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How to hook up Optimod 8100A

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I have an Optimod-FM 8100A with a BNC connector output in back, and I need to know how to connect it to my transmitter's audio cable, which has left and right RCA plugs. Is there an adapter for this, or do I have to fabricate/invent something in order to connect the two? Thanks.
 
The Optimod contains an internal stereo generator. It does not have the provisions for feeding L and R line level to a transmitter.
 
To explain a little further, composite audio is a super wideband analog output with the left and right channels already mixed together in a format that can be decoded by a standard stereo receiver. If you feed this output into your left or right input, or both, it won't work properly. Your transmitter needs a composite input to be able to use the output provided by an Optimod.

What type of transmitter do you have? Are you a licensed broadcaster?
 
frankberry said:
Probably not a licensed broadcaster. The transmitter has RCA audio connectors.

Correct...until the FCC starts licensing Part 15, if they ever do (not holding my breath). The transmitter's a Ramsey 25B with a single 1/8" stereo jack that receives an adapter for the audio cable with the RCA plugs. I also have an EDM with RCA jacks in back.
 
You can get audio out of the test jacks on the back (pair of RCA jacks) but it is pre-emphasized.
Unless there is a jumper or switch that allows you to defeat the pre-emphasis in the Ramsey's stereo generator, you will get a very shrill sound.
 
TomT said:
You can get audio out of the test jacks on the back (pair of RCA jacks) but it is pre-emphasized.
Unless there is a jumper or switch that allows you to defeat the pre-emphasis in the Ramsey's stereo generator, you will get a very shrill sound.

Yeah, I've disabled the stereo gen in the Ramsey. What exactly is "pre-emphasis?" I'm familiar with the term, but not the meaning.

frankberry said:
Probably not a licensed broadcaster. The transmitter has RCA audio connectors.

Correct, frankberry...unfortunately, that's how they make 'em. :mad:

Kmagrill said:
Your transmitter needs a composite input to be able to use the output provided by an Optimod.

Thanks, Kmagrill...any ideas on how to accomplish this? I really want to press this Optimod into service.

Thanks for all your responses...as you've doubtless surmised, I'm not an engineer, and I've always appreciated how willing engineers are to help out.
 
Allow me to suggest an alternate route...for my part 15 FM playtoy, I have a Broadcast Warehouse 1 watt exciter circuit board that has a composite input. To throttle it down to part 15 specs, I have a 47 ohm 2 watt resistor across the RF Output to eat up almost all the power and a not fully extended paper clip for the antenna. I have used an 8100A on it in the past (before upgrading to Breakaway Broadcast Processor) and it sounded great. Even if you manage to somehow marry the 8100A to the Ramsey, it will be like trying to run a 454 4 barrel V8 engine on a skateboard. The Ramsey is incapable of producing great audio no matter what is feeding it.
 
If you don't mind tinkering, you could find the point where the built-in stereo generator feeds the FM modulating circuits--and jeep in a coax with a BNC on the other end. This allows you to feed the composite stereo signal directly into the Ramsey from the composite output of the Optimod (the BNC jack).

I had to do this with a Broadcast Warehouse 100 watter--one of the few approved models for LPFM, --that had the same configuration with no obvious way to feed it composite. Worked OK, although the BW unit never could manage more than about 60 watts.

All FM transmitters use pre-emphasis, with corresponding de-emphasis in the FM receiver. See:

http://www.claessonedwards.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=72&Itemid=89

A likely explanation for the early adoption of pre-emphasis for FM I've seen is that the early receiver designs created loud hiss between stations. By rolling off the the audio response sharply above 1 KC this eliminated or reduced this noise. Then the transmitted audio's frequency response was boosted to mirror this H.F. roll-off in order to get flat response.
 
I tried the composite input mod on the Ramsey and it sort of worked but there was always a buzz in the audio that varied. Also tried removing the pre-emphasis caps so as to use the 8100A's RCA outs....it seems it stopped working when the pre-emphasis caps were removed--something I didn't understand. That's when I went with the little BW 1 watt circuit board and have never looked back.
 
I don't like to knock anyone's efforts but 'transmitting devices' which have RCA inputs are generally toys.
They are designed to send your ipod or mp3 player's audio around your house and that's about it.
They are not designed for serious on-air use.
You'll normally find that these units are fed from a wal-wart plug pack.
Real transmitters (exciters) have built in power supplies and will come in a rack case, with professional connectors on the rear and will almost always have provision to feed composite (mux) directly into them.

Your choice of using the BW board is a good one.
 
I'm a happy user of the BW 1w kit transmitter. They are awesome. For the value of your Optimod, chances are someone on here would gladly trade you a kit audio processor that would be more to your needs. :)
 
It looks like these devices do some limiting and crude clipping. I think I see a diode on the top center of it in the picture, which is most likely the "clipping circuit".

