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How should local stations sign off analog on Feb. 17th ?

Since stations nowadays pretty much run 24/7, I think it would be cool if all (or at least some) stations chose to run the National Anthem one last time. Maybe run an old school sign-off message that ran pre-1990s stating your effective radiative power, address, etc. as a tribute to the heritage of these stations.

It would great at midnight that night to have a message stating that analog broadcast is ending....run National Anthem....color bars for a few seconds....snow on the TV.

Any one else have any ideas for analog to go out on a bang?
 
wxman76 said:
Since stations nowadays pretty much run 24/7, I think it would be cool if all (or at least some) stations chose to run the National Anthem one last time. Maybe run an old school sign-off message that ran pre-1990s stating your effective radiative power, address, etc. as a tribute to the heritage of these stations.

It would great at midnight that night to have a message stating that analog broadcast is ending....run National Anthem....color bars for a few seconds....snow on the TV.

Any one else have any ideas for analog to go out on a bang?

It's a romantic thought, but it's unlikely to happen.

A few reasons:

1. You don't want to run something like that on the DTV/cable feeds, because the very LAST message any station wants to send to those viewers (who are already getting bombarded with confusing messages) is that "we're about to sign off." The whole thrust of the education effort that those of us in the business have been trying to get across for months now is, "don't worry - your TV stations aren't going away." And if you don't want to run something like that on the DTV/cable feeds, you've got to have the capability to generate a separate feed to your analog transmitter. Not all stations can do that - in fact, most can't, which is why all these "simulated analog shutdown" tests have required a great deal of engineering effort to patch in alternate video and audio sources. And the last thing ANY engineer wants to be dealing with on the night of Feb. 17 is yet another complex task.

2. If we've done our jobs right, by the time we get to the night of Feb. 17, the number of viewers still watching in analog will be pretty small, ideally verging on zero. The stations in my market have already started disrupting analog programming with bars and text messages and so on urging viewers not to wait to convert to digital. I expect that sort of disruption will escalate in the next two months to the point where programming will be all but gone from the analog channel by 2/17 anyway.

3. Depending on the market and on each individual station's circumstances, the analog signal could be gone long before 2/17. I'm counting anywhere from 3-5 stations a day dropping analog over the last few weeks, as stations try to get tower crews in place to swap out antennas, or as they convert analog transmitters to digital, or in some cases simply as aging analog equipment just dies and isn't worth fixing. So the number of stations that will even still have analog on the air at midnight on 2/17 isn't as big as you'd imagine.

4. Midnight is a lousy time to do a sign-off like that, since it will fall in the middle of Leno or Letterman or Nightline on the coasts, or in the middle of Conan or Craig or Kimmel in CT/MT. This is an especially big concern for stations that will be relocating their digital signals to their former analog channels (like my local WHEC, which goes from 58 back to 10), since they'll have to be off their old DTV channels by midnight if they're out-of-core. I suspect that in reality, they'll quietly (emphasis on "quietly") shut off analog a couple of days ahead of the deadline so they can light up the new digital service before the big moment.

I'm sure the transition will get big coverage on the 10/11 PM newscasts that night. I doubt there will be much special anything on the air at midnight itself. This engineering chess game is complicated enough without adding that factor...
 
wxman76 said:
Since stations nowadays pretty much run 24/7, I think it would be cool if all (or at least some) stations chose to run the National Anthem one last time. Maybe run an old school sign-off message that ran pre-1990s stating your effective radiative power, address, etc. as a tribute to the heritage of these stations.

It would great at midnight that night to have a message stating that analog broadcast is ending....run National Anthem....color bars for a few seconds....snow on the TV.

Any one else have any ideas for analog to go out on a bang?

How about a full signoff complete with ownership info, station location, etc., then the Looney Tunes "Th-th-th-th-th-that's all, folks!" followed by a black-and-white Indian-Head test pattern with single-tone audio for a minute or two, then go off the air? ;D
 
What they should have done is simple: Do the switch at 2 AM on Sunday morning, the moment the clock goes ahead for Daylight Time in March.
 
