the Listeners don't
> care. Unfortunately they right in one respect. Since the
> stupidity act of 1996 commonlyreferred to as "telecom"todays
> listeners have been molded and weened off what was better
> radio that was local.Today they have accepted the crapof
> radio and sought out other formsto be entertained
> with,internet,mp players,satellite,etc. Satellite is growing
> becasue it offers over all what radio was like;new
> undiscovered artists, air talent that knew and appreciated
> the music of their respective formats,without liner
> cards,preselected songs to be played when,etc.It has more
> personality than most terrestial stations today. The owners
> complain that they are not making money with the earth bound
> stations.That is what brought forth the stupidity act of
> 1996.Hell,the answer was simple;if you don't make money sell
> the damn thing!Let someone else can,but it didn't work that
> way.Owners failed to realize that good solid competition
> could only make their product better and more
> invigorated,not homoginized,assemblyline crap that is radio
> today. Don't hand me the line there is good competiton
> today,and cite that KPLX competes with KLUV or K104 competes
> with KSCS. Its strictly format vs competitor with the same
> format. KLUV has no competiton,because there isn't another
> oldies station in DFW.Same goes for KZPS(the bone is not a
> serious contender),WRR,KAAM,KLTY and so it goes.These
> stations do not compete against stations with the same
> format!Period!Thats how radio was and WORKED! They went out
> and promoted themselves as a community station,and met their
> listeners,and actually did some public afairs shows with
> them. At the same time they made you feel that listening to
> their respective station was fun and larger than life. Now
> its wall paper with the same coat of white paint over it.
> The basics with one pd who knew how to program,a news person
> who knew how to report, on air jocks who knew the music of
> the format,and could adlib,be conversational,and blend in
> with the other DJ's was successful radio.. The arguement
> today is"That was yesterday and yesterday is gone" Yeah it
> is,and what a damn dirty shame too.Todays broadcasters that
> have been in the business 10years or less have accepted
> todays way of programming just so they can have a gig,with
> fewer listeners than before. They will argue against what I
> said as being "old school".To them I say,you're not doing
> radio. You're somebody on an assembly line doing what your
> real estate agent tells you to do. You're not an individual
> just someone who collects a check barely enough to meet your
> living expenses,while somebody is making money off of
> you,when you should share in the commission yourself. I am
> sure some will pipe in saying I am bitter. Guilty as charged
> BUT I am working,and doing well in the media,so my
> bitterness is not there,its in the way we have allowed radio
> to become,a boring abyss. National contests maybe economical
> from a real estate owners point of view but it cheats your
> listener and frustration is only cultivated in them at your
> stations. Being daring,creative,original,are taboo in todays
> radio. If one station seems to be a success..xerox it.Don't
> dare to be an individual! Be bland and accept whatever
> profit comes your way,knowing it could be more only if you
> try to serve your community and dare to be creative along
> the way.
>


The world sucks...that's just how it is. I don't see people holding vigils for the Western Auto stores that Wal Mart put out of business. I got better service from them than I do at Wal MArt...but things change. For the good, the bad, and the ugly. The people that wanna stay in the business, change with them. I DO think the big companies rely on syndication too much...it's quick, cheap, and easy. BUt bitching about the same stuff day after day on the message board isn't gonna change anything.
 
BUt bitching about
> the same stuff day after day on the message board isn't
> gonna change anything.
>

Just to let you know, I feel like it's not bitching. These message boards were designed for people to post their opinions whether good or bad. It might not change anything, but this is the place to blow off steam when it comes to radio.
 
150% positive that it should. How "good" can a show actually be without getting local? Sure syndication shows do local liners, but that isnt local. It is a bunch of DJs in another city pretending to know about your town when then actually dont. It sounds horrible. Prime example... Kidd Kraddick. Now I am not bashing on the guy and or the show because I think they are great but it doesnt sound right when they do the local liners because we all know they are in Dallas.
 
As a listener I like some syndication.

> 150% positive that it should. How "good" can a show
> actually be without getting local? Sure syndication shows
> do local liners, but that isnt local. It is a bunch of DJs
> in another city pretending to know about your town when then
> actually dont. It sounds horrible. Prime example... Kidd
> Kraddick. Now I am not bashing on the guy and or the show
> because I think they are great but it doesnt sound right
> when they do the local liners because we all know they are
> in Dallas.
>
As a listener I like some syndication. Without syndication I wouldn't have been able to hear popular shows like Stern, Leykis, or O&A on local stations.
 
Re: As a listener I like some syndication.

