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How much longer do you think HD Radio can go on ?

DavidEduardo said:
For the overall success of HD, really nothing else matters.

What - that is laughable ! :D The FCC commissioner stated that the marketplace will decide the pace of the HD rollout - if affect, that statement is saying, that consumer interest will ultimately decide the fate of HD Radio, just as with the failed AM Stereo of the 1980's.
 
radiopilot said:
I see the the pro-HD group has not decided to attack your post as they now know a REAL broadcaster faced with the problems of dealing with the HD propaganda and KNOWING full well the true costs involved and reasons why you feel it's not worth the trouble of opening up the Ibiquity sales brochure!

Radiopilot

I'd be glad to respond to this. Obviously some of us have other things to do than sit here and respond to posts 24 hours a day. His was up here for 11 hours from 12A to 11A on a Sunday morning. Sleep and God take precedence.

I can see the point as a small market operator. If "TheBroker" is who I think he is, his story of the station's fire has been well circulated. A tragedy. He also has been shown to be a true community minded operator who gets service. I salute him. Clearly Small market AM's do not lead the way "In the Industry". While he may lead the way in his community and be a poster child of good station operation, it may be a long time beofre any benefits from HD are apparent.

Note a few of his thoughts. "It makes no sense now." I tend to agree. In this particular situation, today, it makes no sense. This station only has one local copetitor and it is a non format competitor trying to serve a little but bigger town about 20 miles away. (At least it looks like it.)

Now I'll be real close to the last guy to ever pick on a Stand Alone AM operator in 2007. I direct one and I know the challenges. Be you a small fish in a modest pond or a whale in a teacup, it's tough. The Broker gets how to survive.

Is he right? Is he Wrong? Actually there is no right and wrong. Just right and wrong for him.

He, like the 60 stations that "HAVE" decided to convert are determinung the speed of the transition. While his is a music station, I thik the majority of what makes his station work is the local content.

If he can continue to grow an audience playing oldies on a graveyard channel I support it.

He a better operator than most.

Clouseau
 
clouseau said:
I can see the point as a small market operator. If "TheBroker" is who I think he is, his story of the station's fire has been well circulated. A tragedy. He also has been shown to be a true community minded operator who gets service. I salute him. Clearly Small market AM's do not lead the way "In the Industry". While he may lead the way in his community and be a poster child of good station operation, it may be a long time beofre any benefits from HD are apparent.

I suspect I know who "The Broker" is too, and I also salute him and his station. It has been a tough fight.

As a small radio station operator, I have reached the same conclusion as The Broker. There is very little to be gained by small stations at this juncture in our HD adventure. I'd rather put the money into something a little more immediate. Even giving the money to charity would do a lot more for my community than switching to HD.

HD is a technology that favors large stations and is potentially harmful for small stations. Give it 10-20 years, and we'll do another reality check. By that time something much better may have come along. Meanwhile, for many of us, the best thing to do (about HD) is nothing.
 
And I do not put any stock in the assertion that one day everybody will have an HD Radio. First, you can't buy one anywhere near here.

I have no idea who TheBroker is, but I'll just ask one question: are there no Radio Shacks, Best Buys or WalMarts near your market? Maybe there aren't, of course...without knowing where he/she is, I can't say. But there are a whole bunch o Walmarts out there, if not anyone else (selling HD Radio's for $200, not $300...actually $187.62 plus shipping). And Radiosophy has announced at NAB that they're selling their new HD Radio receiver for $99. Yeah, it's not $20 yet...but it's only really been two years since HD Radio receivers were available AT ALL and it's already dropped by 80% (the Boston Acoustics Recepter HD originally sold for $500). Give it another two or three years and we'll start getting much closer to the $20 radio.

Even so, I agree that HD Radio may very well make no sense for him/her at this stage. Especially if it's possible for him to put in an AM transmitter today that is IBOC-capable for tomorrow. But I wouldn't put too much stock in the overall scarcity of IBOC receivers just yet.

Remember, until the FCC codified the rules in March, there were a whoooooole lot of OEM's that felt things were "too unsettled" to commit the tens (even hundreds) of millions of dollars to research, design, manufacturer, market and ship IBOC receivers. For an OEM, it takes a lot more convincing than even the most anti-IBOC Radio-Info poster before they'll commit to a major change in their manufacturing strategy. Anyways, now that the FCC has "officially" (I put it in quotes merely because it hasn't entered the Federal Register yet) made HD Radio the DAB strategy that AM & FM will be following in the USA, I suspect you'll see more IBOC-capable receivers from the big powerhouses of Sony and Panasonic. You'll also see more auto manufacturers putting IBOC-capable receivers in their cars, too.