KML-224 said:
What they should have done is simple: Do the switch at 2 AM on Sunday morning, the moment the clock goes ahead for Daylight Time in March.

Interesting idea, but meaningless for those 7 or 8 million of us Americans (that's between 2% and 3% of the nation for those of you living in Rio Linda) who don't observe Daylight Saving Time.

I don't know if this is technically feasible or not, but since we're being creative:

All throughout the day, the stations should slowly cut back power so that the signal fades to snow before finally giving out at midnight.
 
KeithE4 said:
wxman76 said:
Since stations nowadays pretty much run 24/7, I think it would be cool if all (or at least some) stations chose to run the National Anthem one last time. Maybe run an old school sign-off message that ran pre-1990s stating your effective radiative power, address, etc. as a tribute to the heritage of these stations.

It would great at midnight that night to have a message stating that analog broadcast is ending....run National Anthem....color bars for a few seconds....snow on the TV.

Any one else have any ideas for analog to go out on a bang?

How about a full signoff complete with ownership info, station location, etc., then the Looney Tunes "Th-th-th-th-th-that's all, folks!" followed by a black-and-white Indian-Head test pattern with single-tone audio for a minute or two, then go off the air? ;D
dhett said:
KML-224 said:
What they should have done is simple: Do the switch at 2 AM on Sunday morning, the moment the clock goes ahead for Daylight Time in March.

Interesting idea, but meaningless for those 7 or 8 million of us Americans (that's between 2% and 3% of the nation for those of you living in Rio Linda) who don't observe Daylight Saving Time.

I don't know if this is technically feasible or not, but since we're being creative:

All throughout the day, the stations should slowly cut back power so that the signal fades to snow before finally giving out at midnight.


I vote for the Indian head slowly fading out over a 1 hour interval.
 
How about a big sign saying

FOOLED YOU

;D

And you suckers all went out and bought HDTV for thousands of dollars. Analog will be around for years

HA HA HA

We're not going no where.

Hope you liked our little joke but we had to have you all buy SOMETHING expensive to stimulate the economy
 
Mark said:
Hope you liked our little joke but we had to have you all buy SOMETHING expensive to stimulate the economy

If that did happen, FCC headquarters would end up in flames the evening of 2/17, as viewers and station owners alike ask for the head of the FCC commissioner.
 
Scott Fybush said:
Midnight is a lousy time to do a sign-off like that, since it will fall in the middle of Leno or Letterman or Nightline on the coasts, or in the middle of Conan or Craig or Kimmel in CT/MT.

Maybe the late night shows can air a rerun that night? I know the temptation to do so would be high, since it would be right in the middle of a sweeps month... but still, who wants the last few seconds of analog to be akin to little WNHT in Concord, NH, during "The Pat Sajak Show"?

Then again, at exactly midnight, there's a chance both shows will be in a commercial break anyway - which would really confuse those who haven't got a box yet...
 
Sweeps month is March this year.

And I thought I read months ago that Leno and Letterman would not be doing a show that evening?

- Trip
 
If local stations wants to push the shutdown as close as possible to the deadline but not in the middle of a network show at midnight it would make sense to shut analog down right after the 11 PM ET/10 PM CT newscast.
 
I imagine that stations that still sign off every night may just end analog broadcasting at their regular sign-off time the night before, rather than make special arrangements for a midnight sign-off.

Here's a question: Is the FCC actually going to check to make sure that all stations that are still broadcasting in analog right to the end actually shut down by midnight? As an example, would they actually fine an ABC affiliate that waits the extra five minutes for Nightline to end?
 
Given how many stations must change post-transition digital channels and must stop broadcasting at midnight 2/17, I suspect the networks will not program that night (local affiliate time)...or air repeats.

I also think we will see something that night that has not been done in years...most TV stations signing off the air for the night. A good chunk of TV stations (75% or more) signing their digital signals off of the air to allow for maintance work. Every single TV station engineer in the US will be working overnight that night.