> > 150% positive that it should. How "good" can a show
> > actually be without getting local? Sure syndication shows
>
> > do local liners, but that isnt local. It is a bunch of
> DJs
> > in another city pretending to know about your town when
> then
> > actually dont. It sounds horrible. Prime example... Kidd
>
> > Kraddick. Now I am not bashing on the guy and or the show
>
> > because I think they are great but it doesnt sound right
> > when they do the local liners because we all know they are
>
> > in Dallas.
> >
> As a listener I like some syndication. Without syndication I
> wouldn't have been able to hear popular shows like Stern,
> Leykis, or O&A on local stations.
>
To a degree, program syndication has been a savior to radio, without syndication, howard stern would've been just some guy on the east coast with T&A and retards. But, in other ways (esp. with combined promotions budgets) its been a nightmare. People dont really get a shot at winning a radio promotion anymore, it always tilts towards some fool in minot, SD. Speaking of radio promotions, why dont we see the old school 103.7 KVIL-style anymore?? I rememeber every year getting one of those mass mailings with the tickets on them.
 
Re: As a listener I like some syndication.

OK... let's ask the same question about a parallel medium - television.
Are people upset that Jay Leno is not local? Are viewers pissed that channel 11 runs "Survivor" instead of a Jody Dean interview show? Don;t people just want the best programming possible?
That said, I hate the loss of localized radio, but recognize that all businesses are getting franchised and syndicated. The main difference is that the airwaves are owned by the American people and they should better served. The FCC and congress seem to think that the airwaves belong to the corporations and they should be allowed to use them any way they want. And politicians don't want to piss off broadcasters or lose their cheap political ad rates.

OK...enough rambling.

Eye Lipson
 
> > > I've been reading about all the local jocks that have
> lost
> >
> > > their jobs for this syndication crap. Not only do the
> > > personalities lose, but the listener lose as well. No
> > > localism. It's just like only having the world news to
> > > watch on tv, with no 6pm or 10pm news. You have to hear
>
> > > about everything that's going on in the world, and the
> > only
> > > way that you hear about what's going on in your area, is
>
> > if
> > > it's something major.
> > >
> > > And contests: You have to compete with Jack, John, and
> > Judy
> > > from Mississippi, Montana, and everywhere else for a
> > $1000.
> > > It's hard enough competing for that change locally.
> > >
> > > It is sad, but syndication is killing radio. It's just
> > like
> > > a complete stranger that comes from a whole other
> country,
> >
> > > moving into your house with you. You're going to have a
>
> > > hard time relating to them.
> > >
> > > I miss the way radio used to be.
> > >
> > Jamz, this why I gave up on terrestrial radio, save 820
> (for
> > news) awhile back. It been one of the worst business
> > decisions the "suits" ever came up with in this business.
> > Syndication for programs is one thing, its exposed users
> to
> > new talent they never have heard before. But when it comes
>
> > to local flavor and contest, its been detramental. Its
> > another way the CC's and CBS Radios' of the world try to
> > maximize their dollar,all in the while letting the product
>
> > quality suffer.
> >
> JAMZ is dead on with this issue.The arguement being given by
> those who support syndication is that the Listeners don't
> care. Unfortunately they right in one respect. Since the
> stupidity act of 1996 commonlyreferred to as "telecom"todays
> listeners have been molded and weened off what was better
> radio that was local.Today they have accepted the crapof
> radio and sought out other formsto be entertained
> with,internet,mp players,satellite,etc. Satellite is growing
> becasue it offers over all what radio was like;new
> undiscovered artists, air talent that knew and appreciated
> the music of their respective formats,without liner
> cards,preselected songs to be played when,etc.It has more
> personality than most terrestial stations today. The owners
> complain that they are not making money with the earth bound
> stations.That is what brought forth the stupidity act of
> 1996.Hell,the answer was simple;if you don't make money sell
> the damn thing!Let someone else can,but it didn't work that
> way.Owners failed to realize that good solid competition
> could only make their product better and more
> invigorated,not homoginized,assemblyline crap that is radio
> today. Don't hand me the line there is good competiton
> today,and cite that KPLX competes with KLUV or K104 competes
> with KSCS. Its strictly format vs competitor with the same
> format. KLUV has no competiton,because there isn't another
> oldies station in DFW.Same goes for KZPS(the bone is not a
> serious contender),WRR,KAAM,KLTY and so it goes.These
> stations do not compete against stations with the same
> format!Period!Thats how radio was and WORKED! They went out
> and promoted themselves as a community station,and met their
> listeners,and actually did some public afairs shows with
> them. At the same time they made you feel that listening to
> their respective station was fun and larger than life. Now
> its wall paper with the same coat of white paint over it.
> The basics with one pd who knew how to program,a news person
> who knew how to report, on air jocks who knew the music of
> the format,and could adlib,be conversational,and blend in
> with the other DJ's was successful radio.. The arguement
> today is"That was yesterday and yesterday is gone" Yeah it
> is,and what a damn dirty shame too.Todays broadcasters that
> have been in the business 10years or less have accepted
> todays way of programming just so they can have a gig,with
> fewer listeners than before. They will argue against what I
> said as being "old school".To them I say,you're not doing
> radio. You're somebody on an assembly line doing what your
> real estate agent tells you to do. You're not an individual
> just someone who collects a check barely enough to meet your
> living expenses,while somebody is making money off of
> you,when you should share in the commission yourself. I am
> sure some will pipe in saying I am bitter. Guilty as charged
> BUT I am working,and doing well in the media,so my
> bitterness is not there,its in the way we have allowed radio
> to become,a boring abyss. National contests maybe economical
> from a real estate owners point of view but it cheats your
> listener and frustration is only cultivated in them at your
> stations. Being daring,creative,original,are taboo in todays
> radio. If one station seems to be a success..xerox it.Don't
> dare to be an individual! Be bland and accept whatever
> profit comes your way,knowing it could be more only if you
> try to serve your community and dare to be creative along
> the way.


