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How To Get Promoted In Radio

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faridwontmind

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Due largely to the unbelievable story in Syracuse,Citadel has promoted Kevin Legret to Regional President.He'll be working closely with Citadels new "get it done "guy, former FEMA head Michael Brown.
Congratulations to both for equally jaw dropping performances!
 
> Due largely to the unbelievable story in Syracuse,Citadel
> has promoted Kevin Legret to Regional President.He'll be
> working closely with Citadels new "get it done "guy, former
> FEMA head Michael Brown.
> Congratulations to both for equally jaw dropping
> performances!


hey pope..nice trends.,...*LMao*
>
 
> > Due largely to the unbelievable story in Syracuse,Citadel
> > has promoted Kevin Legret to Regional President.He'll be
> > working closely with Citadels new "get it done "guy,
> former
> > FEMA head Michael Brown.
> > Congratulations to both for equally jaw dropping
> > performances!
>
>
> hey pope..nice trends.,...*LMao*
> >
>

Oh, do tell Genius. I'm dying to know how Power and the Dog are setting the world on fire. Bet the ever tanking Y94 is really kicking butt, huh?!
 
> > > Due largely to the unbelievable story in
> Syracuse,Citadel
> > > has promoted Kevin Legret to Regional President.He'll be
>
> > > working closely with Citadels new "get it done "guy,
> > former
> > > FEMA head Michael Brown.
> > > Congratulations to both for equally jaw dropping
> > > performances!
> >
> >
> > hey pope..nice trends.,...*LMao*
> > >
> >
>
> Oh, do tell Genius. I'm dying to know how Power and the Dog
> are setting the world on fire. Bet the ever tanking Y94 is
> really kicking butt, huh?!

I love it when you guys always talk about the lowest of our stations,,,but never about our powerhouses...*LOL*
Lets talk about KRock..or Sunny..or any of your other really crappy stations...
TK is your "powerhouse"...how did they do in the trend??? *LOL*
I notice you didn't ask about B...or Hot...or WSYR...hehehehehehehehehehehe

>
 
En Provence

> Due largely to the unbelievable story in Syracuse,Citadel
> has promoted Kevin Legret to Regional President.

Maybe you need to look beyond your own market. Syracuse is just a boil on the butt of Citadel at the moment. I'll admit that I don't know why some heads haven't rolled, but there may be contractual problems that need to be overcome.

Otherwise, the markets that Legret is overseeing have done well. I don't know much about his methods, but he's gotten pretty good results. He's also one of Farid's boys from his old Infinity days.
 
> > > > Due largely to the unbelievable story in
> > Syracuse,Citadel
> > > > has promoted Kevin Legret to Regional President.He'll
> be
> >
> > > > working closely with Citadels new "get it done "guy,
> > > former
> > > > FEMA head Michael Brown.
> > > > Congratulations to both for equally jaw dropping
> > > > performances!
> > >
> > >
> > > hey pope..nice trends.,...*LMao*
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > Oh, do tell Genius. I'm dying to know how Power and the
> Dog
> > are setting the world on fire. Bet the ever tanking Y94 is
>
> > really kicking butt, huh?!
>
> I love it when you guys always talk about the lowest of our
> stations,,,but never about our powerhouses...*LOL*
> Lets talk about KRock..or Sunny..or any of your other really
> crappy stations...
> TK is your "powerhouse"...how did they do in the trend???
> *LOL*
> I notice you didn't ask about B...or Hot...or
> WSYR...hehehehehehehehehehehe
>
> >
>

Hot is a powerhouse? Anything less than a 10 share for WWHT is a disgrace. However, leave it up to the spinners on Plum Street to label a disappointment like HOT1079 a success.
 
> Hot is a powerhouse? Anything less than a 10 share for WWHT
> is a disgrace. However, leave it up to the spinners on Plum
> Street to label a disappointment like HOT1079 a success.
>
Do you honestly think there is enough of a pop audience out there that either CHR could ever get a 10 share again? For Hot to ever get a 10, they would have to CRUSH 93Q and that won't happen. Beat them yes, but never crush them.
 
> > Hot is a powerhouse? Anything less than a 10 share for
> WWHT
> > is a disgrace. However, leave it up to the spinners on
> Plum
> > Street to label a disappointment like HOT1079 a success.
> >
> Do you honestly think there is enough of a pop audience out
> there that either CHR could ever get a 10 share again? For
> Hot to ever get a 10, they would have to CRUSH 93Q and that
> won't happen. Beat them yes, but never crush them.
>
Q and Hot have not been competitors for years. Q is a hot ac. Hot is the only top 40 in town. If Hot was programmed well, it would have a 10 share.
 
Step #1

> Q and Hot have not been competitors for years. Q is a hot
> ac. Hot is the only top 40 in town. If Hot was programmed
> well, it would have a 10 share.

Hmmmm. Sounds like somebody is LOOKING for a promotion. Step #1 in your quest is to send in your application & resume. With your extensive background in programming and your track record of success, I'm sure that they'll just snap you right up at a significant increase in pay.
 