Siport's remarkable new IBOC chip, mentioned in a recent Radio World, looks like it will largely solve the problems that portable HD Radio was facing...which fills the admittedly huge hole of portable boomboxes and walkmans for IBOC. That chip should be appearing in products in time for Christmas 2007...seems a bit aggressive a timeline, so I'll believe that time estimate when I see it. Even so, if they're saying "Christmas 2007" I have to think we'll see IBOC Walkmans no later than 2008.

Between those two factors, I'll wager we'll start seeing about 10-20% of all radios sold everywhere will be HD Radio-capable within 4 or 5 years, and within 10 years it'll probably be over 50%.
 
webcastboy said:
Between those two factors, I'll wager we'll start seeing about 10-20% of all radios sold everywhere will be HD Radio-capable within 4 or 5 years, and within 10 years it'll probably be over 50%.

Obviously this stuff is Vaporware until it's out, but I would agree with your assessment. I do think it will start to show up in radios "Just like stereo" in a while. Right now it's still pretty much "bleeding edge". I will not be as pompous as many and state "It Will happen." I'm sure some will proclaim it "WON'T happen" or post 20 unrelated links about people who "SAY" it won't happen.

Chuck, you folks have a little different mission than many others, but I wouldn't be surprised that with your two translators there might not be a fairly respectable "Donation and Underwriting" stream for nichecasting High school sports or maybe a brokered deal on HD-2 or HD-3. And I confess I have not gotten down to see if the "OK to broker multicast" applies to Non Coms and LP's like the "OK to rent out your SCA" does.

It strikes me you are a similar to my situation on FM. I ain't breaking down the door, but I sure as heck have it on the radar.

Clouseau
 
FMXtra for $10k ,just the encoder and the source material. Too bad it wont work on AM, but for small market FMs and small non-comm . For tuners , it is now where HD Radio was in 2005.
 
Personally I hope future radios incorporate FMExtra TOO. Then small stations can choose the system to use, and larger stations can use "all of the above" if they want to offer lots of digital content. Everybody wins.

FMExtra may be where HD Radio was in 2005, but the difference is that the FCC has adopted HD Radio THIS year. There are radios out there, more on the way, and thousands of stations. Tick, tick, tick...FMExtra COULD still make an impression, but they need to do SERIOUS arm-twisting with receiver manufacturers NOW. And it's the old chicken-or-egg thing..."why should I include FMExtra when there are almost no stations?" "Why should I go FMExtra instead of HD when there are no radios?" I hope there's a way out of this, but I doubt it.
 
To clarify, TheBroker is Josh Wilkey, President of Countrywide Broadcasters in Middlesboro, Kentucky. He (pardon the third-person references) owns WFXY and WANO, in Middlesboro and Pineville, respectively. He also has a horrible case of insomnia, so he posts here at all hours of the night quite often, which would explain why nobody replied for a while, I suppose.

Between Middlesboro and Pineville, the two towns I operate in, there are five stations. Two are owned by the big Baptist Church in town, and run Moody Bible Institute formats. With the exception of a few ballgames here and there, they have very little local content, as they have a staff of one. The fifth station, after my two, is an FM which is currently not even on the air. Until about a week ago, it was on the air at very low power, with some sort of high-pitched squeal in the carrier, which I assumed to be her exciter marching toward death. That's neither here nor there, though, and doesn't really relate to the topic at hand.

True, I run two music formats. However, between brand-new BE transmitters and Omnia processors, my stations sound great. Sound quality isn't a problem I'm looking for a solution to. And of course, as radiopilot mentioned, music isn't nearly as much a contributor to the success of my stations as local content is. Some of you may have heard about the recent tornado in Tazewell, TN. It was on national news. Tazewell is about ten minutes from here, and both my stations were broadcasting live covering the storm to keep our residents updated. The cable was out in much of the county, and we do not get TV signals here in most places, so the radio was the only place people could turn for local content. Incidentally, my stations covered the emergency, while the other stations in town carried on with their regular automated formats. Each day, I broadcast extended local newscasts five times, and we try our level best to do what all small market radio stations should do: serve our community. That is what sets us apart, and this sort of local content sets us apart much more than a cleaner signal ever could, particularly considering that we have an incredibly clean signal already.