KPLEX:

Same old post again from you. btw....can you let us all know what business your doing well in? I assume it's media related? Curious to know. Oh, KLUV DID have competition at one time and they still won.
>
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Lead, follow or get out of the way...

And remember, the early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

</P>
 
Re: As a listener I like some syndication.

> OK... let's ask the same question about a parallel medium -
> television.
> Are people upset that Jay Leno is not local? Are viewers
> pissed that channel 11 runs "Survivor" instead of a Jody
> Dean interview show? Don;t people just want the best
> programming possible?
> That said, I hate the loss of localized radio, but
> recognize that all businesses are getting franchised and
> syndicated. The main difference is that the airwaves are
> owned by the American people and they should better served.
> The FCC and congress seem to think that the airwaves belong
> to the corporations and they should be allowed to use them
> any way they want. And politicians don't want to piss off
> broadcasters or lose their cheap political ad rates.
>
> OK...enough rambling.
>
> Eye Lipson
>
I think Eye hit the nail on the head regarding the comparison to television.
Local stations could do a lot more "in the public interest"; but to use the most obvious example, DFW listeners obviously think they are being better served by Rush Limbaugh than any of the local hosts KRLD or KLIF have aired in the same time period over the past several years.
 
Re: As a listener I like some syndication.

> > OK... let's ask the same question about a parallel medium
> -
> > television.
> > Are people upset that Jay Leno is not local? Are viewers
> > pissed that channel 11 runs "Survivor" instead of a Jody
> > Dean interview show? Don;t people just want the best
> > programming possible?
> > That said, I hate the loss of localized radio, but
> > recognize that all businesses are getting franchised and
> > syndicated. The main difference is that the airwaves are
> > owned by the American people and they should better
> served.
> > The FCC and congress seem to think that the airwaves
> belong
> > to the corporations and they should be allowed to use them
>
> > any way they want. And politicians don't want to piss off
>
> > broadcasters or lose their cheap political ad rates.
> >
> > OK...enough rambling.
> >
> > Eye Lipson
> >
> I think Eye hit the nail on the head regarding the
> comparison to television.
> Local stations could do a lot more "in the public interest";
> but to use the most obvious example, DFW listeners obviously
> think they are being better served by Rush Limbaugh than any
> of the local hosts KRLD or KLIF have aired in the same time
> period over the past several years.


The "public interest, convenience, and necessity" clause as so nebulously stated in the Communications Act of 1934 never has neen adequately defined by anyone, including the FCC. In some past instances involving license forfeiture the provision was invoked as the commission told the offending station, "Your operations fail to meet the public interest, convenience, and necessity." Begs the question, "So of what does the provision actually consist?" "Public interest," especially in the melee following the beginnings of deregulation in the Reagan years, seems to mean "broadcasting what interests the public," or in other words, giving the public what it wants. And, increasingly, it seems that what the public wants is on the order of the ditzy couples shown in the Sonic TV commercials--mindless prattle geared to oftentimes mindless people who don't want to exert any effort to comprehend what it is they're hearing. In that respect radio (transferring the mindless prattle to its own arena from TV) quite frequently is serving "the public interest" quite well.

Over time the most commonly-given response to the question of what actually constitutes serving the public interest, convenience, and necessity is a blank stare and shrug of the shoulders, from broadcasters and regulators alike. The issue has been batted around and debated ever since 1934 but to no avail.
>
 
>> BUt bitching about
>> the same stuff day after day on the message board isn't
>> gonna change anything.

> Just to let you know, I feel like it's not bitching. These
> message boards were designed for people to post their
> opinions whether good or bad. It might not change anything,
> but this is the place to blow off steam when it comes to
> radio.

Agreed with the latter remarks. Yes, there is a lot of noise
on this board and the occasional ad hominem attack. But this
topic raised by JamzUSA has stimulated worthwhile discussion,
IMHO. Perhaps the term ``outlawed'' is a bit strong in the
subject line but it does convey a sense of frustration with
radio's lack of localism.

