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I've never considered the Bay Area as being "Sunbelt",

David was responding to a comment about L.A., not the Bay Area.


and if you go with that definition, I don't think there's any All-News station that's been a true ratings winner in its market. But looking at SFBA and north, there are a bunch: NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Philly, WashDC, Boston, even for a while Seattle. I'm not saying KNX or KFWB were failures, but definitely not the equivalent of WINS, WCBS, WBBM, WTOP, WBZ, KYW, etc. It's an interesting dichotomy, the better the weather, the less interested the listener base has seemed to be on staying on top of the news.

It depends how far back you want to go. In its first year as all-news, in the Fall, 1968 book, KFWB was 2nd with an 11.0 (KHJ was #1 with a 13.0). All through the 1970s, with the exception of Fall '75, either KFWB, KNX or both stations were reliably Top 5, sometimes as high as third.
 
... I'm not saying KNX or KFWB were failures, but definitely not the equivalent of WINS, WCBS, WBBM, WTOP, WBZ, KYW, etc. It's an interesting dichotomy, the better the weather, the less interested the listener base has seemed to be on staying on top of the news.
In Boston there was a Westinghouse and a CBS O&O togeather for years . WEEI/590 did mostly network radio and music thru the 1960's. Then news/talk. From early '70's WEEI 590 remained more or less the same until CBS sold it about 1983, then all-news sports mostly, (83-94). WBZ was MOR/Chicken Rock during days and talk during nights into the '80's. Later it programmed news during days and talk during nighttime. It may still under iHeart. I don't think Boston ever had a 24-hr all-newser.

Like S.F. Boston is a tech center, but it's more bio-research oriented, some defense and a university mecca, a cold-weather city, but local interest there is more in sports than news. Boston is a very huge business and financial center, too much in the shadow of New York.

S.F. and D.C. are unusal in that many people in both places are a bit different demographically. D.C., a company town has a huge inward revenue flow and livelihoods dependent on the latest news from one minute to the next. And then S.F.,is a brainy, creative tech mecca. So those two towns are good for all-news stations.
 
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I've never considered the Bay Area as being "Sunbelt",
Does it snow there... or in Fresno or Sacramento?

Extreme weather is a definite attraction or cume magnet for all news. That is one part of its failure in the Sunbelt.
and if you go with that definition, I don't think there's any All-News station that's been a true ratings winner in its market.
But looking at SFBA and north, there are a bunch: NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Philly, WashDC, Boston, even for a while Seattle. I'm not saying KNX or KFWB were failures, but definitely not the equivalent of WINS, WCBS, WBBM, WTOP, WBZ, KYW, etc.
WBZ is news/talk. Part of the day is all news, rest is classified as talk.
It's an interesting dichotomy, the better the weather, the less interested the listener base has seemed to be on staying on top of the news.
I've been "in charge" of two all-news stations in Puerto Rico and consulted one in Argentina. None were in places where weather was a significant part of programming. Currently, the last one I was involved with in Puerto Rico is in the top 2 in ratings in its market. And so is the 100,000 watt one on 710 in Argentina.
 
Until the trust, both stations were generally within a point of each other in the ratings, with the lead trading back and forth. Sometimes it was a virtual tie. Both had 4 shares through 1980, slid into the 3s by 1981, and did 2s from 1991 on.
Thank you Mr. Hagerty. I didn't know how close the two ranked in the ratings. I guess I allowed my personal preference to sneak in somewhere.
 
I was streaming KNX for a while yesterday to hear local coverage (I am on the east coast) and was surprised to hear former NYC/Philly (now Baltimore) meteorologist Steve Sosna discussing tropical storms on KNX. But I guess they wanted to talk to someone whose had experience forecasting and reporting on those types of storms.
 
Back then (even 2001) the internet wasn't as pervasive as now yet New York of course had a much bigger appetite for news radio than L.A. Yet L.A. had two of the best stations doing all news for years and years when competition was much more of a factor and there was no internet. KNX was more in-depth and KFWB headlines, and a good WINS clone too. That's how I remember the two distinguishing themselves.
I remember Bob McCormack who worked as a very good business reporter at both stations. For years he had I believe a 2 hour business show on KFWB. I think he was laid off after KFWB changed formats.
 