Re: Step #1

> > Q and Hot have not been competitors for years. Q is a hot
>
> > ac. Hot is the only top 40 in town. If Hot was
> programmed
> > well, it would have a 10 share.
>
> Hmmmm. Sounds like somebody is LOOKING for a promotion. Step
> #1 in your quest is to send in your application & resume.
> With your extensive background in programming and your track
> record of success, I'm sure that they'll just snap you right
> up at a significant increase in pay.
>

Ha!

You guys always try to combat valid opinions by attempting to denigrate the status of the poster. That is a tactic of one who has no leg on which to stand.

Of course, you are wrong about my position in the industry.

Typical response.
 
Typical Response

> Typical response.

Yeah, well you're a typical bigmouth with lots of opinions about how other people should be doing their jobs, without a word about your own track record. So, Big Shot, we've heard your opinions. Your assessment of Q as a Hot AC is at odds with their reporting status at the trades. Seems to me that Q IS competition for Hot, and that you're just a windbag looking for a little attention.
 
Re: Typical Response

> > Typical response.
>
> Yeah, well you're a typical bigmouth with lots of opinions
> about how other people should be doing their jobs, without a
> word about your own track record. So, Big Shot, we've heard
> your opinions. Your assessment of Q as a Hot AC is at odds
> with their reporting status at the trades. Seems to me that
> Q IS competition for Hot, and that you're just a windbag
> looking for a little attention.
>



Exactly.

Where do you work and what is your title?

I didn't think so.

Tepidly playing Golddigger (a song by the current darling of the elite, white "oh aren't we so open minded" crowd) only at night still qualifies a station as a Hot AC.

Status in the trades means nothing. Lots of urban stations report as CHR's.

I am a "typical bigmouth with lots of opinions?" Isn't giving opinions what this board is for? Are you the only one who can state his opinion and not be a "bigmouth?"

I am not looking for attention. I am only telling the truth.

You are employing a typical diversion tactic. We are talking about how Hot 1079 is nowhere near where it should be. We are not talking about who I am and where I work. You have no leg to stand on regarding the subject at hand, that is why you have to change the subject and attack me.
 
Blah, Blah, Blah

> You are employing a typical diversion tactic. We are
> talking about how Hot 1079 is nowhere near where it should
> be. We are not talking about who I am and where I work.
> You have no leg to stand on regarding the subject at hand,
> that is why you have to change the subject and attack me.

Let me put it succinctly. I think you're wrong, and that Hot has plenty of competition in its genre, primarily from Q. If you have some diary data regarding listening habits, or shared cume that shows there's little or no sharing of audience between Hot and Q, let's hear about it. Otherwise, you've got opinions, but nothing to back them up.

Opinions based on nothing are worth _________?
 
Re: Blah, Blah, Blah

> > You are employing a typical diversion tactic. We are
> > talking about how Hot 1079 is nowhere near where it should
>
> > be. We are not talking about who I am and where I work.
> > You have no leg to stand on regarding the subject at hand,
>
> > that is why you have to change the subject and attack me.
>
> Let me put it succinctly. I think you're wrong, and that Hot
> has plenty of competition in its genre, primarily from Q. If
> you have some diary data regarding listening habits, or
> shared cume that shows there's little or no sharing of
> audience between Hot and Q, let's hear about it. Otherwise,
> you've got opinions, but nothing to back them up.
>
> Opinions based on nothing are worth _________?
>

I do not have a Syracuse book in front of me, but I am confident the numbers would support my position.

If you think Hot and Q compete for the same listeners, you are completely wrong.

Hot has no competition. The only competition Hot had was Power. Now, Power has been killed to allow the existence of mediocre radio on Hot.
 
Misplaced Confidence

> I do not have a Syracuse book in front of me, but I am
> confident the numbers would support my position.

IF you have access to a book, and know how to read it, you'd better take a closer look at it.

> If you think Hot and Q compete for the same listeners, you
> are completely wrong.

REALLY? There is no audience sharing? They don't attempt to address the same demographics? Refer to answer # 1.

> Hot has no competition. The only competition Hot had was
> Power. Now, Power has been killed to allow the existence of
> mediocre radio on Hot.

Power was an underperforming signal that has been shifted toward a demo where they hope to make MONEY. Since they're both owned by the same company, why should they compete with themselves?

One of the problems with radio programmers today is that they narrow the focus of a station more than the musical interests of their listeners. The same listeners may want to hear Urban one minute, and Pop ten minutes later. If you don't believe me, watch a teenager or young adult listen to the radio in a car. It's push-button, push-button, push-button. One of the reasons that iPods and satellite radio are making inroads - besides the ridiculous commercial loads - is the narrow, predictable playlists on most CHRs of any stripe.

You need to go beyond your personal listening habits and prejudices.
 