Toward that point, though, what's been described as the
``Golden Age of Radio'' relied heavily (almost exclusively)
on network and transcribed content. The ownership may have
been local -- but the content was coming from afar.

BTW, apropos the Western Auto analogy, a locally-owned business
probably was displaced by that chain store.
 
Re: THIS IS WHY I POSTED THIS SUBJECT...

This is a article from The Washington Post about a local radio station dumping its local morning show for Steve Harvey, (Just like KRNB):



WHUR Gets An Earful for Axing Show

By Paul Farhi
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 9, 2006; Page C01

Radio-listening habits die hard. Just ask WHUR, which is discovering what happens when management gets between the audience and its favorite morning show.

Since dumping its popular morning team and replacing it this week with comedian Steve Harvey's syndicated program, the District radio station (96.3 FM) has been deluged with complaints by the hundreds. The backlash has inspired calls for a boycott of the station, which is owned by Howard University and has been among the highest-rated in the market.



The cancellation of WHUR's "The Real D.C. Morning Show" raises a broader question: What's become of "local" programming in a medium that has long traded on its community ties and good-neighbor image?

Critics of WHUR's decision say that Harvey's show -- starring one of the "Kings of Comedy," who had a WB sitcom for years -- originates from New York and is heard in a handful of other U.S. cities. In that regard, it's little different from other syndicated radio shows, such as National Public Radio's "Morning Edition," or programs hosted by such personalities as Tom Joyner, Don Imus and Rush Limbaugh. Such syndicated fare has been blamed for destroying radio's "localism" and for its homogenization, with sound-alike stations from coast to coast.

As its name implied, "The Real D.C. Morning Show" was a hometown production. It featured four hosts -- Tony Richards, Sharon "TC" Pitt, George Willborn and Herman Washington -- who discussed local personalities, issues and news, and took music requests and calls from residents. The station's promos even subtly mocked the syndicated competition by bragging that the show was "not live via satellite, but live."

As of last month, however, it no longer was. WHUR -- a for-profit station despite its nonprofit parentage -- ended "Real D.C.'s" five-year run without an on-air announcement. Harvey's program, airing 6 to 10 a.m., began Monday.

Since then, outrage.

A message board maintained by Pitt ( http://www.sistacircle.com ) has been filling up with denunciations of WHUR's management and notes of support for the fired hosts -- about 2,500 combined as of yesterday. Pitt, meanwhile, said yesterday she would "go back to the station in a minute" if asked. "I was born and raised here," she said. "This was my dream job."

Separately, an anonymous listener has collected about 400 "signatures" for an online petition that states, "We, the former listeners of WHUR, will boycott the station until our voices are heard and until The Real DC Morning Show has returned."

Tonya Brewington, a regular listener of the D.C. program, called WHUR's decision to cancel the show "jarring" because of the change in tone -- Harvey's show often emphasizes edgier humor, compared with "Real D.C.'s" more gentle, folksy style.

"I think it's a very bad choice," said Brewington, a Web designer who lives in the District. "I think the people who listen to [the program] are not the same audience for Steve Harvey. . . . It was more of a community show. You're not going to find out what happened in D.C. the night before by listening to a show out of New York. It's a sad commentary for a radio station that's associated with a prestigious university."

Several people at the station, including program director Dave Dickinson, said they were not authorized to talk about the matter publicly. They referred a reporter to Jim Watkins, WHUR's general manager. Watkins did not return multiple requests for comment yesterday.

The decision might look puzzling in light of the program's ratings. The show ranked third in its time period (behind top-rated WMMJ and WPGC) among adult listeners ages 25 to 54, according to Arbitron Co.'s most recent quarterly survey. In other words, it was a strong performer during radio's most competitive time of the day among the listeners most sought by radio advertisers.

But that also means WHUR ranked third in a long-running four-way battle for supremacy among African American listeners. The big four "urban" stations in Washington regularly split this audience. And all three of WHUR's main competitors have superstar hosts in the morning: WMMJ (102.3 FM) features Joyner, who formerly was heard on WHUR; WPGC (95.5 FM) carries Donnie Simpson; and WKYS (93.9 FM) airs Russ Parr's show.

Of those shows, only Simpson's focuses on the Washington area. Joyner broadcasts from the Midwest. Parr, based in the D.C. area, tailors his show for a national audience.

Programs that seek to attract African American listeners often have emphasized connections to their community to set them apart from mainstream stations, said Charlie Sislen, a partner in Research Director Inc., an Annapolis-based consulting firm. "To not have a local morning show is very surprising," said Sislen, whose clients include WPGC.

WHUR, however, racked up big ratings with Joyner's syndicated show until it lost that program to rival WMMJ in August 2000.