As for availability of receivers, I stand by my original statement. We have a Radio Shack, yes, but the selection there is very limited. I can't even find the most basic wiring supplies there, much less HD Radios. In fact, I went in to ask for one the other day, and the clerk looked at me as if I'd laid a purple egg on the counter right in front of him. As for Best Buy, the closest one is a little over an hour away. After I posted last night, since I couldn't sleep anyway, I ventured to the local WalMart. I looked specifically for an HD Radio and found none. And again, the clerk I spoke with had no idea what I was talking about. Sure, you can order them online from WalMart, even at $200 instead of the $300 I quoted. However, the problem remains that the average joe in my market still isn't going to shell out that much money for a radio, even if he can afford to.

Let's look at HD Radio from the viewpoint of the average small town resident. When faced with the opportunity to shell out $200 for a new radio, what would prompt him or her to do so? Let's even assume that one or two stations in this small town broadcast in HD. First, it isn't reasonable to think that the average paycheck-to-paycheck individual can even afford to plunk down $200 on a radio, or even $100 when the price drops again. It's a luxury, and not even a good one at that. However, let's say the listener in question can afford to buy it. Why would he? When he does, he's going to get it home, plug it in, and maybe hear one or two stations in HD. Otherwise, it serves no purpose other than to do what the $7 clock radio on his nightstand will do. Is the small difference in sound quality he'll get on the two stations he can pick up worth the $193 (or even $93) price difference? My bet is that the average person in my market won't think so. And of course, with no local stations broadcasting in HD, there's practically no chance he's going to buy the receiver.

What we have in a great many circumstances is a Catch 22 situation. We broadcasters aren't willing to implement HD until the market is saturated with receivers. However, the market isn't willing to buy the receivers in bulk until we broadcasters start implementing HD. There's no universally right or wrong answer here. Clouseau is very right in saying that right and wrong may vary with each of us based upon our specific situations.

Now, for what it's worth, which may not be much, here's what I see for the future of HD Radio. The stations in larger markets, by and large, have already turned it on, and a good many already multicast. I think it will eventually prove viable there. If the price of the receivers continues to drop, I'm willing to bet that a good many listeners in those bigger markets will buy them. HD Multicasts will be great for things like sports broadcasts and niche formats, and I personally think it'll catch on in the bigger markets. Will we ever reach a point, though, where every resident in my town has an HD receiver, and I find it economically viable to turn on the HD? I sincerely doubt it. I just see no benefit, ever. Could things change? Sure. Do I think they will in my situation? No.

As I said, I've crunched the numbers. I know how much, almost to the penny, it'd cost me to implement HD Radio. I also know I'd be wasting the money right now. During the past two years, I've completely rebuilt my stations from the ground up, then rebuilt the one which was destroyed last month. In total, I've already spent literally twice as much as it'd cost to implement HD. Now I'm not going to poor-mouth and say we are barely getting along, because frankly we do quite well. I'm not on a "poor me, tough standalone AM in an FM world" trip. However, I've made a large investment, and we do what we should in terms of serving our listeners. If the FCC were ever to think of mandating IBOC implementation, I'd fight tooth-and-nail against it, as would a good many small town broadcasters.

In the meantime, I'm very happy with how my stations are doing. If I feel like plunking down $80,000 for anything, I'll put it into the other black hole I love. I have a beautiful Piper Arrow in my hangar at the Middlesboro Airport, and I'd get much more benefit out of using the money for some new avionics than anybody ever would out of me turning on HD at my radio stations.
 
thebroker said:
To clarify, TheBroker is Josh Wilkey, President of Countrywide Broadcasters in Middlesboro, Kentucky. He (pardon the third-person references) owns WFXY and WANO, in Middlesboro and Pineville, respectively. He also has a horrible case of insomnia, so he posts here at all hours of the night quite often, which would explain why nobody replied for a while, I suppose.

Between Middlesboro and Pineville, the two towns I operate in, there are five stations. Two are owned by the big Baptist Church in town, and run Moody Bible Institute formats. With the exception of a few ballgames here and there, they have very little local content, as they have a staff of one. The fifth station, after my two, is an FM which is currently not even on the air. Until about a week ago, it was on the air at very low power, with some sort of high-pitched squeal in the carrier, which I assumed to be her exciter marching toward death. That's neither here nor there, though, and doesn't really relate to the topic at hand.

