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How would you feel if everybody forgot your birthday?

>
> You just shot the Unequalizer down for being, surprise,
> INACCURATE and OBSESSED. Again.
>

This may come as a shock but I think it is.

Well, wait a minute. He does have an axe to grind. I wouldn't use the word "obsessed" since that implies a judgement on his motives and his thought process and I don't read minds. I don't agree with his methods but absent evidence to the contrary, I will assume he is sincere in his beliefs.
 
Re: Clarifying a point?

>
> And the brokered commercial tape mills and religious
> polluters of the educational FM band do?
>

C'mon, Phillip. Of course not. I don't like them either.

Can we stipulate that if either of us says that somebody does _______, we are not implying that others are not guilty of the same or a similar transgression?

I would also say that what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If something is wrong when Salem or "commercial tape mills and religious polluters" do it, it's also wrong when AAR/WLIB does it (and vice versa).
 
Re: Clarifying a point?

There is a difference between can and should. The FCC licenses uses of the public spectrum and the courts have held it can, in various ways, regulate content. Whether it should or not is a different matter.

The founders protected freedom of the press in an era when newspapers bore more resemble to blogs and newsletters than mass printed metro dailies - and almost anyone with a point of view could put those views in print. Similarly, anyone with a soapbox could speak in the town square. The Communications Act and various court decisions have noted that anyone can not start a radio station and that the airwaves are a very limited public resource. Therefore, the FCC is empowered to decide who gets to own a radio station.

In my opinion, the public was better served (and the industry was more profitable) when content was more diverse, live and local - when broadcasters owned fewer stations are were more attached to the communities they served - and when broadcasters could not lease out their stations to others.

I also note there is a strong correlation between progressive talk stations with the best audience numbers and those with local content, local involvement and selective use of syndicated programming. Further, the most successful talk stations are those with the strongest local identities.

I liked air travel a lot better when the CAB regulated airlines. I liked radio a lot better when the FCC regulated radio.

It's sad when broadcasters start thinking the current non-requirements you cite are good enough. Maybe that's why both audience and profits have been declining.



>
> While I think the FCC or anyone else has no business
> regulating content on stations (as a slippery slope
> argument) and would not support the belowmentioned forced
> hiring of local talent, a lot of the people here seem to
> have a different opinion about stations that run nothing but
> snake oil CDs and financial pitchmen who write the station
> checks. Those stations put a good signal over their COL, run
> legal IDs, and have studios that conform to FCC guidelines.
> So what's the difference? I can feel the slope slipping a
> bit already.
>
 
Mike and Randi

>
> That's because Mwebster is the only big promoter of Hartmann
> here. To most of the rest of us, he's just another host...
> adequate.

Hey, give me a break. I like personally Big Ed better but I included Randi for you (and because I think AAR has treated her shabbily - especially at first). I've also noticed some other admiring posts about Thom lately, so don't say I'm the "only big promoter." Just because you don't like a host, doesn't mean nobody does.

> I think Rachel Maddow is probably stronger than
> Mike Malloy as well.
>

And Ajax is stronger than dirt. ;)

Apples and oranges. I think Rachel has some potential, as yet not developed. At present, I think Malloy does a better late night show than Rachel does a morning drive show. As noted elsewhere, I also don't think much of major market stations running syndicated shows in morning drive (and yes, that applies to Bill Bennett, too).

PS: Anybody noticed the Monterey Trends this week? The "independent" progressive talk station (local-Jones-Hartmann) has edge out the station running the AAR network feed for the first time. Too soon for Sacramento and Buffalo but this is getting interesting. Stay tuned.
 
Re: Clarifying a point?

> Having read your column and your bio, I am surprised you
> would be personally satisfied with a station which only
> meets the minimal technical requirements of current FCC
> regulations. I also appreciate that as a consultant you can
> not be openly critical of the current state of the medium
> and bite the hand that feeds you.

You've missed some stuff in NERW then, haven't you? :D I've known Scott for well over 10 years now, and I've never known him to pull punches when he writes about this crazy business. Just check out a Year in Review out of the NERW archives... pretty much any of 'em.