Sean Ross, a radio consultant with Edison Media Research, said Harvey's program has performed well on stations that have picked it up since it began syndication six months ago. "He's certainly the high-impact alternative to Joyner at the moment," said Ross of the 50-year-old Harvey. "Joyner hasn't stopped being Joyner, but [Harvey] is interesting. His celebrity will help him pull in a younger audience."

As for WHUR, Ross said, it was "prepared to do what everyone has to do to build a morning show until a compelling option came along."
 
some syndication.

I think Jamz is missing the mark. It's not that some stations carry syndicated programming, it's that the people in charge of content are so far removed from the listener. Here are some points-
-Canada mandates local content for its' stations, and the people don't like it.
-I love a good local freeform music show, but I also enjoyed King Biscuit Flower Hour, National Lampoon Radio Hour, and that groovy little show Redbeard does on Sunday night.
-It's not so much the voicetracking that makes a station stale, as the national consultants and programmers who think they know better than the local guys what the local audience will enjoy.
-We, as local programmers, might have a clear vision of what we think would work, but sometimes things out of our control conspire to thwart our success.
-Managers have to answser to those above them, and can you imagine walking into Mark Mays office, and saying "This long haired scruffy guy who smells like burning rope tells me he thinks he can help us make some money, or we could just go with this guy who has this established track record in other markets".
As an on-air professional, I hate the effect the telecom act of '96 has had on my employment options. Voicetracking has further reduced the number of jobs for live announcers. But this has always been a business where the strong thrive and the weak go do something else. Even before consolidation and satellite syndication, there were local programmers and announcers who failed miserably.
For every Bill Mack or Kidd Kraddick there are hundreds and hundreds of guys and gals who sit around griping about missing the brass ring.
It's the future- live it or live with it.
g
 
> > > > I've been reading about all the local jocks that have
> > lost
> > >
> > > > their jobs for this syndication crap. Not only do the
>
> > > > personalities lose, but the listener lose as well. No
>
> > > > localism. It's just like only having the world news
> to
> > > > watch on tv, with no 6pm or 10pm news. You have to
> hear
> >
> > > > about everything that's going on in the world, and the
>
> > > only
> > > > way that you hear about what's going on in your area,
> is
> >
> > > if
> > > > it's something major.
> > > >
> > > > And contests: You have to compete with Jack, John,
> and
> > > Judy
> > > > from Mississippi, Montana, and everywhere else for a
> > > $1000.
> > > > It's hard enough competing for that change locally.
> > > >
> > > > It is sad, but syndication is killing radio. It's
> just
> > > like
> > > > a complete stranger that comes from a whole other
> > country,
> > >
> > > > moving into your house with you. You're going to have
> a
> >
> > > > hard time relating to them.
> > > >
> > > > I miss the way radio used to be.
> > > >
> > > Jamz, this why I gave up on terrestrial radio, save 820
> > (for
> > > news) awhile back. It been one of the worst business
> > > decisions the "suits" ever came up with in this
> business.
> > > Syndication for programs is one thing, its exposed users
>
> > to
> > > new talent they never have heard before. But when it
> comes
> >
> > > to local flavor and contest, its been detramental. Its
> > > another way the CC's and CBS Radios' of the world try to
>
> > > maximize their dollar,all in the while letting the
> product
> >
> > > quality suffer.
> > >
> > JAMZ is dead on with this issue.The arguement being given
> by
> > those who support syndication is that the Listeners don't
> > care. Unfortunately they right in one respect. Since the