True, I run two music formats. However, between brand-new BE transmitters and Omnia processors, my stations sound great. Sound quality isn't a problem I'm looking for a solution to. And of course, as radiopilot mentioned, music isn't nearly as much a contributor to the success of my stations as local content is. Some of you may have heard about the recent tornado in Tazewell, TN. It was on national news. Tazewell is about ten minutes from here, and both my stations were broadcasting live covering the storm to keep our residents updated. The cable was out in much of the county, and we do not get TV signals here in most places, so the radio was the only place people could turn for local content. Incidentally, my stations covered the emergency, while the other stations in town carried on with their regular automated formats. Each day, I broadcast extended local newscasts five times, and we try our level best to do what all small market radio stations should do: serve our community. That is what sets us apart, and this sort of local content sets us apart much more than a cleaner signal ever could, particularly considering that we have an incredibly clean signal already.

As for availability of receivers, I stand by my original statement. We have a Radio Shack, yes, but the selection there is very limited. I can't even find the most basic wiring supplies there, much less HD Radios. In fact, I went in to ask for one the other day, and the clerk looked at me as if I'd laid a purple egg on the counter right in front of him. As for Best Buy, the closest one is a little over an hour away. After I posted last night, since I couldn't sleep anyway, I ventured to the local WalMart. I looked specifically for an HD Radio and found none. And again, the clerk I spoke with had no idea what I was talking about. Sure, you can order them online from WalMart, even at $200 instead of the $300 I quoted. However, the problem remains that the average joe in my market still isn't going to shell out that much money for a radio, even if he can afford to.

Let's look at HD Radio from the viewpoint of the average small town resident. When faced with the opportunity to shell out $200 for a new radio, what would prompt him or her to do so? Let's even assume that one or two stations in this small town broadcast in HD. First, it isn't reasonable to think that the average paycheck-to-paycheck individual can even afford to plunk down $200 on a radio, or even $100 when the price drops again. It's a luxury, and not even a good one at that. However, let's say the listener in question can afford to buy it. Why would he? When he does, he's going to get it home, plug it in, and maybe hear one or two stations in HD. Otherwise, it serves no purpose other than to do what the $7 clock radio on his nightstand will do. Is the small difference in sound quality he'll get on the two stations he can pick up worth the $193 (or even $93) price difference? My bet is that the average person in my market won't think so. And of course, with no local stations broadcasting in HD, there's practically no chance he's going to buy the receiver.

What we have in a great many circumstances is a Catch 22 situation. We broadcasters aren't willing to implement HD until the market is saturated with receivers. However, the market isn't willing to buy the receivers in bulk until we broadcasters start implementing HD. There's no universally right or wrong answer here. Clouseau is very right in saying that right and wrong may vary with each of us based upon our specific situations.

Now, for what it's worth, which may not be much, here's what I see for the future of HD Radio. The stations in larger markets, by and large, have already turned it on, and a good many already multicast. I think it will eventually prove viable there. If the price of the receivers continues to drop, I'm willing to bet that a good many listeners in those bigger markets will buy them. HD Multicasts will be great for things like sports broadcasts and niche formats, and I personally think it'll catch on in the bigger markets. Will we ever reach a point, though, where every resident in my town has an HD receiver, and I find it economically viable to turn on the HD? I sincerely doubt it. I just see no benefit, ever. Could things change? Sure. Do I think they will in my situation? No.

As I said, I've crunched the numbers. I know how much, almost to the penny, it'd cost me to implement HD Radio. I also know I'd be wasting the money right now. During the past two years, I've completely rebuilt my stations from the ground up, then rebuilt the one which was destroyed last month. In total, I've already spent literally twice as much as it'd cost to implement HD. Now I'm not going to poor-mouth and say we are barely getting along, because frankly we do quite well. I'm not on a "poor me, tough standalone AM in an FM world" trip. However, I've made a large investment, and we do what we should in terms of serving our listeners. If the FCC were ever to think of mandating IBOC implementation, I'd fight tooth-and-nail against it, as would a good many small town broadcasters.

In the meantime, I'm very happy with how my stations are doing. If I feel like plunking down $80,000 for anything, I'll put it into the other black hole I love. I have a beautiful Piper Arrow in my hangar at the Middlesboro Airport, and I'd get much more benefit out of using the money for some new avionics than anybody ever would out of me turning on HD at my radio stations.

