How Much Will Not Having Howie Carr On WRKO In The Short Term Hurt WRKO?

[Casablanca]

Seems that the BIG loser in this fight among Howie Carr- WRKO an WTKK the big financial loss will hit WRKO the hardest.

The fall book is here and without Howie Carr WRKO ratings [minus the ever sinking Red Sox] will be in the sub-cellar.

No ratings and WRKO will have to drop its commercial rate time. Sponsors must be jumping ship in great numbers and the sales whores at RKO must be doing anything and everything to keep their current clients. But why would they stay...for Todd Feinburg or Avi Nelson. As Howie Carr is fond of saying, " I was born at night but not last night."

So, the big financial loser in this mess in the short and long term will be Entecom's WRKO.

Will someone hold the door for Julie "The Executioner" Kahn and Jason Wolfe. Their end is fast approaching.

WRKO better cut it losses now. Howie Carr will never be behind a WRKO mic again as long as it is owned by Entercom.

It may take time but Peter Smyth and Greater Media will be the big winners here as will Howie Carr.

Disagree with Howie on 99.9% of what he says but WRKO and no judge can force him to work where he chooses not to.

Can the "For Sale" Sign be far behind at WRKO ? ? ?

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

Will someone hold the door for Julie "The Executioner" Kahn and Jason Wolfe. Their end is fast approaching.

You've been posting the exact same forecasts of doom for months now...and they're no more credible now than they were then. Cf. "The Boy Who Cried 'Wolf!'"

 

[Casablanca]

The only Wolfe that will be crying soon is one named Jason

Will someone hold the door for Julie "The Executioner" Kahn and Jason Wolfe. Their end is fast approaching.

You've been posting the exact same forecasts of doom for months now...and they're no more credible now than they were then. Cf. "The Boy Who Cried 'Wolf!'"

 

[TSBench]

Disagree with Howie on 99.9% of what he says but WRKO and no judge can force him to work where he chooses not to.

No, he can't, but that isn't the point. What he can do is prevent Howie from working anywhere else in the market by ruling (as has been done) that he has to live up to the agreement that he signed of his own free will. Now, if you can think of some other line of work that is going to pay Howie 15Gs a week, you may want to give him a heads-up, because, unless he can get the legality of the match provision overturned on appeal, he's going to need it.

Until that happens, as they say in the military, 'they can't make you do anything, but they can certainly make you wish you had.'

Regards,
TSB

 

[Casablanca]

As has been said, ' the power of the pen is mightier than the power of the sword.'
Remember, Howie Carr still has a newspaper column. I am sure Howie knows where all the dirty linen of Entercom, WRKO, Julie Kahn and Jason Wolfe is buried and will be glad to air as much of it as he feels is necessary. Better yet, he will get the Inside Track to do his dirty work for him. So, look for exposes on WRKO et al to follow soon.

Disagree with Howie on 99.9% of what he says but WRKO and no judge can force him to work where he chooses not to.

No, he can't, but that isn't the point. What he can do is prevent Howie from working anywhere else in the market by ruling (as has been done) that he has to live up to the agreement that he signed of his own free will. Now, if you can think of some other line of work that is going to pay Howie 15Gs a week, you may want to give him a heads-up, because, unless he can get the legality of the match provision overturned on appeal, he's going to need it.

Until that happens, as they say in the military, 'they can't make you do anything, but they can certainly make you wish you had.'

Regards,
TSB

 

[raccoonradio]

>>Better yet, he will get the Inside Track to do his dirty work for him.

or have it posted through his "secretary" Jessica Heslam. I agree with Casa on this one;
WRKO is the loser in all this. WTKK benefits by not having serious competition (other than
THE Big Show, which is sports talk v. poli-talk as it is) vs. Severin. It would have been
even better had they had Howie v. the Felon in mornings. (Though yes, it would have so
much competition and those incentives would be tough to reach).
Another big loser is the audience which is deprived of Howie (he would have been good
on the "let's bring a fake bomb into the airport; I'm sure nobody will even notice" issue today)

 

[TSBench]

As has been said, ' the power of the pen is mightier than the power of the sword.'

Usually by people who don't have swords. While it's been said you should never get into a public argument with people who buy their ink by the barrel, in today's world it's even better advice not to get involved in a public argument with people who buy their electricity by the gigawatt.

Remember, Howie Carr still has a newspaper column.

And, as things stand now, he's going to need it.

I am sure Howie knows where all the dirty linen of Entercom, WRKO, Julie Kahn and Jason Wolfe is buried and will be glad to air as much of it as he feels is necessary.