That said, your indictment of WLIB can pretty much be spread to many of the AM stations in America, even in the #1 market of NYC.

WABC/770 runs six hours of nationally syndicated programming in the middle of the day. OK, so that's Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, both formerly local hosts on the station, but that's really not much different from WLIB...which (via AAR) originates its programming in New York City nearly full-time. Well, almost so now that Al Franken is remoting from Minnesota.

Despite broadcasting in Florida for 10 years, afternoon driver Randi Rhodes still sounds like she was plucked off the streets of Brooklyn. Mark Riley (early mornings) is a former WLIB local host, and even the bulk of Rachel Maddow's broadcast experience is within 100 miles or so of NYC. As far as I know, Janeane Garofolo and Sam Seder's evening show is still done from WLIB's studios. Franken's only out of NYC because of his alleged upcoming Senate bid, and lived there for ages working for SNL.

You know I'm far from a defender of AAR, and easily point out their shortcomings...but this "they don't serve their market of license" (?) thing is no more tied to them than it is to most other stations in 2006.

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Libtalk Battles

> PS: Anybody noticed the Monterey Trends this week? The
> "independent" progressive talk station
> (local-Jones-Hartmann) has edge out the station running the
> AAR network feed for the first time. Too soon for
> Sacramento and Buffalo but this is getting interesting.
> Stay tuned.

I've never heard it, but I wouldn't be surprised if KRXA is a better, more professional station - with better programming - than KOMY/1340...which, by the way, I believe only runs Al Franken and Randi Rhodes from AAR.

No surprise there. Even if 1340 went full time with the AAR feed, KRXA would probably beat them. And KOMY is an afterthought to MZ's primary station, KSCO/1080 (conservative talk, Rush, local morning news block).

Sacramento may be more interesting, as the new AAR affiliate (KCTC/1320) is run by Entercom, while the station that picked up Jones' programming (Schultz, Miller) in the wake of that move is the less powerful, locally owned KSAC/1240. KSAC actually picked up some surprising ratings out of the gate, though they've settled into more expected territory lately.

Both stations have a liberal talk rarity - competing local afternoon drive shows with known personalities in the market. KCTC is reportedly going to debut a local morning drive show.

Buffalo? Entercom's WWKB/1520 is gonna wipe the floor with WHLD/1270, though putting Randi on in afternoon drive was a good move by them...

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How Odd

>
> Why don't you read all 1756 before you state "essentials".
> My work on the Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Oldies, and Odd-Air
> board speaks for itself.
>

Odd-Air board? I take it back. Somebody else should proof-read.

03/29/06
> And before you go assailing me--no, I haven't criticized it, because I do it
> too. Just pointing out YOUR hypocricy (you're fond of pointing it out to
> others).

I believe you mean "hypocrisy." (This post is brought to you by the letter S).

I have reveiwed your last 25 points. You did not start one thread. In 23 of the replies you posted you presumed to "correct" an earlier poster. Most of the time, that poster's "error" is having a different opinion than yours. Yes, your "work" does speak for itself.
 
Re: How Odd

> >
> > Why don't you read all 1756 before you state "essentials".
>
> > My work on the Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Oldies, and Odd-Air
> > board speaks for itself.
> >
>
> Odd-Air board? I take it back. Somebody else should
> proof-read.

Ever been to that board? "Odd" was the appropriate word.

> 03/29/06
> > And before you go assailing me--no, I haven't criticized
> it, because I do it
> > too. Just pointing out YOUR hypocricy (you're fond of
> pointing it out to
> > others).
>
> I believe you mean "hypocrisy." (This post is brought to
> you by the letter S).

Fine. You're the one who wants to make me Proofreader--I never asked for it, or alleged any expertise.

> I have reveiwed your last 25 points. You did not start one
> thread. In 23 of the replies you posted you presumed to
> "correct" an earlier poster. Most of the time, that
> poster's "error" is having a different opinion than yours.
> Yes, your "work" does speak for itself.

So, responses aren't contributions? Stating factual information--a foreign concept to you, I know--about my positions, about other information, or about life isn't a contribution?