One of the [points which I amongst others have brought up about AM IBOC is that billing at Analog AM facilities in larger markets is falling off. Much of the reason for that is that large market stations are dependent upon agency buys and agency's don't buy older demographics. That isn't the case in smaller markets wheer I'm sure the percentage of agnecy buys are minimal at best and hence would have no effect on yoru anual operating costs/profits. It's apples and oranges and I'm with others in here who say why purchase HD equipment when it's all cost and no benefit for a small station operator. Maybe at some point in the future if HD does overcome its shortcomings and becomes more comonplace the investment might be worth your while. Until then I think the cost of an IBOC conversion would be thrown out money. The small stations who will have to make the conversion earlier if they want to compete will be those close to a major market where IBOC is already commonplace, but even they have many years to run in strictly analog mode before any changes would be neccessary. Good luck with your stations.
 
thebroker said:
To clarify, TheBroker is Josh Wilkey, President of Countrywide Broadcasters in Middlesboro, Kentucky. He (pardon the third-person references) owns WFXY and WANO, in Middlesboro and Pineville, respectively. He also has a horrible case of insomnia, so he posts here at all hours of the night quite often, which would explain why nobody replied for a while, I suppose.

Between Middlesboro and Pineville, the two towns I operate in, there are five stations. Two are owned by the big Baptist Church in town, and run Moody Bible Institute formats. With the exception of a few ballgames here and there, they have very little local content, as they have a staff of one. The fifth station, after my two, is an FM which is currently not even on the air. Until about a week ago, it was on the air at very low power, with some sort of high-pitched squeal in the carrier, which I assumed to be her exciter marching toward death. That's neither here nor there, though, and doesn't really relate to the topic at hand.

True, I run two music formats. However, between brand-new BE transmitters and Omnia processors, my stations sound great. Sound quality isn't a problem I'm looking for a solution to. And of course, as radiopilot mentioned, music isn't nearly as much a contributor to the success of my stations as local content is. Some of you may have heard about the recent tornado in Tazewell, TN. It was on national news. Tazewell is about ten minutes from here, and both my stations were broadcasting live covering the storm to keep our residents updated. The cable was out in much of the county, and we do not get TV signals here in most places, so the radio was the only place people could turn for local content. Incidentally, my stations covered the emergency, while the other stations in town carried on with their regular automated formats. Each day, I broadcast extended local newscasts five times, and we try our level best to do what all small market radio stations should do: serve our community. That is what sets us apart, and this sort of local content sets us apart much more than a cleaner signal ever could, particularly considering that we have an incredibly clean signal already.

As for availability of receivers, I stand by my original statement. We have a Radio Shack, yes, but the selection there is very limited. I can't even find the most basic wiring supplies there, much less HD Radios. In fact, I went in to ask for one the other day, and the clerk looked at me as if I'd laid a purple egg on the counter right in front of him. As for Best Buy, the closest one is a little over an hour away. After I posted last night, since I couldn't sleep anyway, I ventured to the local WalMart. I looked specifically for an HD Radio and found none. And again, the clerk I spoke with had no idea what I was talking about. Sure, you can order them online from WalMart, even at $200 instead of the $300 I quoted. However, the problem remains that the average joe in my market still isn't going to shell out that much money for a radio, even if he can afford to.

Let's look at HD Radio from the viewpoint of the average small town resident. When faced with the opportunity to shell out $200 for a new radio, what would prompt him or her to do so? Let's even assume that one or two stations in this small town broadcast in HD. First, it isn't reasonable to think that the average paycheck-to-paycheck individual can even afford to plunk down $200 on a radio, or even $100 when the price drops again. It's a luxury, and not even a good one at that. However, let's say the listener in question can afford to buy it. Why would he? When he does, he's going to get it home, plug it in, and maybe hear one or two stations in HD. Otherwise, it serves no purpose other than to do what the $7 clock radio on his nightstand will do. Is the small difference in sound quality he'll get on the two stations he can pick up worth the $193 (or even $93) price difference? My bet is that the average person in my market won't think so. And of course, with no local stations broadcasting in HD, there's practically no chance he's going to buy the receiver.

What we have in a great many circumstances is a Catch 22 situation. We broadcasters aren't willing to implement HD until the market is saturated with receivers. However, the market isn't willing to buy the receivers in bulk until we broadcasters start implementing HD. There's no universally right or wrong answer here. Clouseau is very right in saying that right and wrong may vary with each of us based upon our specific situations.