I suspect most TV stations will sign off at 11:59 PM (or at 11:35 PM after the news to get ready...especially if they have a lot of work to do)...and sign on formally at 5:00 AM the next morning for local news (they will come on beforehand to test digital signals). Some stations might continue programming on cable systems that are direct fiber linked...but the satellite providers and most cable systems get the signal OTA and would be affected (and every headend cable technician at those affected systems will be working that night to change the channels).

Those stations that are keeping the same DTV facilites post transition (not changing channels) might stay on the air...some might sign off for maintence (only one station in Atlanta is changing post-transition channels - the statewide PBS station GPB/WGTV 8). We will find out on February 17th.

Whether any symbolic programming (30 minute special, 5 minute video montage, legal ID and signoff statement and the National Anthem) will be up to the station. Some might want to celebrate in style...others might contain a message at the end of the 11 PM news from the GM marking the occasion...others might do nothing at all, just cutting the carrier when it is time.

You might want to contact the GM's or PD's at your local stations to check on their plans, and tell them that the occasion should be celebrated appropriately with a final goodbye video and sign-off statement/National Anthem.
 
I think they should have a very special celebration, just like on New Year's Eve. They'll have musical acts, countdowns, and at the end, everyone will count down to the static.
 
jal41 said:
Given how many stations must change post-transition digital channels and must stop broadcasting at midnight 2/17, I suspect the networks will not program that night (local affiliate time)...or air repeats.

I also think we will see something that night that has not been done in years...most TV stations signing off the air for the night. A good chunk of TV stations (75% or more) signing their digital signals off of the air to allow for maintance work. Every single TV station engineer in the US will be working overnight that night.

You don't work in the business, do you?

The networks will most assuredly be programming that night, and for anywhere from 80 to 95 percent of TV viewers, it will be business absolutely as usual. No commercial station in this economy gives up a night of revenue if they don't absolutely have to.

Yes, at least one of our engineers will be working that night, just for the symbolism of being there in person to press the button to turn off the analog transmitter for good, something our master control operators could do just as easily from the studio. (I'll be up at the site with him, just because I wouldn't think of staying at home that night.)

I suspect most TV stations will sign off at 11:59 PM (or at 11:35 PM after the news to get ready...especially if they have a lot of work to do)...and sign on formally at 5:00 AM the next morning for local news (they will come on beforehand to test digital signals). Some stations might continue programming on cable systems that are direct fiber linked...but the satellite providers and most cable systems get the signal OTA and would be affected (and every headend cable technician at those affected systems will be working that night to change the channels).

Keep dreaming. The cable companies have mostly done their work already. Even many smaller markets are fed by fiber these days. We don't have anyone in this market taking anything OTA.

Those stations that are keeping the same DTV facilites post transition (not changing channels) might stay on the air...some might sign off for maintence (only one station in Atlanta is changing post-transition channels - the statewide PBS station GPB/WGTV 8). We will find out on February 17th.

If we're trying to reassure viewers that nothing's going to change, why in the world would we go off for maintenance on that night, of all nights? (Especially if we're pounding home the message that OTA DTV viewers have to do a rescan of their boxes after transition to pick up the channel changes - that REQUIRES the stations to be on the air for it to work, and there's no reason at all not to be running regular programming.)

Your scenario in Atlanta, where all but one of the stations is operating on its post-transition facility already, is fairly typical. And if we've done our job right, NOBODY will still be watching the analog signals on the night of Feb. 17. For the ones still even on the air at that point, we'll have chopped them up so much with banners and interruptions and crawls that even the most under-the-rock viewer will know they have to make the switch.

Stations like WGTV, which will be returning to their old analog channels, will for the most part have completed their technical work ahead of 2/17. In many cases (like my channel 10 here in Rochester), they're taking their analog transmitters and reducing them to half power, then taking the unused half of the transmitter and converting it to digital. The actual switchover on the night of 2/17 (or earlier, in many cases) will be a matter of moving transmission lines over, and should take a few minutes at the most.