Why am I debating this with you, one who wishes to define the terms of discourse on this board. Interesting, I missed your blazer badge emboldened with such authority issued by the owners.
 
Re: Clarifying a point?

> > And the brokered commercial tape mills and religious
> > polluters of the educational FM band do?
> >
>
> C'mon, Phillip. Of course not. I don't like them either.

Then say it. You have been here long enough to know you'd get called on it.

Interpreting the Fybush Doctrine (everyone should have a doctrine), and giving myself the false extra credibility bonus points in that I live within walking distance of him :)-)), I think what Scott gets bemused about is the ridiculous pretense that corporate radio goes through with full complicity at the FCC of their silly little reindeer game playing about what constitutes "local service."

We have radio station rimshotters in this market that, with a straight face, file papers with the FCC chest thumping that Suburb X needs to have a local service radio station just for their own local community. No matter that as soon as the station is built, it's run out of the same building in downtown Rochester as six other stations in town and that the only mention that town is likely to actually get on the air is the legal ID or a caller with a song request.

And the FCC actually wastes time dwelling on this stuff. My only hope is that both parties realize just how much BS they are spreading in their paperwork. The station owner doesn't care one bit about serving a town 15 minutes outside of Rochester and the FCC should be smart enough to know they don't really care. But as Don Rumsfeld likes to say, "who knows?"

The funniest example of faked "localism" actually came from Sinclair TV's outrageous News Central nonsense. I think the secret was out as soon as the weatherbabe was forced to deal with our towns like Irondequoit, Honeoye Falls, and Canandaigua. That and tripping up on the towns and neighborhoods that are not pronounced as they seem - Charlotte (Sha-lot), Riga (Rye-ga), and Avon (the "a" is in "apple").

> I would also say that what is sauce for the goose is sauce
> for the gander. If something is wrong when Salem or
> "commercial tape mills and religious polluters" do it, it's
> also wrong when AAR/WLIB does it (and vice versa).

I actually agree with you about the state of "local radio" on the majority of radio stations in this country. The idea of "local programming" on many stations is a weather forecast and ID, then back to the satellite for more syndicated programming or voice-tracked music.

WLIB should have at least a local morning show (buh bye to Jerry Springer who is not doing us any favors on radio).
 
To the point

Amen. Please note today is April 2nd - not April 1st.

Fybush Doctrine: I love it. Good line.

>
> WLIB should have at least a local morning show (buh bye to
> Jerry Springer who is not doing us any favors on radio).
>

I agree. My own choice would be local show in morning drive. Steph in late morning. And still send Jerry back to trailer trash talk TV. If Jerry had really wanted to redeem himself, he should have dropped the TV gig. Early on, I thought Jerry's radio show had some potential but the show has gotten less interesting, less entertaining and more predictable. Whereas Steph's show has gained traction.

PS: Have you been able to listen to Buffalo's competing PT stations where you are? Any reactions, especially to the local shows?
 
Re: To the point

> PS: Have you been able to listen to Buffalo's competing PT
> stations where you are? Any reactions, especially to the
> local shows?

I'm in Rochester, so I don't get the AAR affiliate there at all here so I don't know. As for 1520, I listen only for Stephanie Miller if I missed her live run on WROC (she's repeated in the evening). WROC has been pre-empting the tape-delayed Randi Rhodes for silly ballgames quite a bit, which seems stupid to me because I can't imagine a large number of Rhodes' listeners are going to stick around for the ballgames. I know I'm not.

Entercom runs both WROC and WWKB. They both suffer from the same problem - automation not really that well done. Satellite feeds left open when they shouldn't be, occasional dead air, and odd choices for promos. They have one ID that uses a music bed that actually sounds ominous with lots of minor chords. I have no idea why.

Both stations sound automated (and largely are). And people in the industry wonder why Americans feel XM and Sirius are largely interchangeable with local radio. Because they are! :)
 
Randi Speaks Out + Stephanie Miller

> Hey, give me a break. I like personally Big Ed better but I
> included Randi for you (and because I think AAR has treated
> her shabbily - especially at first). I've also noticed some
> other admiring posts about Thom lately, so don't say I'm the
> "only big promoter." Just because you don't like a host,
> doesn't mean nobody does.

