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How to fix Seattle Stations

Time to play armchair QB cowboys. Several posters say Seattle stations are all mediocre, this boy doesn't agree, but has a few suggestions for some sick stations. ;)

MOVIN: Go Right after KUBE and go without jocks. You will win. T-MAN is all talk and KUBE is cluttered and lacks direct competition. MOVIN is a niche format partners and quite frankly the airstaff in place doesn't add much.

KMPS: Cluttered and a mess of a station. Try playing some music in the morning too.

KISS: Start over. Flush the talent except Marcus D and play the hits professor

KNDD: Flip to sports. The format is over

JACK: Add a morning show to expand station identity


The rest of the stations in town do a fair to good job of deliverin the goods I think. These are illin. :-\
 
This discussion is theoretic in nature, since there are many factors that weigh on a format change. For example, I do not think THE END will change. Even with poor ratings performance the station serves a flanker position in the Seattle Ent Group. It protects KISW from a young attack and does the same for KMTT. Should the END flip sports it would leave a giant gap for a younger leaning AAA or well-run alternative. Remember, group PD's have to look at the entire picture. If the END gets dramatically better it will only hurt its sister stations and if it goes away the sister stations are threatened. With that in mind I would just automate the END and get rid of the morning show. Provide a low cost music alternative on the male dial that doesn't hurt KISW and KMTT.

On to KBKS. The station fills a significant format option in the Seattle market and is underperforming. In this station's case it is imperative the product be improved, since it does not formatically infringe on any of its sister stations: KMPS, KJAQ, KPTK, KZOK. The station must lean in a more hit direction appealing to a wider base than teens. The morning show must be coached or replaced with a veteran show that can attract the 24-44 female core of CHR mornings.

KQMV exists, only if KBKS underperforms. If KBKS can be fixed KQMV will not have enought traction to survive. Research in LA shows that the MOVIN format can't get traction because the Mainstream CHR delivers. This is simple math. If KBKS continues to falter KQMV will survive as a low cost, high margin station.

KMPS will not change. It is the heritage country station with a heritage morning show. I have it on good authority that a consultant is working with the morning show to create focus and emphasize the heritage elements and community feel of this station. The last trend is an indicator of the impact on the KWFF morning show. Both KZOK and KPLZ's established marquee shows use the heritage and community good will to drive ratings. KMPS is becoming more effective in this area as the last trend indicates. Commercial loads have already been reduced to eliminate clutter, resulting in KMPS now beating KWFF in key demos, especially in the last trend.

JACK is a well-executed niche format. I agree that it now needs to hybrid. Many JACK stations have become virtual Classic Rock stations, but that is not possible in the CBS cluster because it would infringe on KZOK. Therefore, JACK must expand its female numbers with careful selection of key female records. If JACK can seduce a morning show in the market with heritage and female appeal that would be the next adjustment of KJAQ. The difficulty is that the key morning shows that could deliver this demo are either already within the CBS cluster or under contract at another local station. I have it on good authority that once those contracts end, JACK will be empowered financially to acquire morning talent.

Armchair quarterbacking is just that. Without proper context the discussion is theoretic
 
I'm kind of out-to-lunch here because I like some of the tweaks that others don't seem to like. I'm a fan of the KBSG changes because it made the station much more attractive to me (someone who grew up admiring and working the "fun" stations when they still made a splash on the audience).

This is re-print of stuff I have said in the past but put it out here now because of this discussion.

In light of Fisher's new "synergy" (one GM covering all Seattle Radio/TV), I think this is a great time to revisit the KPLZ becomes "KOMO-FM" concept. Hard to do now because the station still has some legs and does well in billing ... but STRATEGICALLY I think it has a great future as a hybrid Music/Info station with 180% emphasis on PUGET SOUND COMMUNITY. K&A (and the station) already have that reputation, and would be awesome as adult station hosts.