I remember Bob McCormack who worked as a very good business reporter at both stations. For years he had I believe a 2 hour business show on KFWB. I think he was laid off after KFWB changed formats.

For 8 or 9 years before he went to L.A. Bob was a news anchor/reporter at KFRC.
 
David was responding to a comment about L.A., not the Bay Area.




It depends how far back you want to go. In its first year as all-news, in the Fall, 1968 book, KFWB was 2nd with an 11.0 (KHJ was #1 with a 13.0). All through the 1970s, with the exception of Fall '75, either KFWB, KNX or both stations were reliably Top 5, sometimes as high as third.
I could have worded that better. (And in fact I did. Then I made a few edits and managed to make it less clear. Sorry about that, but you got my point anyway.) If you consider the SFBA to not be a true Sunbelt major market (in spite of the lack of snow), the markets where all-news stations do well tend not to be in the Sunbelt. I was aware David, Andy, you, everyone was discussing the L.A. market, and more specifically KNX and KFWB. I was trying to make a broader point.
 
I just saw a video of a press conference with the mayor of Lahaina and the most prominent microphone in front of the mayor was... KFI!

An LA station has a reporter in Hawai'i covering the tragedy.
 
I just saw a video of a press conference with the mayor of Lahaina and the most prominent microphone in front of the mayor was... KFI!

An LA station has a reporter in Hawai'i covering the tragedy.
I can understand that only if IHeart doesn’t have a news operation of their own in Hawaii. When deadly tornados hit my market a few years ago, there were several reporters from Dallas from different O&O stations there. I guess, companies rather get their own content rather than pay someone else for theirs? But, a plane ticket to Hawaii is expensive enough as it is. I can’t imagine how much it cost to send someone over there last minute
 
I can understand that only if IHeart doesn’t have a news operation of their own in Hawaii. When deadly tornados hit my market a few years ago, there were several reporters from Dallas from different O&O stations there. I guess, companies rather get their own content rather than pay someone else for theirs? But, a plane ticket to Hawaii is expensive enough as it is. I can’t imagine how much it cost to send someone over there last minute
There are standby and advance round trips from LAX to Honolulu for less than $300. A night at a hotel will be more than that.

KFI bills over $2.5 million a month. They can afford the plane fare and accommodations.

Of course, iHeart has a huge cluster in Honolulu which has 44% of all that market's revenue. They could have FedExed a mike flag to them and had one of the KSSK news staffers clip it on a mike before flying to Maui to do the reports.

Either way, they got boots on the ground at the news source.
 
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I just saw a video of a press conference with the mayor of Lahaina and the most prominent microphone in front of the mayor was... KFI!

An LA station has a reporter in Hawai'i covering the tragedy.
Steve Gregory was there all last week on Maui reporting live and doing reports for KFI. He was asking the tough questions and even got into it with the governor of Hawaii. The local Hawaii reporters don’t want to ruffle too many feathers so it’s good to have some of the “mainlanders” there to ask the tough questions because the Hawaiian government is definitely trying to cover things up. Steve Gregory is a top notch reporter!
 
That is my recollection. What I don't remember was when the started the simulcast. As I have mentioned before, I was on a taking-off plane at LAX when the airport was shut down. The plane aborted, and we went to the gate and were herded out of the airport. Back in my car, I went to KFWB and they were well into full coverage and it was from their newsroom at that time.

About an hour later I got to Glendale and became more concerned with KLVE-KRCD-KSCA-KTNQ. We were taking feeds from WADO in New York, which then still had an actual news department.
Correct, while owned by the same company, KNX was the "CBS" station in the market and KFWB was not. At KFWB we were in full local coverage from the beginning. The only "corporate" advantage we had is I could dial in (ISDN) to WCBS and WINS and we would clip and rebroadcast or even take some portions live. There were so many LA angles to the story - and we had the resources and expertise to cover the story well without yielding to a network. We always saw the lack of a formal network affiliation as an advantage to KFWB as we could always be covering the story we thought was of the greatest interest to the LA audience. Anyone who has been a west coast network affiliate knows how clueless and unresponsive network desks in New York can be.
 