> > stupidity act of 1996 commonlyreferred to as
> "telecom"todays
> > listeners have been molded and weened off what was better
> > radio that was local.Today they have accepted the crapof
> > radio and sought out other formsto be entertained
> > with,internet,mp players,satellite,etc. Satellite is
> growing
> > becasue it offers over all what radio was like;new
> > undiscovered artists, air talent that knew and appreciated
>
> > the music of their respective formats,without liner
> > cards,preselected songs to be played when,etc.It has more
> > personality than most terrestial stations today. The
> owners
> > complain that they are not making money with the earth
> bound
> > stations.That is what brought forth the stupidity act of
> > 1996.Hell,the answer was simple;if you don't make money
> sell
> > the damn thing!Let someone else can,but it didn't work
> that
> > way.Owners failed to realize that good solid competition
> > could only make their product better and more
> > invigorated,not homoginized,assemblyline crap that is
> radio
> > today. Don't hand me the line there is good competiton
> > today,and cite that KPLX competes with KLUV or K104
> competes
> > with KSCS. Its strictly format vs competitor with the same
>
> > format. KLUV has no competiton,because there isn't another
>
> > oldies station in DFW.Same goes for KZPS(the bone is not a
>
> > serious contender),WRR,KAAM,KLTY and so it goes.These
> > stations do not compete against stations with the same
> > format!Period!Thats how radio was and WORKED! They went
> out
> > and promoted themselves as a community station,and met
> their
> > listeners,and actually did some public afairs shows with
> > them. At the same time they made you feel that listening
> to
> > their respective station was fun and larger than life. Now
>
> > its wall paper with the same coat of white paint over it.
> > The basics with one pd who knew how to program,a news
> person
> > who knew how to report, on air jocks who knew the music of
>
> > the format,and could adlib,be conversational,and blend in
> > with the other DJ's was successful radio.. The arguement
> > today is"That was yesterday and yesterday is gone" Yeah it
>
> > is,and what a damn dirty shame too.Todays broadcasters
> that
> > have been in the business 10years or less have accepted
> > todays way of programming just so they can have a gig,with
>
> > fewer listeners than before. They will argue against what
> I
> > said as being "old school".To them I say,you're not doing
> > radio. You're somebody on an assembly line doing what your
>
> > real estate agent tells you to do. You're not an
> individual
> > just someone who collects a check barely enough to meet
> your
> > living expenses,while somebody is making money off of
> > you,when you should share in the commission yourself. I am
>
> > sure some will pipe in saying I am bitter. Guilty as
> charged
> > BUT I am working,and doing well in the media,so my
> > bitterness is not there,its in the way we have allowed
> radio
> > to become,a boring abyss. National contests maybe
> economical
> > from a real estate owners point of view but it cheats your
>
> > listener and frustration is only cultivated in them at
> your
> > stations. Being daring,creative,original,are taboo in
> todays
> > radio. If one station seems to be a success..xerox
> it.Don't
> > dare to be an individual! Be bland and accept whatever
> > profit comes your way,knowing it could be more only if you
>
> > try to serve your community and dare to be creative along
> > the way.
>
>
> KPLEX:
>
> Same old post again from you. btw....can you let us all know
> what business your doing well in? I assume it's media
> related? Curious to know. Oh, KLUV DID have competition at
> one time and they still won.
> >
>
DUDE: Same ol' Catfish..when seasons start to change you get bitter. KLUV did have competition at ONE Time,before the telecom act and BEFORE you worked there. KODZ failed due to poor financial backing,and KLUV was well established. I'll let your curiousity roam BTW.
 