Big Ed and Randi were on Larry King together last week and they didn't cat fight with each other. Randi is no big fan of Ed Schultz, but her attitude often softens about people if they get along well together, so who knows things might change.

I will say Big Ed is much more coherent on TV shows than Randi is. Randi does not do well in the short segment debate format where you put two or four talkers together to debate the issues. She is terrible at soundbites and tries to pack too many thoughts into one short segment and it comes out as a word jumble. She does better in longer form shows.

I do not dislike Thom Hartmann. I think he's articulate and competent. I just don't see him as breakout material.

Randi is -still- treated shabbily by AAR, but she's getting more attention with her increased ratings and getting more invites. I think Rhodes is the real star of Air America, but Al Franken gets all the attention. She's also alluded indirectly to her displeasure about her salary. I think she took Unequalizer's salary reports partially seriously (not about Franken's support staff or his cash demands - but I think she is perturbed about Garofalo and Seder possibly making more than her). Rhodes has also occasionally taken shots at show hosts who get paid and never show up to do their show (a clear shot at Garofalo who often literally phones in her performance). But she runs hot and cold with the other talent on AAR. It's often very hard to get a real feel where she stands on people because it changes day to day.

BTW, if anyone wants to take the temperature of what's going on behind the scenes at AAR, Randi Rhodes is the only show host you need because she can and does take shots at management and other hosts on the air.

> > I think Rachel Maddow is probably stronger than
> > Mike Malloy as well.
> >
>
> And Ajax is stronger than dirt. ;)

I am not going there. :)

> PS: Anybody noticed the Monterey Trends this week? The
> "independent" progressive talk station
> (local-Jones-Hartmann) has edge out the station running the
> AAR network feed for the first time. Too soon for
> Sacramento and Buffalo but this is getting interesting.
> Stay tuned.

I am not surprised. Stephanie Miller is gold - comedy/entertainment with politics. She just has to make sure she keeps the bits changing so they don't get too repetitive. She was on Hannity & Colmes last week and is one of the few liberal guests Hannity has no idea what to do with. She sluts it up with him and he gets totally flustered and paper-shuffly. There was a mini-scandal a few years ago when she kissed him and was hanging all over him at some event and the papers got wind of it. She also got around to calling him her satanic love muffin or some such. Could you imagine her on that show instead of Alan Colmes.

I haven't listened to Springer since I found Stephanie.
 
Re: To the point

I guess you're not a baseball fan. Stations can sell baseball (and in dayparts that otherwise won't sell)and baseball brings in money and gets local advertisers on a station. Ballgames are mostly at night and on-weekends which is when the talk radio audience has a huge fall-off anyway. So running ballgames make sense: Minimal disruption to talk programming when people are listening and an extra revenue stream.

>
> Both stations sound automated (and largely are). And people
> in the industry wonder why Americans feel XM and Sirius are
> largely interchangeable with local radio. Because they are!
> :)
>

Excellent point. Well said.
 
Today, I am a doctrine!

> Amen. Please note today is April 2nd - not April 1st.
>
> Fybush Doctrine: I love it. Good line.

Damn. Now I'm going to owe Dampier royalties. (Phil, would you settle for lunch at the Bagel Bin? That should be about halfway, and it's not like I can drive down Elmwood with all that construction, anyway...)

But I digress. Yeah, I was being a little bit tongue-in-cheek in challenging M. Webster on the "localism" thing where WLIB is concerned. In the real world, pretty much everyone in the industry agrees that the current city-of-license rules no longer make any sense, and their execution is farcical in many cases. The big broadcasters aren't trying to change the rules, though, because they've learned over the decades precisely how to make them work in their favor. My hands are not completely clean on that account, either, having earned consulting fees myself for helping broadcasters navigate those rules.

There's an argument to be made that the rules, as ridiculous as they appear on their face, have at least ensured some degree of even distribution of signals across population. Any attempt to revise the rules would almost inevitably allow still more rural and suburban stations to move in even closer to big cities, and I'm pretty sure I'm convinced that's not a good thing. And if nothing else, the rules, while exceedingly arcane, are administered fairly and equitably. Anyone who learns how to play the game has a shot at winning the game. That, too, is a pretty good thing.

