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How much does a processingconsultant ask these days?

Let's say you bought brandspanking new high tech audio-processing and -streaming software. But to get a really nice preset you'll have to pay another $200 per preset? For that you get an encrypted file that can be imported (I guess...). BTW: this preset can be purchased by anybody, so it's not 'your unique signature'.

I'm wondering how that would make you guys feel? Would you buy it?
 
Sounds like a rip off to me. Why not experiment yourself before you spend 200 for a preset. Most companies offer support services and will help you make the changes to get the sonic signature you are working towards. Omnia, Orban, Wheatstone, Inovonics, BW Warehouse, etc would all support the products they sell. If you tell us what the software is then maybe someone here will chime in on some recommendations. Otherwise, we are shooting in the dark.
 
Also, I thought I saw on some site where engineering types share some of their favorite presets. In fact I was hoping to try some presets for the Omnia One down the road to see what others have discovered.

BTW: I don't know how "encrypted" it can be, since once it gets into the box you can likely just export it out. Sounds more of a sales ploy to me.
 
I used to have fake dials that the Program Director got to tweak. They only affected the monitor in his office, but it satisfied his need to adjust "on air" audio. You can fool some of the people all of the time...
 
The audio processing manufacturers have the most accessible and helpful pros in the entire radio industry. You shouldn't need to hire a consultant when you can get your guidance right from the guys who built the processor you're using. Heck, Bob Orban is still happy to give advice on the Optimod 8000, a product his company hasn't made in over 30 years!
 
I was just wondering because appearantly 'killer presets' will be offered for the new 9/XE software for $200 each. Not by Omnia I should add, but by a much respected engineer.
 
Some corrections...

The .9/xe can't be purchased yet, but the MSRP is $1450 per stereo instance. [1] Maybe you are thinking of the .A/XE?

The information richard.vanderveen is referring to says that it's $200 for two presets, one for Undo™ and one for processing. What wasn't written is that there will be variants for dayparting/scheduling/gpio(9-only)/http triggering purposes. The Undo preset "Encite" which is 3 months of work, based on 4 months previous work, and the processing preset "Balancing Act" which is 9 months of work, based on 5 years previous work.

Presets for any .9 series are compatible with each other, so any unprotected preset can be loaded into any other .9 series box or software, so far. Protected presets created on a .9 series can only be loaded by the .9 that protected them. Obviously there is another way to target a protected preset for a specific .9 series box/software.

The preset protection in the .9 series does actually encrypt the presets with public (mac address) and private (password) keys using AES encryption. While NfRemote doesn't allow you to save the presets to the local machine, it is only done out of convenience so that you don't have protected presets floating around that aren't properly labeled etc. It's easy to get the presets from the .9/xe's user directory, or from a .9 with a keyboard (but take caution not to void your warranty), but you'll have to crack AES encryption to make the file any more useful than a backup. Backing up and restoring settings it already much easier. [2]

That is all, carry on. :)

-J


Notes
1. http://goo.gl/1MPJ5q
2. http://goo.gl/c71IX7
 
@Jesse
When I discovered Breakaway, I was completely blown away by both Live and Broadcast. And it seemed I was not alone. In no time a large userbase was created. radiostations all over the world could now afford top-of-the-line processing without having to spend thousands of dollars.

That loyal userbase became an instant marketingtool for the product. And, so it was promised by the people behind Breakaway, it would only get better. A new framework would offer unprecendented possibilities and functionality users asked for would be added in 'the new version'. Users were teased and kept on their toes with 'passive agressor', a new preset that could beat anything out there. In fact, the quality of Breakaway and mouth to mouth advertising was so powerful that the big O's scratched their heads. One of them made the engineer that created this awesome software an offer he just could not refuse. An offer no-one in his right mind would turn down.

The Breakaway community feared that would be the end of Breakaway as they knew it. But they completely understood the choice that was made and cherished what they had. The engineer nevertheless promised, again and again, Breakaway would definately be updated and would reach a 1.0 status. So the community sat on their hands and waited because they understood 'The big red O' consumed a lot of time.

Then the 'The big red O' hardware version of Breakaway emerged. And everybody cheered because with the introduction of this new framework and 'Undo' new levels of perfection had been achieved. The price however was somewhat of a disappointment, it was in the 'I don't have that kind of money' range. Nevertheless everybody could understand the fact that spareparts, services and licences cost money too. And hey, this was surely a sneak preview of things to come, a preview of the new Breakaway that was promised to all users.

But time past and no new version was released. The engineer that once was so responsive now seemed to ignore questions and didn't even answer direct questions on the Breakaway userforum. The forum started to die and here and there some complaints could be heared. Not about the old Breakaway, not about the choices made, but about lack of... let's call it honesty. People could simply not understand why, years later, the engineer that provided such a great tool to small broadcasters now simply abandoned them without even saying goodbye. With only that promise echoing in their ears.