Re: THIS IS WHY I POSTED THIS SUBJECT...

> This is a article from The Washington Post about a local
> radio station dumping its local morning show for Steve
> Harvey, (Just like KRNB):
>
>
>
> WHUR Gets An Earful for Axing Show
>
> By Paul Farhi
> Washington Post Staff Writer
> Thursday, March 9, 2006; Page C01
>
> Radio-listening habits die hard. Just ask WHUR, which is
> discovering what happens when management gets between the
> audience and its favorite morning show.
>
> Since dumping its popular morning team and replacing it this
> week with comedian Steve Harvey's syndicated program, the
> District radio station (96.3 FM) has been deluged with
> complaints by the hundreds. The backlash has inspired calls
> for a boycott of the station, which is owned by Howard
> University and has been among the highest-rated in the
> market.
>
>
>
> The cancellation of WHUR's "The Real D.C. Morning Show"
> raises a broader question: What's become of "local"
> programming in a medium that has long traded on its
> community ties and good-neighbor image?
>
> Critics of WHUR's decision say that Harvey's show --
> starring one of the "Kings of Comedy," who had a WB sitcom
> for years -- originates from New York and is heard in a
> handful of other U.S. cities. In that regard, it's little
> different from other syndicated radio shows, such as
> National Public Radio's "Morning Edition," or programs
> hosted by such personalities as Tom Joyner, Don Imus and
> Rush Limbaugh. Such syndicated fare has been blamed for
> destroying radio's "localism" and for its homogenization,
> with sound-alike stations from coast to coast.
>
> As its name implied, "The Real D.C. Morning Show" was a
> hometown production. It featured four hosts -- Tony
> Richards, Sharon "TC" Pitt, George Willborn and Herman
> Washington -- who discussed local personalities, issues and
> news, and took music requests and calls from residents. The
> station's promos even subtly mocked the syndicated
> competition by bragging that the show was "not live via
> satellite, but live."
>
> As of last month, however, it no longer was. WHUR -- a
> for-profit station despite its nonprofit parentage -- ended
> "Real D.C.'s" five-year run without an on-air announcement.
> Harvey's program, airing 6 to 10 a.m., began Monday.
>
> Since then, outrage.
>
> A message board maintained by Pitt (
> http://www.sistacircle.com ) has been filling up with
> denunciations of WHUR's management and notes of support for
> the fired hosts -- about 2,500 combined as of yesterday.
> Pitt, meanwhile, said yesterday she would "go back to the
> station in a minute" if asked. "I was born and raised here,"
> she said. "This was my dream job."
>
> Separately, an anonymous listener has collected about 400
> "signatures" for an online petition that states, "We, the
> former listeners of WHUR, will boycott the station until our
> voices are heard and until The Real DC Morning Show has
> returned."
>
> Tonya Brewington, a regular listener of the D.C. program,
> called WHUR's decision to cancel the show "jarring" because
> of the change in tone -- Harvey's show often emphasizes
> edgier humor, compared with "Real D.C.'s" more gentle,
> folksy style.
>
> "I think it's a very bad choice," said Brewington, a Web
> designer who lives in the District. "I think the people who
> listen to [the program] are not the same audience for Steve
> Harvey. . . . It was more of a community show. You're not
> going to find out what happened in D.C. the night before by
> listening to a show out of New York. It's a sad commentary
> for a radio station that's associated with a prestigious
> university."
>
> Several people at the station, including program director
> Dave Dickinson, said they were not authorized to talk about
> the matter publicly. They referred a reporter to Jim
> Watkins, WHUR's general manager. Watkins did not return
> multiple requests for comment yesterday.
>
> The decision might look puzzling in light of the program's
> ratings. The show ranked third in its time period (behind
> top-rated WMMJ and WPGC) among adult listeners ages 25 to
> 54, according to Arbitron Co.'s most recent quarterly
> survey. In other words, it was a strong performer during
> radio's most competitive time of the day among the listeners
> most sought by radio advertisers.
>
> But that also means WHUR ranked third in a long-running
> four-way battle for supremacy among African American
> listeners. The big four "urban" stations in Washington
> regularly split this audience. And all three of WHUR's main
> competitors have superstar hosts in the morning: WMMJ (102.3
> FM) features Joyner, who formerly was heard on WHUR; WPGC
> (95.5 FM) carries Donnie Simpson; and WKYS (93.9 FM) airs
> Russ Parr's show.
>
> Of those shows, only Simpson's focuses on the Washington
> area. Joyner broadcasts from the Midwest. Parr, based in the
> D.C. area, tailors his show for a national audience.
>
> Programs that seek to attract African American listeners
> often have emphasized connections to their community to set
> them apart from mainstream stations, said Charlie Sislen, a
> partner in Research Director Inc., an Annapolis-based
> consulting firm. "To not have a local morning show is very
> surprising," said Sislen, whose clients include WPGC.
>
> WHUR, however, racked up big ratings with Joyner's
> syndicated show until it lost that program to rival WMMJ in
> August 2000.
>
> Sean Ross, a radio consultant with Edison Media Research,
> said Harvey's program has performed well on stations that
> have picked it up since it began syndication six months ago.
> "He's certainly the high-impact alternative to Joyner at the
> moment," said Ross of the 50-year-old Harvey. "Joyner hasn't
> stopped being Joyner, but [Harvey] is interesting. His
> celebrity will help him pull in a younger audience."
>
> As for WHUR, Ross said, it was "prepared to do what everyone
> has to do to build a morning show until a compelling option
> came along."
>
Great article and some say listeners don't care.
 
Re: THIS IS WHY I POSTED THIS SUBJECT...