Re: Misplaced Confidence

> > I do not have a Syracuse book in front of me, but I am
> > confident the numbers would support my position.
>
> IF you have access to a book, and know how to read it, you'd
> better take a closer look at it.
>
> > If you think Hot and Q compete for the same listeners, you
>
> > are completely wrong.
>
> REALLY? There is no audience sharing? They don't attempt to
> address the same demographics? Refer to answer # 1.
>
> > Hot has no competition. The only competition Hot had was
> > Power. Now, Power has been killed to allow the existence
> of
> > mediocre radio on Hot.
>
> Power was an underperforming signal that has been shifted
> toward a demo where they hope to make MONEY. Since they're
> both owned by the same company, why should they compete with
> themselves?
>
> One of the problems with radio programmers today is that
> they narrow the focus of a station more than the musical
> interests of their listeners. The same listeners may want to
> hear Urban one minute, and Pop ten minutes later. If you
> don't believe me, watch a teenager or young adult listen to
> the radio in a car. It's push-button, push-button,
> push-button. One of the reasons that iPods and satellite
> radio are making inroads - besides the ridiculous commercial
> loads - is the narrow, predictable playlists on most CHRs of
> any stripe.
>
> You need to go beyond your personal listening habits and
> prejudices.


As usual, your response has nothing to do with my orginal point, which is that Hot is a bad station which has essentially not seen its numbers rise since having its only competitor moved out of the way.

Hot and Q do not compete for the same listeners. They are two different life groups. Is there a certain amount of sharing? Yes, I am sure. However, there is nothing near the sharing that went on between Power and Hot. I doubt you have looked at a book. Your answer regarding sharing was vague. You offered no specifics.

In your arrogance, you make asumptions about me that are not true. Power SHOULD have been moved away from Hot. The problem is that Hot is such a bad station that it could not capitalize.

My position has nothing to do with my musical tastes. You are so arrogant that you can not see that you are a hypocrite, in that YOUR focus is what is too narrow. Hot's problems are not limited to music. It is poorly programmed in all aspects, from top to bottom.
 
Welcome to 2005

> My position has nothing to do with my musical tastes. You
> are so arrogant that you can not see that you are a
> hypocrite, in that YOUR focus is what is too narrow. Hot's
> problems are not limited to music. It is poorly programmed
> in all aspects, from top to bottom.

They're the #2 station 12+ in the market. That hardly makes them a failure. In fact, when you look at the performance of CHR in markets around the country, Hot is doing quite well. CHR as a format is suffering from significant erosion nationwide, and it has more to do with music than it does with local formatics.

I hate to tell you this, but radio in Syracuse is not exactly top-shelf. Do a little travelling and listening, and you'll find that Syracuse is not the market it was 10 years ago. A lot of it is the effect of big companies overpaying for properties to create clusters, and cutting costs to pay debt service. The resulting loss of talent through voice-tracking and syndication has hurt radio in virtually every market.

So, if you think Hot could be better, you're right. Will they get better? Doubtful, because the economics don't support spending more money.
 
Re: Welcome to 2005

> > My position has nothing to do with my musical tastes. You
>
> > are so arrogant that you can not see that you are a
> > hypocrite, in that YOUR focus is what is too narrow.
> Hot's
> > problems are not limited to music. It is poorly
> programmed
> > in all aspects, from top to bottom.
>
> They're the #2 station 12+ in the market. That hardly makes
> them a failure. In fact, when you look at the performance of
> CHR in markets around the country, Hot is doing quite well.
> CHR as a format is suffering from significant erosion
> nationwide, and it has more to do with music than it does
> with local formatics.
>
> I hate to tell you this, but radio in Syracuse is not
> exactly top-shelf. Do a little travelling and listening, and
> you'll find that Syracuse is not the market it was 10 years
> ago. A lot of it is the effect of big companies overpaying
> for properties to create clusters, and cutting costs to pay
> debt service. The resulting loss of talent through
> voice-tracking and syndication has hurt radio in virtually
> every market.
>
> So, if you think Hot could be better, you're right. Will
> they get better? Doubtful, because the economics don't
> support spending more money.
>

They are the only station in Syracuse playing the most popular music in the country, and they can not break double digits 12+. They should be number one in the market.

While I have no access to Hot's salaries, it is safe to say that they are spending the same (if not more) money than they have in recent years. They used to be voice tracked in the evening. Now they are live. They now have an off-air PD (in charge of two stations, just like Hot's previous PD).

I stand by my assertion that Hot is underperforming. It is not a matter of resources. It is just a matter of bad programming decisions.
 
Re: Welcome to 2005

> They are the only station in Syracuse playing the most
> popular music in the country, and they can not break double
> digits 12+. They should be number one in the market.
>

Hate to break it to you, but there aren't that many markets anymore where being the #1 CHR makes you #1 12+. B104 gets a solid 11-12 share every book, Hot cannot and will not take any listeners from B104 (not because they're owned by the same company but as you said earlier, they are two different life groups). Country is #1 in many markets across the country. News/Talk is #1 in a LOT of the top markets. CHR? Not so much anymore.
 
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