Now, for what it's worth, which may not be much, here's what I see for the future of HD Radio. The stations in larger markets, by and large, have already turned it on, and a good many already multicast. I think it will eventually prove viable there. If the price of the receivers continues to drop, I'm willing to bet that a good many listeners in those bigger markets will buy them. HD Multicasts will be great for things like sports broadcasts and niche formats, and I personally think it'll catch on in the bigger markets. Will we ever reach a point, though, where every resident in my town has an HD receiver, and I find it economically viable to turn on the HD? I sincerely doubt it. I just see no benefit, ever. Could things change? Sure. Do I think they will in my situation? No.

As I said, I've crunched the numbers. I know how much, almost to the penny, it'd cost me to implement HD Radio. I also know I'd be wasting the money right now. During the past two years, I've completely rebuilt my stations from the ground up, then rebuilt the one which was destroyed last month. In total, I've already spent literally twice as much as it'd cost to implement HD. Now I'm not going to poor-mouth and say we are barely getting along, because frankly we do quite well. I'm not on a "poor me, tough standalone AM in an FM world" trip. However, I've made a large investment, and we do what we should in terms of serving our listeners. If the FCC were ever to think of mandating IBOC implementation, I'd fight tooth-and-nail against it, as would a good many small town broadcasters.

In the meantime, I'm very happy with how my stations are doing. If I feel like plunking down $80,000 for anything, I'll put it into the other black hole I love. I have a beautiful Piper Arrow in my hangar at the Middlesboro Airport, and I'd get much more benefit out of using the money for some new avionics than anybody ever would out of me turning on HD at my radio stations.

Josh,

Beautifully said and I'd say in proper context for the conversation in hand. I'm equally pleased and honored that you posted the true facts on what your listeners demand and how you've chosen to provide that content.

Some of the pro-hd crowd will of course never get what you or I or others have been trying to get across to them as they are somehow blinded to some corporate sublimal messages perhaps broadcast to them in HD.

Your right about spending the money on better pursuits such as your Piper, I spend mine on my Giles 200... considering the costs of electronics for these aircraft, sometimes it's more than the studio upgrades of a radio station!

Thanks again for repying with some very good information... Now I might be able to sleep tonight!

Radiopilot
 
Lots of folks have and will argue about the virture of IBOC. Some say it's the devil, others call it the savior or terrestrial radio. The truth is probably somewhere in between, and my thought is that this truly isn't an argument that can be won by anybody.

I have friends who putting IBOC on the air because they own stations in larger markets and look at it as giving them a competitive edge. However, I have other friends who have no intention of ever turning it on. We all have opinions about whether each set of friends is right or wrong, but the fact is, as has already been pointed out, right and wrong varies in each situation. If an owner has put thought into it, crunched the numbers, talked to the community, and done research (as I have in my situation), and then formed an eductated position based upon all those things, then I think that owner is "right", no matter what he/she decides. If an owner jumps to conclusions about HD Radio though, and forms an opinion which isn't based upon factfinding, I personally think that's the "wrong" approach.

Since I jumped into this little debate late last night, I have read quite a few of the posts on the HD Radio board. I have to say, I'm mildly surprised at some of the venom and namecalling. Since my tragedy of last month, I've learned more about the very nature of broadcasters than I had in the entire rest of my career. For those of you who do not know my story, take a look at www.1230wano.com. What I've discovered over the past several weeks is that the broadcasting industry is different from almost any other. Broadcasters stick together, and help each other. When my station was burned down, I had no less than ten offers of loaner transmitters, and literally over a hundred owners and engineers emailed and called offering to loan equipment and volunteer time. This happened within the first 48 hours after the fire. The outpouring of support touched me in a way I almost cannot explain. You do not see lawyers or accountants showing such concern and compassion when another lawyer or accountant has an office fire. People truly wanted to help, even people I didn't know. That speaks volumes about the individuals who make up our industry.

I've always been a rather conservative person, and I never thought I'd be making the sort of pinko pacifist remark I'm about to make :) I share my story in order to say this: Why should we let something like the debate about HD Radio divide us? In this circumstance, nobody is going to win, so why fight? Everybody has much more to lose than any of us will ever gain by chastizing another broadcaster about his/her stance on IBOC. Sure, let's debate intelligently and discuss the issues. However, I think as broadcasters, we should all be mindful of the things we share in common, rather than focusing on the things about which we disagree. Let's build concensus to solve problems, not call names and get mad. We are all on the same team, even if we disagree about who the starters should be. And now, I'll step off my soapbox.