The rules that do need to be brought into the 21st century are the public file rules, which have turned into a fine-extraction tool for the FCC without any real benefit to the public.

Getting back to my original point, though, there's no evidence to suggest to me that WLIB isn't playing by the rules as they now exist, and until and unless those rules are changed, I don't think WLIB can reasonably be held to any expectation that it perform at a higher standard than any other radio station.

And that said, I do agree with the next point:

> > WLIB should have at least a local morning show (buh bye to
> > Jerry Springer who is not doing us any favors on radio).

One wonders how Jerry's show would have been perceived if he'd arrived at it without all the tabloid TV baggage. In any event, yes, a local show or two on WLIB would be a good thing, not because WLIB is required to do so, but simply because New York is New York, and it's never been a market that's been friendly to national hosts, even ones originating right in the city. The libtalk stations that have done best, in my experience, have been the ones with a strong local show holding up the tent - KLSD, KPOJ, KKZN, etc. But it's a matter of voluntary programming decisions, not any sort of requirement that there be something local.

> PS: Have you been able to listen to Buffalo's competing PT
> stations where you are? Any reactions, especially to the
> local shows?

Leslie Marshall is OK on KB. I listened the first few days and haven't really come back to it at all. I finally had the chance to hear WHLD when I was in Buffalo a few weeks ago. The midday show I heard was dreadful - not just preaching to the choir, but preaching to one tiny corner of the choir loft. No entertainment value at all. I hope Ray Marks' morning show is better. (I didn't get to hear that.) <P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Today, I am a doctrine!

> In any event, yes, a local show or two on WLIB would be a good
> thing, not because WLIB is required to do so, but simply
> because New York is New York, and it's never been a market
> that's been friendly to national hosts, even ones
> originating right in the city.

Despite my earlier comments about some of WLIB's talent being local or "local sounding" (heh), I've always thought that when they retooled "Morning Sedition", they should have turned it into a New York-centric morning show...if not New York only.

I'm not sure a Mark Riley would be my choice (despite his experience both in the market and on the station itself as a local host back in the day), but they should have done *something* to make morning drive local on 1190.

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Re: Today, I am a doctrine!

Maybe we should have a ceremony: The Bar Fybush. "Today I am a doctrine."

Seriously folks, my original statement was a criticism of WLIB in an area where I thought they could and should be better (localism). I did not mean to suggest they were not living up to current FCC regs. That I said, IMHO radio was a lot better (in many ways, not all) under the old rules. I think satellite programming, syndication, automation and voice tracking has improved the on-air product for small and medium market stations, rim-shots, suburban stations and urban class IVs, although radio no longer has the farm system it had when Scott (and a lot of us) first walked through the door at stations like WCAP. But stations with good signals in the top 50 markets who operate with little or no local presence are schlockmeisters more than broadcasters.
 
Oy!

>> Today, I am a doctrine!

So the soon-to-be-a-man gets all nervous over "the speech" and fixates on
the traditional gift (at the time); a fine writing implement.

He stands before the throng, all serious, and proclaims.....

"Today, I am a fountain pen!"

Reminds me so much of my (and of so many others) youngest days in radio;
all nervous, scared, and fearful of what would actually come outta my
mouth when I opened the mic. Almost never exactly was intended. Was
you dere, Scottie?

Think of me at NAB....maybe by '07 I'll be settled into the new house/town and
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Re: Oy!

> Reminds me so much of my (and of so many others) youngest
> days in radio; all nervous, scared, and fearful of what would actually come
> outta my mouth when I opened the mic. Almost never exactly was
> intended. Was you dere, Scottie?

I vas dere, Cholly. Still have the tapes somewhere, too. Don't expect to hear them any time soon, though :)

> Think of me at NAB....maybe by '07 I'll be settled into the
> new house/town and free to hit the buffets with you.

Good deal! Hope I see the rest of your colleagues in Vegas in the meantime...and it's not my fault that you're missing NAB the one year they actually invited me to present a short talk on "Tower Sites I've Known and Photographed."

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