> > This is a article from The Washington Post about a local
> > radio station dumping its local morning show for Steve
> > Harvey, (Just like KRNB):
> >
> >
> >
> > WHUR Gets An Earful for Axing Show
> >
> > By Paul Farhi
> > Washington Post Staff Writer
> > Thursday, March 9, 2006; Page C01
> >
> > Radio-listening habits die hard. Just ask WHUR, which is
> > discovering what happens when management gets between the
> > audience and its favorite morning show.
> >
> > Since dumping its popular morning team and replacing it
> this
> > week with comedian Steve Harvey's syndicated program, the
> > District radio station (96.3 FM) has been deluged with
> > complaints by the hundreds. The backlash has inspired
> calls
> > for a boycott of the station, which is owned by Howard
> > University and has been among the highest-rated in the
> > market.
> >
> >
> >
> > The cancellation of WHUR's "The Real D.C. Morning Show"
> > raises a broader question: What's become of "local"
> > programming in a medium that has long traded on its
> > community ties and good-neighbor image?
> >
> > Critics of WHUR's decision say that Harvey's show --
> > starring one of the "Kings of Comedy," who had a WB sitcom
>
> > for years -- originates from New York and is heard in a
> > handful of other U.S. cities. In that regard, it's little
> > different from other syndicated radio shows, such as
> > National Public Radio's "Morning Edition," or programs
> > hosted by such personalities as Tom Joyner, Don Imus and
> > Rush Limbaugh. Such syndicated fare has been blamed for
> > destroying radio's "localism" and for its homogenization,
> > with sound-alike stations from coast to coast.
> >
> > As its name implied, "The Real D.C. Morning Show" was a
> > hometown production. It featured four hosts -- Tony
> > Richards, Sharon "TC" Pitt, George Willborn and Herman
> > Washington -- who discussed local personalities, issues
> and
> > news, and took music requests and calls from residents.
> The
> > station's promos even subtly mocked the syndicated
> > competition by bragging that the show was "not live via
> > satellite, but live."
> >
> > As of last month, however, it no longer was. WHUR -- a
> > for-profit station despite its nonprofit parentage --
> ended
> > "Real D.C.'s" five-year run without an on-air
> announcement.
> > Harvey's program, airing 6 to 10 a.m., began Monday.
> >
> > Since then, outrage.
> >
> > A message board maintained by Pitt (
> > http://www.sistacircle.com ) has been filling up with
> > denunciations of WHUR's management and notes of support
> for
> > the fired hosts -- about 2,500 combined as of yesterday.
> > Pitt, meanwhile, said yesterday she would "go back to the
> > station in a minute" if asked. "I was born and raised
> here,"
> > she said. "This was my dream job."
> >
> > Separately, an anonymous listener has collected about 400
> > "signatures" for an online petition that states, "We, the
> > former listeners of WHUR, will boycott the station until
> our
> > voices are heard and until The Real DC Morning Show has
> > returned."
> >
> > Tonya Brewington, a regular listener of the D.C. program,
> > called WHUR's decision to cancel the show "jarring"
> because
> > of the change in tone -- Harvey's show often emphasizes
> > edgier humor, compared with "Real D.C.'s" more gentle,
> > folksy style.
> >
> > "I think it's a very bad choice," said Brewington, a Web
> > designer who lives in the District. "I think the people
> who
> > listen to [the program] are not the same audience for
> Steve
> > Harvey. . . . It was more of a community show. You're not
> > going to find out what happened in D.C. the night before
> by
> > listening to a show out of New York. It's a sad commentary
>
> > for a radio station that's associated with a prestigious
> > university."
> >
> > Several people at the station, including program director
> > Dave Dickinson, said they were not authorized to talk
> about
> > the matter publicly. They referred a reporter to Jim
> > Watkins, WHUR's general manager. Watkins did not return
> > multiple requests for comment yesterday.
> >
> > The decision might look puzzling in light of the program's
>
> > ratings. The show ranked third in its time period (behind
> > top-rated WMMJ and WPGC) among adult listeners ages 25 to
> > 54, according to Arbitron Co.'s most recent quarterly
> > survey. In other words, it was a strong performer during
> > radio's most competitive time of the day among the
> listeners
> > most sought by radio advertisers.
> >
> > But that also means WHUR ranked third in a long-running
> > four-way battle for supremacy among African American
> > listeners. The big four "urban" stations in Washington
> > regularly split this audience. And all three of WHUR's
> main
> > competitors have superstar hosts in the morning: WMMJ
> (102.3
> > FM) features Joyner, who formerly was heard on WHUR; WPGC
> > (95.5 FM) carries Donnie Simpson; and WKYS (93.9 FM) airs
> > Russ Parr's show.
> >
> > Of those shows, only Simpson's focuses on the Washington
> > area. Joyner broadcasts from the Midwest. Parr, based in
> the
> > D.C. area, tailors his show for a national audience.
> >
> > Programs that seek to attract African American listeners
> > often have emphasized connections to their community to
> set
> > them apart from mainstream stations, said Charlie Sislen,
> a
> > partner in Research Director Inc., an Annapolis-based
> > consulting firm. "To not have a local morning show is very
>
> > surprising," said Sislen, whose clients include WPGC.
> >
> > WHUR, however, racked up big ratings with Joyner's
> > syndicated show until it lost that program to rival WMMJ
> in
> > August 2000.
> >
> > Sean Ross, a radio consultant with Edison Media Research,
> > said Harvey's program has performed well on stations that
> > have picked it up since it began syndication six months
> ago.
> > "He's certainly the high-impact alternative to Joyner at
> the
> > moment," said Ross of the 50-year-old Harvey. "Joyner
> hasn't
> > stopped being Joyner, but [Harvey] is interesting. His
> > celebrity will help him pull in a younger audience."
> >
> > As for WHUR, Ross said, it was "prepared to do what
> everyone
> > has to do to build a morning show until a compelling
> option
> > came along."
> >
> Great article and some say listeners don't care.
>
Well, im all for local flavor,but like I said previously, syndication isnt necessarly a bad thing. I like the fact there are programs like Lovelines,Tom Leykis and Phil Hendrie(who deserves a home in the dallas market) because it adds variety to the "Local Color" in this market. If you want a true local O&O in this market, go listen to KNON 89.3 and see how "dog and pony" that thing sounds at times, esp during the "Energy 89.3" block.
 
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