Necessary to do what? Be used as exhibits in Howie's competency hearing? What, exactly, does this accomplish, other than revealing your affinity for mixed metaphores? Knowing, and revealing, all the dirt, both real and imagined, on the old WRKO has certainly worked wonders for your radio career. I'm not sure that is a model that Carr would want to emulate.

Better yet, he will get the Inside Track to do his dirty work for him.

Since the 'Track' girls have a deal with Entercom, I wouldn't count on them to spread much dirt. There's always Haslem's column, and that strategy has certainly has worked well so far. Perhaps Howie thought that Judge Jessica would be sitting in on his case. It appears he was incorrect.

So, look for exposes on WRKO et al to follow soon.

I would guess not, since I assume that Howie hasn't gone completely insane. Taking business disputes down to the personal, slime-tossing level seems to be your M.O. How's that been working out for you, because it certainly hasn't worked for anyone else.

If nothing else, you have to give D&C points for trying to do it right. They kept their mouths shut and let it play out, and actually seemed to understand what was written into their contracts. Their mistake was getting into the sack with an amateur who let himself be blindsided. But, they left themselves in a position to painlessly come back to big money deals and never skipped a beat.

Regards,
TSB

 

[TSBench]

>>Better yet, he will get the Inside Track to do his dirty work for him.

or have it posted through his "secretary" Jessica Heslam.

That's what he meant. He got the two columns confused.

(he would have been good on the "let's bring a fake bomb into the airport; I'm sure nobody will even notice" issue today)

I'd be surprized if the 97% of the population who never listened to Carr, when he was on the air, are oblivious to this story. It seems to be getting a lot of play everywhere, even nationwide. I'm not convinced that a lot of people, on first hearing about it, felt a pressing need to turn to talk radio so they could get 'Jerry from Billerica's' take on why it was a bad idea. If you actually think that Carr's show is, and was, a primary souce of information for most of the folks in the market, I think you may be overstating the case slightly.

Oftentimes, it is best not to take your talking points from your administrative assistant, Maloney.

Regards,
TSB

 

[Casablanca]

In answer to your post(s) I quote Bobby Kennedy, "Don't get mad; get even." If you don't think that sounds like Howie Carr you do not know Howie Carr. As far as Howie is concerned it is "get even" time
That is Howie's style.
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>>Better yet, he will get the Inside Track to do his dirty work for him.

or have it posted through his "secretary" Jessica Heslam.

That's what he meant. He got the two columns confused.

(he would have been good on the "let's bring a fake bomb into the airport; I'm sure nobody will even notice" issue today)

I'd be surprized if the 97% of the population who never listened to Carr, when he was on the air, are oblivious to this story. It seems to be getting a lot of play everywhere, even nationwide. I'm not convinced that a lot of people, on first hearing about it, felt a pressing need to turn to talk radio so they could get 'Jerry from Billerica's' take on why it was a bad idea. If you actually think that Carr's show is, and was, a primary souce of information for most of the folks in the market, I think you may be overstating the case slightly.

Oftentimes, it is best not to take your talking points from your administrative assistant, Maloney.

Regards,
TSB
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[TSBench]

In answer to your post(s) I quote Bobby Kennedy, "Don't get mad; get even."

For what is Carr getting 'even' for...Entercom enforcing the contract that he signed, for losing in court, for screwing himself?
In case you hadn't noticed, all the vitriol in this case was, and is, emanating from Carr, and so far the results certainly don't seem like 'getting even' to me. I don't know about you, but I've never wanted to 'get even' with anyone enough to throw away 4 million dollars.

If you don't think that sounds like Howie Carr you do not know Howie Carr.

I used to chalk your thinking up to the fact that you just had an extreme case of WRKO Derangement Syndrome, but now I realize that you really just don't get it, you just don't understand how the game is played by serious people when big money is on the table.

As far as Howie is concerned it is "get even" time
That is Howie's style.

I'm not sure that Howie, or his attorney, thinks it's "get stupid" time, since his big mouth turned this from being a business proposition into a personal grudge match, and is what got him into this mess in the first place.

As an act of charity, I'm going to offer the following. In you next post, just admit that you hate Carr, and was offering up all this self-destructive advice not in his defense, but in the hope of him screwing himself even more. I'm not sure anyone will actually buy it, but it's worth a shot.

No charge.

Regards,
TSB

 

[Casablanca]

I just don't think you get it. In the real world you will never see Howie's hand in this but it will happen. That is Howie's MO. You never see the shiv coming and you never know from whence it came but suddenly there is blood and bodies on the floor.