If that happened, I would jump on the JACK bandwagon of turning that station a bit more contemporary (with some talent presence) and keep the imaging/attitude, etc. -- but less emphasis on 80's foundation (since KJR and KBSG creeping into that arena pretty heavily). Would give the market a decent adult contemporary station that is too old for KISS listeners, not as urban as Movin/KUBE, and doesn't TRY to be anything more than music provider. Let KIRO/KOMO duke out the expensive overhead newsrooms at this point.

Most of the other stations seem to be delivering OK ... with the exception of ones in trouble, and it appears some of those already on the way to being "fixed". I don't think Sandusky will ever have the mindset to be a foreground operator any more ... it's expensive and they seem to love the concept of running decent formats without a lot of marketing $$ and talent presence (not to imply anything wrong with the talent ... just all their stations put the music PRODUCT above all else). To suddenly run to corporate with a purchase order to "spend, spend" not in their future IMO.

CBS for the most part has stable properties...just need some adjustment, which according to these threads, they are already doing. They have done a nice job of making a collection of stations that don't step too much on each other and that means you mostly have to worry about external attacks. But their key stations are heritage (KMPS, KZOK) which means someone's first order of biz is to UNSEAT the leader and that's hard and very expensive to do (as WOLF is seeing).

CLEAR CHANNEL and ENTERCOM ... not sure what to make of these. They also have some heritage performers that carry the load, and also have some legacy product that needs refreshing and updating. I don't think either one is missing the ball game, their challenges are just like any other market where they are trying to balance competition and efficient operations.

As Bill Wippel pointed out ... that mindset will never create the kind of programming we once had, but like the comments about Sandusky, no one in those companies is going to run to corporate tier asking to spend money on any huge risk. So it's up to the other stations to try things, and it seems those operators (Fisher, Bustos, Salem, Crista, Bonneville, etc.) have done a good job of establishing a niche and milking it.

Next interesting move will be to watch what Riv does with KISS. If he can find a balance between getting kids and parents on board at the same time, it will be a home run. As a parent, though, I worry that those audiences are becoming a BIT more mutually exclusive, but I do know a lot of parents who are MUCH more "hip" than I am!!!!
 
I think KUBE could be challenged quite effectively with a young air staff and less clutter and more music that is very on target. Minus all the promotional work records KUBE plays to get label support. (Kind of like KUBE when they kicked-off the rhythmic version back around '91)

Imagine a hot young air talent playing the hits against KUBE in mid-day!
 
lets get to it boys:

KISS: Blow it up and start over. MOVIN has killed em.
KUBE: KISS should take them on directly with young talent. KUBE would fall quickly. Heritage means zero in a young format.
JACK: Sounds great, needs to keep it goin
MOVIN: Sounds great, Alan Burns is now seeing positive growth in Portland and SF. LA has issues. ya ya factor helps
KBSG: Take it HOT/AC or AC. Bonneville is expert at both.
STAR: The country/hotac/chr mix of music is baffling. I note that KBIG in LA is doing this now too, with KPLZ's PD rumored to be consulting.
KMPS: Dying, but a solid second country. should automate someday to battle WOLF's personality approach.
KNDD; Blow it up.
PROFESSOR: Needs to leave town and consult somewhere else.
LITTLEBOYBLUE: Go blow your hornYou live in the past with AQH and DJDAN.
BEEFJERKY: Good observations as always.
ILOVEBEER: drink some wine

Mamma always knowsbest and that is ya ya good.
 
radioprofessor said:
Armchair quarterbacking is just that. Without proper context the discussion is theoretic

Agree with most of your comments.

WAY too many people in here think that changing formats simply involve new letterhead, new t-shirts and/or a new library.

Thank you for adding common sense into these discussions.
 
