How the CW is Affiliating (PLEASE READ!)

[TimInHouston]

> Phoenix: Unknown (KUTP-45 owned by Fox, KASW-61 owned by
> Belo) [Trip predicts KASW]

I'm thinking Belo's KASW with apologies for screwing them over on the recent New Orleans/WUPL deal.

If that deal hasnt' complete yet, I wonder if Belo can back out since they obviously are not getting the same deal they signed for (a network affiliate duopoly)

 

[mike704]

Re: Charlotte CW...

> Capitol will stay the course with 55 in Charlotte---they are
> not about giving up on their stations, but 46 will get the
> new CW affilation---it is the more powerful (very slightly)
> station and better programmed.

I used to think WJZY had better programming but as The WB improved I think WWWB got better. I don't think this is a good thing, I like to see these two slug it out. I think they are producing programming that is often better than the big 3. Fox doesn't have much for me lately.

It will be interesting to see what Capital does. They tend to buy good movie packages so this could be a plus?

MikeM

 

[w9wi]

Re: Trip wonders

A few comments about posts further down in the thread...

- The definition of city-grade for DTV is awfully loose. You can put your -DT a whole lot further from the city-of-license than you can your analog. Heck, the DTV transmitter for the Pax station in this market (Nashville) is *70 miles* from the city of license -- and still makes city-grade. (just barely)

Point being, WNDY-DT could move its transmitter into Indianapolis and still make city-grade across Marion. Since WLKY Louisville is staying on channel 26, I don't see any interference issues that would be raised from such a change either.

- WNDY has already selected DTV channel 32. It's too late for them to opt for channel 8 instead. (at least not until after transition is complete and the FCC resumes the normal channel assignment process) I think WBNA-DT in Louisville would probably prevent such a move anyway.

- All unused NTSC channel assignments (including channel 67 at Anderson) have been deleted. In any case,
- The FCC is not currently accepting any applications for new TV stations
- Once they do start accepting applications again, they'll only be for DTV
- It takes a LONG time for the FCC to act, even when they *are* acting. If
the new-station-application process were to be restarted tomorrow, it
would be at least two years (and likely a lot longer) before any new
stations could appear on the air.
- Of course, channel 67 is going away after transition - and since no
application was filed before 1996, any station on that channel wouldn't
get a second channel for DTV.

So a new station is not a viable option for any major network's affiliation.

- I'm not too sure the FCC would accept an application to make a significant change in tower location (either digital or analog) at this point in the DTV transition process. It could force a cascading pile of channel reassignments elsewhere that could affect literally hundreds of stations.

 

[karaokelegend]

Re: Charlotte CW...

The Charlotte Observer mentions that WAXN is also a possibility for CW but I still see WJZY getting it. The general manager seemed to think it would be on WJZY not WWWB. The Observer states that WJZY is tied for the fifth-highest rated UPN affilate in the country with WUPA in Atlanta and also that WJZY's programs conistently rank in the top 10 in ratings in Charlotte so that and the fact they already have a 10:00 news produced by WBTV, WJZY makes the best sense for CW. The Bobcats can easily flip over to co-owned WWWB. And WAXN has Oprah as a lead-in to it's 10:00 news produced by sister station WSOC.

Wonder if anyone uses the call letters WCCW? That would be good call letters for the CW affiliate in Charlotte.

 

[Whammy1978]

Re: Charlotte CW...

> Wonder if anyone uses the call letters WCCW? That would be
> good call letters for the CW affiliate in Charlotte.
>


Boy WCCB would love that one. lol. Then again, they are too busy branding themselves as Fox Charlotte. I am banking on WJZY taking the affiliation. Even if WJZY keeps the Bobcats, they only air 15 games during the season, so it would keep preemptions to a mininum., or move the games that air during hours The CW will provide programming to WWWB (which I am sure will take new calls... maybe revert back to WFVT). When Charlotte had the Hornets, both stations carried games before the games went to WAXN.<P ID="signature">______________

Moderator of Charlotte Board</P>

 

[DrBear]

Re: Charlotte CW...

> > Wonder if anyone uses the call letters WCCW? That would be
>
> > good call letters for the CW affiliate in Charlotte.
> >
We used to have a radio station in our area: WCWC. They've since changed. Wonder if that's available...
>

 

[Banjomax]

> I get UPN38 Boston on Bell ExpressVu and cable and I also
> get the three big WB stations (NYC, LA, CHI) on Bell
> ExpressVu, but not WB56 Boston, which I think will be
> unfortunate for me as it seems UPN38 may go back to being an
> independent unless something like a station swap occurs
> between the two stations, and I would then get the CW
> programming on TV38.