In answer to your post(s) I quote Bobby Kennedy, "Don't get mad; get even."

For what is Carr getting 'even' for...Entercom enforcing the contract that he signed, for losing in court, for screwing himself?
In case you hadn't noticed, all the vitriol in this case was, and is, emanating from Carr, and so far the results certainly don't seem like 'getting even' to me. I don't know about you, but I've never wanted to 'get even' with anyone enough to throw away 4 million dollars.

If you don't think that sounds like Howie Carr you do not know Howie Carr.

I used to chalk your thinking up to the fact that you just had an extreme case of WRKO Derangement Syndrome, but now I realize that you really just don't get it, you just don't understand how the game is played by serious people when big money is on the table.

As far as Howie is concerned it is "get even" time
That is Howie's style.

I'm not sure that Howie, or his attorney, thinks it's "get stupid" time, since his big mouth turned this from being a business proposition into a personal grudge match, and is what got him into this mess in the first place.

As an act of charity, I'm going to offer the following. In you next post, just admit that you hate Carr, and was offering up all this self-destructive advice not in his defense, but in the hope of him screwing himself even more. I'm not sure anyone will actually buy it, but it's worth a shot.

No charge.

Regards,
TSB

 

[TSBench]

I just don't think you get it. In the real world you will never see Howie's hand in this but it will happen. That is Howie's MO.

If some of us take the time, painful as it is, to read your posts, shouldn't you take the time to read them, too?

I believe you posted the following.....
Remember, Howie Carr still has a newspaper column. I am sure Howie knows where all the dirty linen of Entercom, WRKO, Julie Kahn and Jason Wolfe is buried and will be glad to air as much of it as he feels is necessary....

Perchance you think that Howie will claim that someone ghosted his column on those days. Or his evil twin.

You may want to consider pleading that your computer posted that statement all by itself while you were down at the shrine lighting candles for JW.

You never see the shiv coming and you never know from whence it came but suddenly there is blood and bodies on the floor.

Only one so far, Jerry's. Unless you want to count Howie, which would make it two.

Ahhh....these stories just about write themselves. You shudda taken my advice.

Regards,
TSB

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

As has been said, ' the power of the pen is mightier than the power of the sword.'

I don't know who you think said that, but it was Edward Bulwer-Lytton (he of "It was a dark and stormy night" fame) who said "the pen is mightier than the sword." But, failing to correctly quote someone is the same syndrome which demonstrates yet again why you don't work in radio...and judging by your posts, you never let facts get in the way of your undying ex-employee hatred of WRKO.

I am sure Howie knows where all the dirty linen of Entercom, WRKO, Julie Kahn and Jason Wolfe is buried and will be glad to air as much of it as he feels is necessary. Better yet, he will get the Inside Track to do his dirty work for him. So, look for exposes on WRKO et al to follow soon.

...and you know this how? Another empty prediction based on exactly nothing? It's got a beat and you can dance to it. I give it a 25.

Facts. What wonderful things. You should try using some once in a while.

You shudda taken my advice.

Casa taking someone's advice? Especially when that someone dares to point out a few actual facts instead of Casa's fantasies? You ought to know better than that.

 

[raccoonradio]

As for me, I can't say I hate 'RKO--I do listen to one thing they have, the Sox, while at work (WBOQ
doesn't really come in too well). But with no Howie on the air, there's...not much to like about them...
Felon, Feinburg, Rush, Feinburg again (OK maybe someone else filling in for the 10 am shift), Savage,
Doyle, Noory...Thankfully there's 'BZ and 'TKK ('TTT too, for Hannity)

 

[TSBench]

As for me, I can't say I hate 'RKO--I do listen to one thing they have, the Sox,

Same for me. Bye the by, looks like the demise of the Sox has been overstated.

But with no Howie on the air, there's...not much to like about them...
Felon,

Yeah, I probably listened, for laughs, to Howie more than anyone else on the station, although I will listen to Finneran if there is a real issue of importance on the table.

Feinburg

Tried listening to him. Seems a competent enough host, but I had the misfortune of catching him when he was devoting entire shows to beating up Patrick, which really got old. I don't like Deval, but I certainly don't need Todd to tell me why. And then tell me again...and again....and again. Interestingly, I heard Feinburg today coming out of a NH station as I was scanning the dial while riding around North Conway. I didn't know he was syndicated, but, upon checking, it appears he is, and quite successfully, around the country. He was actually pretty interesting talking about issues of national, rather than local, interest.