(Even quicker in some cases - our channel 13 in Rochester can't convert its elderly analog transmitter, so it has a brand-new DTV 13 transmitter in place, and all they'll have to do is switch one off and the other on.)

Whether any symbolic programming (30 minute special, 5 minute video montage, legal ID and signoff statement and the National Anthem) will be up to the station. Some might want to celebrate in style...others might contain a message at the end of the 11 PM news from the GM marking the occasion...others might do nothing at all, just cutting the carrier when it is time.

You might want to contact the GM's or PD's at your local stations to check on their plans, and tell them that the occasion should be celebrated appropriately with a final goodbye video and sign-off statement/National Anthem.

I can guarantee you that every GM and PD in this market has bigger and better things to worry about.

And as I keep pointing out, the last message any of us in the business want to send right now is anything having to do with "final" or "goodbye." The message is, "we're not going anywhere."

Going into this process, the transition already affected only 18% of our potential viewing audience (we have 82% cable/satellite penetration, which is very low on a national level). With diligent promotion of the transition over the last year or so, we believe we have that down to no more than 8-10% that's still watching OTA analog, and the goal of the next few weeks will be to drive that number down to zero.

If more than 2-3% of our audience is still watching analog on the night of Feb. 17, we've done something wrong. There will be no special programming, no video montage, no national anthem. The 82% of our viewers watching on cable or satellite will see Charlie Rose keep on going at midnight. The 15% watching on our DTV channel will see Charlie Rose keep on going at midnight. The remainder will have spent the day watching snippets of programming interrupted by fullscreen messages and crawls giving our phonebank number so we can get them converted, even at the last minute...and at midnight, we'll hit that red button and they'll see a screen full of snow.

(Assuming, that is, that the old Harris up on the hill even makes it that long. If it dies between now and then, that's it.)

Look, I'm as romantic about the long history of analog TV as anyone. I've spent more summer afternoons than I can count watching the snow on channels 2 and 3 give way to E-skip from Kansas and Nebraska and Louisiana and Florida, and I'll miss that like crazy when it's gone.

But from the point of view of a broadcaster, not a DXer or historian, that's not where most of our audience is. They just want to watch Charlie Rose - or Leno, or Letterman, or Nightline - that night, and the highest and best service we can provide them as broadcasters (especially after they've gone to the trouble of getting the boxes and hooking them up) is to give them just what they expect, without the confusion of a "goodbye" message on a channel that, for them, won't be going away at all.
 
Scott Fybush said:
Your scenario in Atlanta, where all but one of the stations is operating on its post-transition facility already, is fairly typical. And if we've done our job right, NOBODY will still be watching the analog signals on the night of Feb. 17. For the ones still even on the air at that point, we'll have chopped them up so much with banners and interruptions and crawls that even the most under-the-rock viewer will know they have to make the switch.
I have to take issue with this statement. My parents live on the fringes of the Indianapolis market, and only get one DTV station reliably. They will be watching analog until the final moments. (Although they might be asleep before midnight on 2/19) :p

They are hoping that adjustments after the DTV transition is over will help their reception problems, but the changes in Indy will be small. WTHR-DT moves from 45 to 13. I'm pretty sure everyone else will only be moving from a side antenna to a top antenna.

I have advised them to stick it out until February on analog, then decide what to do afterwards the transition. I can't imagine I'm the only one making such a choice.
 
PTBoardOp94 said:
I have to take issue with this statement. My parents live on the fringes of the Indianapolis market, and only get one DTV station reliably. They will be watching analog until the final moments. (Although they might be asleep before midnight on 2/19) :p

They are hoping that adjustments after the DTV transition is over will help their reception problems, but the changes in Indy will be small. WTHR-DT moves from 45 to 13. I'm pretty sure everyone else will only be moving from a side antenna to a top antenna.

I have advised them to stick it out until February on analog, then decide what to do afterwards the transition. I can't imagine I'm the only one making such a choice.