Correct, while owned by the same company, KNX was the "CBS" station in the market and KFWB was not. At KFWB we were in full local coverage from the beginning. The only "corporate" advantage we had is I could dial in (ISDN) to WCBS and WINS and we would clip and rebroadcast or even take some portions live. There were so many LA angles to the story - and we had the resources and expertise to cover the story well without yielding to a network. We always saw the lack of a formal network affiliation as an advantage to KFWB as we could always be covering the story we thought was of the greatest interest to the LA audience. Anyone who has been a west coast network affiliate knows how clueless and unresponsive network desks in New York can be.
I didn’t realize you were on Kfwb. But, y’all did amazing work there, and usually preferred 980 over knx. I wish Kfwb was around in some form. I even liked the Hollywood-centric format and Angels baseball broadcasts from 2009(?). Were you around for The Beast?
 
I thought CBS tried to delay that spin-off as best they could in the hope that the caps would be raised as they wanted CBS Sports on KFWB. I suppose that the trustee technically had to approve the format flip to CBS sports talk in 2014, but whose idea was it to go CBS sports after five years (2009) as a mixed news and syndicated talker?
It would probably help to have a little background.

CBS bought KCAL in 2002. Behind the scenes, the ownership limit was always a concern and it was pretty clear "the odd man out" would be KFWB. (Of the seven stations, the FMs were considered too valuable to give up, leaving it as a "no choice between KNX and KFWB.) That said, senior management had a fondness (Westinghouse background) for KFWB and hoped the government could be influenced to further loosen ownership limits.

Some groundwork began at this time towards putting the station in a trust. I believe a trustee was named and there was even a year or two when we would get our year-end tax statements under the name of a different entity (that I've forgotten) but the trust never materialized.

It wasn't until Obama was elected in 2008 that hopes dimmed for any sort of regulatory relaxation during a Democratic administration. There were clear discussions at this time that KFWB would be the station to go. This realization impacted many decisions that were to come. (Interestingly, when PPM came out in 2008, KFWB actually beat KNX in the first two reports, though KNX was underperforming and neither station was in the top ten.)

In January 2009, I came back as PD of both KFWB and KNX after a 4-month Roy Laughlin-induced "absence." By now Roy was gone and during my absence paid programming had been put on KFWB weekends. We tried briefly to keep the news format with a focus on the entertainment industry.

In September, we had an opportunity to go news/talk when Dr. Laura became available. (We had rejected talk in the past thinking only second or third tier syndicated talent was available.) We switched to news/talk (local news blocks morning and afternoon and talk the rest of the day.) I was able to take a good number of KFWB reporters and anchors to KNX. I kept KFWB anchors for hourly updates, and for the two news blocks. There were editors, desk assistants and board operators, The KNX reporters filed for KFWB. Unfortunately, the staff that didn't move or stay behind was laid off.

KFWB was run pretty lean, certainly compared to KNX. Pressure finally mounted for CBS to comply with the limit and put the station into a trust. It entered the trust in 2011. I was one of handful of people who reported to two bosses, one for KNX and one for KFWB. And my KNX/CBS boss could not, in any way, influence the decisions being made for KFWB.

Considering the point of the trust was to find a new owner and sell the station, I was pleasantly surprised the trustee allowed us to keep local programming (jobs) instead of just slapping on an a cheap syndicated format until the station could be sold. (I actually heard CBS, who still had to pay the bills, was more than little unhappy about how much money was spent to run KFWB.) I tried to keep as many people as I could employed and keep the station going with ever-dwindling resources. The trustee made the decision to go all sports in August 2014.

I wasn't around for much of that, as I was out at the end of September. However, I was told "The Beast" was going to cost as much (if not more) than the previous format. I saw a group of people work very hard on a station that never really got going and was never going to be attractive to the ownership likely to buy the station. The first owner put on some sort of a "Bollywood" format. It was later sold to Lotus Communications whose "ranchera" format keeps creeping up in the ratings - I'm happy to see the historic call letters thriving.
 
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