, Rush,

Same. I don't need Limbaugh to explain to me why I think the way I do.

Savage,

A sh*thead, IMHO.

Doyle

Never paid him much attention.

Noory...

Truly radio for morons and conspiracy whackos. The last two times I've stumbled across his program he was seriously interviewing some guy who claimed he had found a passageway to the center of the earth (where a parallel civilization exists) at the North Pole, and another time agreeing with a guy who had proved that the airliner that had been witnessed by hundreds of people and caught on tape crashing into the Pentagon was actually a A-3 Skywarrior.
After listening to the gullibility of callers to Noory's show, I can understand why people hang around cyber cafes in Lagos sending mass e-mails to folks asking for help in repatriating bank accounts.

Hannity

The world's worst interviewer, who thinks every story is really all about him.

Regards,
TSB

 

[raccoonradio]

Oh Feinburg def. is syndicated--I have also picked up a bit of the weekend version. I think I was also up
nr. North Conway once and a Maine station had it.
Feinburg slipped up last week and called Nancy Shack by her given name; oh well (btw we get to
see the former "Submit" Carr, now back to being Kathy, briefly in the Ch 4 piece).

Phil Hendrie is a good, very offbeat, alternative to Conspiracy Theory Radio 680.

Hannity may be all I have in afternoons unless I tune to THE Big Show.

 

[TSBench]

Hannity may be all I have in afternoons unless I tune to THE Big Show.

As awful as it sometimes is, I must admit to listening to The Big Show, especially during Sox season. Sort of like listening to a train wreck.

Back in the early 80s, all the sales reps at a station I worked for were asked to monitor, and give a report on, one of the competing stations for a dog and pony show we were going to put on for some group programming suits who were coming to town. I drew WITS. During my presentation, I referred to Ordway as "a local non-entity." I'd probably like to have that one back.

Regards,
TSB

 

[raccoonradio]

People have talked about how bad the show is, all yelling and people talking over each other.
It's been a huge hit (#1 at times) for years, so there

 

[Casablanca]

I never exactly said that the shiv would be seen in one of Howie's columns no more than it was when Howie gave the shiv to Jerry. He let others do his dirty work and the same will probably be true here.
Many dislike Howie Carr intensely but dislike even more that an individual is treated like chattel by a major corporation. Therefore, there are many reporters/columnist out there who will be glad to do Howie's bidding.

I just don't think you get it. In the real world you will never see Howie's hand in this but it will happen. That is Howie's MO.

If some of us take the time, painful as it is, to read your posts, shouldn't you take the time to read them, too?

I believe you posted the following.....
Remember, Howie Carr still has a newspaper column. I am sure Howie knows where all the dirty linen of Entercom, WRKO, Julie Kahn and Jason Wolfe is buried and will be glad to air as much of it as he feels is necessary....

Perchance you think that Howie will claim that someone ghosted his column on those days. Or his evil twin.

You may want to consider pleading that your computer posted that statement all by itself while you were down at the shrine lighting candles for JW.

You never see the shiv coming and you never know from whence it came but suddenly there is blood and bodies on the floor.

Only one so far, Jerry's. Unless you want to count Howie, which would make it two.

Ahhh....these stories just about write themselves. You shudda taken my advice.

Regards,
TSB

 

[TSBench]

I never exactly said that the shiv would be seen in one of Howie's columns

Never said you exactly did.

no more than it was when Howie gave the shiv to Jerry. He let others do his dirty work and the same will probably be true here.

Nope. I know the real story, and Howie shafted Jerry all by himself, and in person.

Many dislike Howie Carr intensely but dislike even more that an individual is treated like chattel by a major corporation.

How is Howie being treated like chattel? Do you think Entercom held his family hostage until he signed his deal? Do you think contracts only work one way? Why do you think ink-stained wretches at a dying newspaper are prepared to throw away their reps in order to carry water for some guy who pays more in income tax than they make, and regards what is a livelihood for them as a hobby for him. And, if Howie starts tossing mud, how long to do you think it will take before everyone with an axe to grind against Carr starts diming him out to every reporter and columnist in town, and why would Carr want to get involved in this type of pissing contest, especially since there won't be anything to gain from it for him? Could you possibly think that Entercom's lawyers will tell Howie it's okay if he breaches his contract as long as he stops saying those nasty things about them?

Just answer the questions. It's pretty simple. Spare us the usual BS, evasions, non-sequitors, and dodges. They're getting stale.

Regards,
TSB