During IBC 2013 Omnia 9/XE was released. It offers functionality that was once promised to the Breakaway community. And more. Running on the same new framework as O.9 but without MPX output it offers perfect processing for online and/or digital use. Breakaway Live but better. And more than 10x the price. And with that it is out of reach of those who had marketed Breakaway to the world. And great setting are no longer shared but sold seperately. One preset costing more than what the old Breakaway Live can be bought for.

Again: No one judges anybody for grabbing a great business opportunity. No one. But when has this become a sensitive subject? And why? Why has Leif turned his back on Breakaway users? Why does he have an active Facebook account but does he not answer that one big question on the Forum about the future of Breakaway?

You could off course tell me to ask Leif himself but when I asked him if the new Breakaway Live is gonna be like the processing part of Omnia 9/XE? And if the new Breakaway will indeed be released this year, I did not get an answer. I just got piched. Thread:
http://radiodiscussions.com/showthr...ke-this-might-be-the-quot-New-Breakaway-quot-!!
 
Some corrections...

The .9/xe can't be purchased yet, but the MSRP is $1450 per stereo instance. [1] Maybe you are thinking of the .A/XE?

Yup, my mistake... but $200 for a preset is still a good chunk of what the product itself is worth. And if you've been working months on these presets, presumably using a pre-production model of the 9/XE, why not offer your presets to Omnia for inclusion in the product? If your presets are really that good, you'd think they'd be jumping at the chance to include them, and make a good product even better.
 
Richard; I said I would answer a serious and honest question, and you deserve a serious and honest answer. I can not possibly answer your question to your satisfaction, so I am respectfully deciding not to answer to it.


Yup, my mistake... but $200 for a preset is still a good chunk of what the product itself is worth. And if you've been working months on these presets, presumably using a pre-production model of the 9/XE, why not offer your presets to Omnia for inclusion in the product? If your presets are really that good, you'd think they'd be jumping at the chance to include them, and make a good product even better.
Correction; $200 for two presets, with variants.

I initially offered these two presets to Leif, but I was told that they didn't make it into the manual, which is why they won't be shipping with the 9/xe or the next 9 update. I decided to try something new that nobody has ever done before, using the first processor platform that has ever enabled someone to do it.

I haven't been counting or anything, but at least 1/3rd of the presets already in the 9 and 9/xe are by me. I have never been compensated by anyone in cash for any of them.
 
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I initially offered these two presets to Leif, but I was told that they didn't make it into the manual, which is why they won't be shipping with the 9/xe or the next 9 update. I decided to try something new that nobody has ever done before, using the first processor platform that has ever enabled someone to do it.

I haven't been counting or anything, but at least 1/3rd of the presets already in the 9 and 9/xe are by me. I have never been compensated by anyone in cash for any of them.

Do your presets custom-program the firmware using hidden settings that the user normally does not have access to, like the factory presets on earlier Omnia processors used to do, or could a user duplicate your presets by going through the menus and adjusting the available options accordingly?
 
There are no hidden settings in the presets that I know of except for that the name of the creator isn't shown in the GUI, and the status of a preset being factory or not. Unprotected presets are plain text. I don't know if you've play with a 9 before, but there's literally hundreds of settings, and most of them have the potential to interact with each other. Trying to accurately figure out how a sound was created with it wouldn't be feasible. The same as listening to a station on the radio, and exactly copying what it's doing, just way closer to impossible than with many other boxes. But then, what's the point in doing that anyway? :)
 
Some corrections...

The .9/xe can't be purchased yet, but the MSRP is $1450 per stereo instance. [1] Maybe you are thinking of the .A/XE?

The information richard.vanderveen is referring to says that it's $200 for two presets, one for Undo™ and one for processing. What wasn't written is that there will be variants for dayparting/scheduling/gpio(9-only)/http triggering purposes. The Undo preset "Encite" which is 3 months of work, based on 4 months previous work, and the processing preset "Balancing Act" which is 9 months of work, based on 5 years previous work.

Presets for any .9 series are compatible with each other, so any unprotected preset can be loaded into any other .9 series box or software, so far. Protected presets created on a .9 series can only be loaded by the .9 that protected them. Obviously there is another way to target a protected preset for a specific .9 series box/software.

The preset protection in the .9 series does actually encrypt the presets with public (mac address) and private (password) keys using AES encryption. While NfRemote doesn't allow you to save the presets to the local machine, it is only done out of convenience so that you don't have protected presets floating around that aren't properly labeled etc. It's easy to get the presets from the .9/xe's user directory, or from a .9 with a keyboard (but take caution not to void your warranty), but you'll have to crack AES encryption to make the file any more useful than a backup. Backing up and restoring settings it already much easier. [2]

That is all, carry on. :)

-J


Notes
1. http://goo.gl/1MPJ5q
2. http://goo.gl/c71IX7


The Omnia 9/XE is shipping on November 1, according to BGS.

They directed me to the information page on the Omnia website: http://omniaaudio.com/omnia9xe
 
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