Not by a long shot, and that's actually yet another reason that broadcasters don't want to make the Feb. 17 analog shutoff sound like it's the end of this lengthy, complicated process. We're already seeing many stations apply for power increases that will take effect sometime after transition day, and there's a growing realization that viewers like your parents are going to lose some service, at least in the short term, unless something more is done.

My advice to your parents would be not to wait, since nothing will change dramatically for them (except, of course, for the disappearance of analog service) in the weeks immediately after Feb. 17. If they want to continue watching the stations they're accustomed to watching, there's no reason to hold off until after 2/17, when dish and cable installers will probably be quite busy with last-minute installations. Go for "lifeline" cable (if they're in an area served by cable) or a cheap satellite package now, or upgrade their antenna if that's possible (it's amazing how much digital signals can be improved just by replacing old, worn-out feedlines with new coax), and they won't have to worry about losing TV on transition day either.

PM or e-mail me and I'd be happy to provide some more specific help if you'd like...
 
jal41 said:
I also think we will see something that night that has not been done in years...most TV stations signing off the air for the night. A good chunk of TV stations (75% or more) signing their digital signals off of the air to allow for maintance work. Every single TV station engineer in the US will be working overnight that night.

It'll certainly vary by market, but in most markets the only thing most stations will be doing is turning off their analog transmitters.

Here in the Nashville market, only two stations out of 11 are changing channels on Transition Night. (one of the two has already been seen testing their new channel on the air -- one suspects they will take about five minutes to move an RF patch & they'll be done)

In Milwaukee eleven of twelve stations are making no changes except to turn off the analog. In Madison, *no* station is changing channels on Transition Night.

I certainly expect to be at the transmitter when it happens -- but very likely off the clock, because the only reason to be there is nostalgia's sake. As Scott says, our MCR operators are fully capable of turning off the analog transmitter at midnight.

(I also concur with Scott in his advice to PTBoardOp94's parents - to act now when there's still plenty of time.)

I suspect most TV stations will sign off at 11:59 PM (or at 11:35 PM after the news to get ready...especially if they have a lot of work to do)...and sign on formally at 5:00 AM the next morning for local news (they will come on beforehand to test digital signals).

I strongly suspect the vast majority of stations that are changing channels have already tested their new facilities on the air (or will have done so well before 2/17) and know they will work. It should only take a few minutes and *maybe* two engineers to patch the antenna from the analog transmitter to the digital rig & turn on the digital transmitter. I *know* at least one of the two Nashville stations that's moving has already tested.

If they haven't already done the work, it's quite likely five hours isn't enough time to do it.

(yes, I'm sure there will be some stations that won't be ready - and some that will have tested thoroughly and still be hit by Murphy...)

Some stations might continue programming on cable systems that are direct fiber linked...but the satellite providers and most cable systems get the signal OTA and would be affected (and every headend cable technician at those affected systems will be working that night to change the channels).

Most cable systems around here get the signal via fiber. Most of the rest have already switched to carrying the OTA *digital* signal and will have nothing to do on 2/17.

(except ensure their colleagues in sales get plenty of sleep as they're going to be busy on 2/18 :mad: )

You might want to contact the GM's or PD's at your local stations to check on their plans, and tell them that the occasion should be celebrated appropriately with a final goodbye video and sign-off statement/National Anthem.

I would kinda hope it happens but in most cases it probably won't...

One thing that stations should consider is that FCC regulations require a station to ID at the end of each period of operation. I suppose midnight on 2/17 will count as the end of a period of operation!

(and yes, I'm 99.9% certain no station will be cited by the FCC for failing to ID before turning their analog transmitter off.......)

(to address another post, I'm also 99.9% certain no station will be cited for leaving their analog on for an extra five minutes...)
 
I liked how the BBC handled the shutdown of their old Black and White VHF standard in 1985:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXZ-S1Z_Hzw

They had an old 405-line set in the studio, receiving the channel's signal from an antenna.

Be nice to have something similar on one of the few independent stations left.
 
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