My local cable co. (Adelphia) carries WSBK 38, though no WB affiliate is currently (or has ever been) available. Unless Adelphia (or TW/Comcast...don't know which one will wind up with our system when all is said and done) tweaks its channel lineup, there will be no CW on cable here on the very outer fringes of the Boston TV market (Brattleboro VT). A few of the smaller cable systems in some surrounding towns do carry WLVI 56, however.

Peace. <P ID="signature">______________
It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
-- Samuel Langhorne Clemens
</P>

 

[DiamondJoe]

Re: Charlotte CW...

> > > Wonder if anyone uses the call letters WCCW? That would
> be
> >
> > > good call letters for the CW affiliate in Charlotte.
> > >
> We used to have a radio station in our area: WCWC. They've
> since changed. Wonder if that's available...

Well you gotta wonder if all available calls containing "CW" are gonna fly like hotcakes, just like most callsigns with a "PX" in them as soon as Pax started back in '97...<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>

 

[mike704]

Re: Charlotte CW...

> The Charlotte Observer mentions that WAXN is also a
> possibility for CW but I still see WJZY getting it.

Please let it not be WAXN. That station has about as much class as a garbage can. Horrible audio Cox should be ashamed of that station. There are times when WSOC isn't that much better.

>The
> general manager seemed to think it would be on WJZY not
> WWWB. The Observer states that WJZY is tied for the
> fifth-highest rated UPN affilate in the country with WUPA in
> Atlanta and also that WJZY's programs conistently rank in
> the top 10 in ratings in Charlotte so that and the fact they
> already have a 10:00 news produced by WBTV, WJZY makes the
> best sense for CW. The Bobcats can easily flip over to
> co-owned WWWB. And WAXN has Oprah as a lead-in to it's 10:00
> news produced by sister station WSOC.

Yep if you don't have a VCR or a Tivo and must see Dr. Phil or Oprah WAXN is your station. I find that I NEVER watch WAXN...never!
>
> Wonder if anyone uses the call letters WCCW? That would be
> good call letters for the CW affiliate in Charlotte.

I'm not a big fan of stations identifying too much with their network like NBC 6 or UPN 46. The local station should have it own identity. Most people don't care about networks, just tell them where can they see their favorite shows.

 

[RALfan]

Raleigh-Durham Scenarios

These are some of my possibilities of what might happen in the Raleigh-Durham market:

1. WLFL becomes the CW affiliate, leaving WRDC an independent,
2. vice versa,
3. neither signs with the CW, so WRAZ gives up its Fox affiliation to either WLFL (which I'm personally angling for) or WRDC.

 

[DougBroda]

> My local cable co. (Adelphia) carries WSBK 38, though no WB
> affiliate is currently (or has ever been) available. Unless
> Adelphia (or TW/Comcast...don't know which one will wind up
> with our system when all is said and done) tweaks its
> channel lineup, there will be no CW on cable here on the
> very outer fringes of the Boston TV market (Brattleboro VT).
> A few of the smaller cable systems in some surrounding
> towns do carry WLVI 56, however.
>

If TW gets your system, you can bet you'll get the CW.

 

[jegrant]

Re: Trip wonders

> A few comments about posts further down in the thread...
>
> - The definition of city-grade for DTV is awfully loose.
> You can put your -DT a whole lot further from the
> city-of-license than you can your analog. Heck, the DTV
> transmitter for the Pax station in this market (Nashville)
> is *70 miles* from the city of license -- and still makes
> city-grade. (just barely)
>
> Point being, WNDY-DT could move its transmitter into
> Indianapolis and still make city-grade across Marion. Since
> WLKY Louisville is staying on channel 26, I don't see any
> interference issues that would be raised from such a change
> either.

FWIW, this has already been done in the Indy market. WTTK/29/Kokomo (The WB, for now anyway) has its primary DTV transmitter located in Marion County (and I'm fairly sure it's on the same tower as WXIN). The city grade contour just barely covers Kokomo. They also are/were operating an auxiliary DTV transmitter at the Windfall site where WTTK's analog transmitter is. This is apparently an attempt by Tribune to see if two is better than one, and presumably also an attempt to provide better (or at least sufficient) service to the COL. Both transmitters operate on the same channel AFAIK.

IMO, it's a very good thing that WNDY has a heritage as, literally, INDY-TV. (Complete with racing theme/logo) I wouldn't be shocked if it goes back to that. The hundred-to-one shot here is LIN could decide to flip it to Univision (simulcasting co-owned WIIH-CA). I feel like it's worth a try.