Oh, and radiopilot, email me sometime... joshwfxy(at)gmail(dot)com...I'd like to quiz you a little bit about your plane!
 
thebroker said:
...I have to say, I'm mildly surprised at some of the venom and namecalling. Since my tragedy of last month, I've learned more about the very nature of broadcasters than I had in the entire rest of my career. For those of you who do not know my story, take a look at www.1230wano.com. What I've discovered over the past several weeks is that the broadcasting industry is different from almost any other. Broadcasters stick together, and help each other. When my station was burned down, I had no less than ten offers of loaner transmitters, and literally over a hundred owners and engineers emailed and called offering to loan equipment and volunteer time. This happened within the first 48 hours after the fire. The outpouring of support touched me in a way I almost cannot explain. You do not see lawyers or accountants showing such concern and compassion when another lawyer or accountant has an office fire. People truly wanted to help, even people I didn't know. That speaks volumes about the individuals who make up our industry.

I've always been a rather conservative person, and I never thought I'd be making the sort of pinko pacifist remark I'm about to make :) I share my story in order to say this: Why should we let something like the debate about HD Radio divide us? In this circumstance, nobody is going to win, so why fight? Everybody has much more to lose than any of us will ever gain by chastizing another broadcaster about his/her stance on IBOC. Sure, let's debate intelligently and discuss the issues. However, I think as broadcasters, we should all be mindful of the things we share in common, rather than focusing on the things about which we disagree. Let's build concensus to solve problems, not call names and get mad. We are all on the same team, even if we disagree about who the starters should be. And now, I'll step off my soapbox.

Well put. There is a bit of background about this board overall. IN the past it was dominated by nonsensical Cuckoos who comiserated about how HD was the devil. I was attracted to this, just to see what motivated these folks to spend their time that way. Frankly, at the time, I hadn't paid a lot of attention to IBOC. I vaguely understood the concept and had read a little about it. I was intrigued at how bad it must actually be. As a guy who works in the business, I became more and more interested. As one who could not totally agree with the "HD RADIO is the devil" position, I was quickly labeled a shill for Ibiquity.

I took a good deal of ribbing from friends in the biz about having anything to do with this place. However, over time, there got to be an element of people who actually work in the business, together with those who don't, posting here. I think there is a decent level of respect from those actually in the business. (Although there have been a few out and out bloodbaths here and there.) :)

I know one thing and that is... I don't see it affecting that "Engineering spirit" of help you speak of. And obviously you have some pretty good knowledge of that. Right now as I type this, my backup STL trasnmitter is across town at a local station. And another station's optimod has bailed me backside out before.

Perhaps the anonomity of this type of forum is the problem. You have come here and "Outed" yourself. And by doing that, you have a different (And quite possible better) perspective. I guess we all behave a little better when our good name is associated with what we write.

Something for us to ponder.

Clouseau
 
clouseau said:
Chuck, you folks have a little different mission than many others, but I wouldn't be surprised that with your two translators there might not be a fairly respectable "Donation and Underwriting" stream for nichecasting High school sports or maybe a brokered deal on HD-2 or HD-3. And I confess I have not gotten down to see if the "OK to broker multicast" applies to Non Coms and LP's like the "OK to rent out your SCA" does.

Clouseau

As I read the rules, HD has been approved for everybody, including LPFM and translators. There are times that I could use a secondary channel. The fall football season comes to mind. It is a big deal here in Texas, and it helps keep the station afloat. People will pay for sports, but not for Frank Sinatra or Count Basie. Go figure...

Of course, we could do it a lot cheaper with FMExtra. I hope it catches on enough so that it becomes standard software in future radios. If that happens, it will be a "no brainer." As I mentioned earlier, it will take some time for the tealeaves to settle. Meanwhile, I'm going to spend my time and energy on doing fairly decent LOCAL radio. Analog still works fine in East Texas.
 
thebroker said:
I realize I'm probably slow in asking, but what is FMExtra, and how have I missed it?

FMExtra is a Digital SCA system which cost about $11,000 including equipment out the door. It is compatible with Ibiquity HD as additional channels. AFAIK radios are avalable from Broadcast Equipment Distributors like Bext and Energy Onix.

No licensing fees or recurring charges.

http://dreinc.com

Clouseau
 
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