The Compellor is strictly a compressor/leveler. It's also much more intelligent than this design, combining the two functions with a freeze gate and Aphex's DVG gate. There's also an LF roll-off in the control loop so bass doesn't punch holes in the audio.

If you were to use a Compellor for FM broadcast, you would have to at least follow it with a Dominator 723 (with preemphasis) to limit things to 75kHz deviation.
 
Your best bet would be to disable the pre-emphasis on your ramsey and feed the test jack outputs of your optimod to it.
I'm not absolutely sure about the FM25 but I know with my FM10 there is a simple 15k resistor in parallel with a capacitor for left/right inputs that create the built in pre-emphasis.
It was as simple as removing the capacitor for both left and right, then adding a .001uF capacitor from the audio inputs on the chip to ground to decouple any RF from the BA1404 chip. Not doing that makes the chip squeal on air for some reason.
I'm sure the FM25 is very similar.
 
Kage Michaels said:
... to decouple any RF from the BA1404 chip. Not doing that makes the chip squeal on air for some reason.

I seriously hope you are not using a BA1404 device for on-air work.
 
Studio1 said:
Kage Michaels said:
... to decouple any RF from the BA1404 chip. Not doing that makes the chip squeal on air for some reason.

I seriously hope you are not using a BA1404 device for on-air work.
LOL for part 15 work yes which it is well suited for.
Besides as much crap flinging as people throw at the BA1404 and other similar FM transmitter chips it's actually not a bad chip for its stereo generator itself for low power transmitters. The problem is with how it's incorporated into cheap kit transmitters.

The problem comes in when using its built in VHF oscillator which is prone to harmonics and spurs because of the oversimplified cruddy oscillator being designed into the same chip.
When using just the built in BA1404 stereo multiplex generator and running its composite output to a well shielded separate PLL oscillator and RF buffer it's quite possible to design a stable clean transmitter with quality stereo separation of well over 50db and little distortion.
Also taking into consideration the removal of any pre-emphasis in the transmitter itself and leaving that to be done by the audio processing chain like that of my original suggestion.

Of course it's impossible to achieve this with a cheap kit like those sold by Ramsey without major modifications which one may as well just yank the chip and rebuild the whole thing from scratch, but keep in mind that some of the more high end all in one box exciters used for LPFM licensed service *that are FCC approved* are built exactly this way incorporating very similar chips to do its time switched DSB-SC ultrasonic L-R channel, L+R baseband channel, pilot generation and so on all in the same device.

Now outside of that long winded comment I must say there is no reason not to use a quality processor with even a cheap FM transmitter kit.
People here forget that Part 15 FM can serve a small community legally, and AM even greater coverage (up to 1/4 mile).
May be flea power but it can still be educational and fun.

Also with the addition of proper audio processing you decrease the spectral content (limiting deviation) of your FM flea power signal thus increasing its range theoretically, and reduce adjacent channel interference which is ALWAYS a good thing.
Using pre-emphasis before the transmitter when placed properly in the audio chain or done directly in the 8100a will also greatly protect over-modulating on high frequency audio content in the transmitter which once again will increase your range without resorting to using higher (illegal) power levels that could interfere with licensed services.

Pirates and part 15 operators always worry about spectral content when it comes to their RF output (hopefully) and that is good to keep in mind and protect so not to cause interference, but it's also greatly important to get your audio spectrum clean so that your stereo pilot stays lit, you don't cause aliasing between audio channels, you reduce useless bandwidth sucking your listener range away from you, and the #1 is sounding good!
 
BTW kind of on topic I designed a small FM broadcast processor specifically for this purpose. It does not do the stereo generation and leaves that up to the transmitter, but does do its own AGC, pre-emphasis, 15kHz low pass filtering, 19kHz notch filtering for the stereo pilot, and final hard high frequency audio clipping, all with only 9 dual opamp chips...
http://darkliferadio.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=amfm&action=display&thread=542&page=2

I am not promoting anything here or selling any products. This is only for educational purposes. Just figured this may be of interest to those here who are technically savvy who build their own projects.

If you read through the first page on those forums you will see how the project progressed.

I lightly designed this around the same principals of the Orban 8000 not including the composite generating circuitry. This unit as is works great for kits like those produced by Ramsey as long as you disable pre-emphasis either by force or by a separate circuit between this processor and the kit.

That also can be done with the Orban 8100A. You can add a simple RC circuit to it's pre-emphasised output to remove that, and THEN run it into your transmitter. The problem is coming up with the exact RC constant values to use. It's much easier to just remove it directly from your kit itself if you can.
 
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