KBKS would be smart as hell to go Rhythmic. Marcus D. might have thought that KUBE was unbeatable but that is completely untrue. Get good YOUNG talent, play the harder stuff that KUBE isn't touching and reinvent rhythmic in Seattle. KUBE has survived for so long simply because there was no competition to directly take them out. In the CHR Rhythmic/Urban world, KUBE is comparable to Vanilla Ice. No street cred, not hard, not cool (outside of the market that is). KBKS could steal the cool factor away from KUBE if they just went all they way. Rivers has done this before so my guess is he cuts everyone but Marcus, gets a new morning show in and starts clean. There will be room for a CHR mainstream station only after KUBE is taken out. While I love Shelly Hart as a jock, it's painful listening to her talk up Chingy or Kanye. Hell, if Movin' was smart they'd pick her up. She'd own that format!
 
I completely agree with ilovebeer. Except about Marcus D. That guy sounds like a dork! They need to get rid of everyone and start new with a "real" hip hop station.
 
The fact is, KUBE is trying to hold onto their heritage, why else would they spin sooo much old school and recurrents. This leaves them vulnerable for another station to come in, bang the hottest hip hop over and over and over....and win! But KUBE wont learn that until it happens (ahem...CBS....call your Rythmic VP Todd Cavanaugh Im sure he knows a thing or two).
 
Agreed seatacpro and I have it on good authority that Todd is aware of the situation in Seattle. Changes are coming.
 
Hip/Hop is the correct move, River's knows nothing about it so I doubt that will be the move. I am guess FRESH, Mainstream with a new team or
maybe a full push into some sort of ROCK format. That would take more ya ya guts. Mark Kaye showed Vision going to MOVIN from a dead HOT/AC. Will Rivers
and CBS have the same vision to blow up KISS? Mammaknowsbest.
 
KUBE degraded their imaging of the so-called "hip-hop lifestyle" in the last 7 months partly in response to KQMV's entry into the market. Simply put, they toned it down, and slowed it down. So this creates an opening for a station like 106.1 to encompass an across-the-board lifestyle station involving music, clothes, fashion, and high octave promotions. But CBS is too entrenched with continuing on with their hybrid KISS merging Country and Pop into an inconsistent mess. So KUBE continues by default.
 
FMSteve said:
KUBE degraded their imaging of the so-called "hip-hop lifestyle" in the last 7 months partly in response to KQMV's entry into the market. Simply put, they toned it down, and slowed it down. So this creates an opening for a station like 106.1 to encompass an across-the-board lifestyle station involving music, clothes, fashion, and high octave promotions. But CBS is too entrenched with continuing on with their hybrid KISS merging Country and Pop into an inconsistent mess. So KUBE continues by default.

Has anyone who has been saying that "KUBE sucks" (in their own words and in varying degrees) given any thought to the state of the format as a whole right now?

KUBE is playing the hand that the music industry is dealing them.

Has anyone thought of that?
 
AQH said:
FMSteve said:
KUBE degraded their imaging of the so-called "hip-hop lifestyle" in the last 7 months partly in response to KQMV's entry into the market. Simply put, they toned it down, and slowed it down. So this creates an opening for a station like 106.1 to encompass an across-the-board lifestyle station involving music, clothes, fashion, and high octave promotions. But CBS is too entrenched with continuing on with their hybrid KISS merging Country and Pop into an inconsistent mess. So KUBE continues by default.

Has anyone who has been saying that "KUBE sucks" (in their own words and in varying degrees) given any thought to the state of the format as a whole right now?

KUBE is playing the hand that the music industry is dealing them.

Has anyone thought of that?


That's not really valid. Hip-Hop is now the biggest selling genre in current music.
Also....as for the format

As for English-language music stations, here's how some other stations in the format rank ratings-wise.

KPWR/Los Angeles #2
KMEL/San Francisco #2
WJMN/Boston #1
WPGC/Washington DC #1
WPOW/Miami #3
and KUBE/Seattle by the way trending at #1

What I think the sentiment of the thread was (in varying degrees) is that KUBE isnt what it used to be. Thats not the music industry's fault (other stations are better than they used to be).
 
majoradio said:
BACKnUSSR said:
Hip-Hop is now the biggest selling genre in current music....

That ancient format went out with Apple iMacs...

..It's now 'Techno-Dance', bubbas...

Really? Have you checked downloads lately?
 
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