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HV SPRING BOOK '09- THOUGHTS??

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oldies4ever

Interesting book this time!! Thoughts-PDH blew em all away with a 9.5; wrwd up slightly with a 5.3 but the Wolf is better than its ever been with a 2.4- will the wolf be a formidable threat to wrwd??? Possibly the yankees coverage brought em up. Randy turner's personal jukebox in the bowels of the dumper at 1.2....hmm......

thoughts and comments???

oldies4ever ;D
 
These threads every time a "book" comes out crack me up. Let's review some basics here. These public 12+ numbers aren't what they look like. In fact they really are completely useless especially for markets over 100. What is listed that you read on R-I, R-O, the old R-R and Arbitron for say Sp 09 is really a two book rolling average. So that PDH 9.5 is really Fall08 + Spring09 / 2 = 9.5. Why? Good question. Noone knows. Arbitron says this is how it works. Essentially even they admit the numbers from individual book to individual book vary too much to be very accurate hence the average. Undersampling? Different placement of diaries every time? different return rates? Anyone's guess.

Point being, don't take too much from this overlywatered down survey unless you have actual access to real breakdowns. Even then, you're hairsplitting. Over a long term your only real takeaway is yea, between NYC and Albany, WSPK, WPDH, WHUD and to a little lesser extent maybe RRV/RRB own these two markets. (PK and N-M)
 
After months of trouble, WPDH is still beating WBPM, this is a one on one situation for making the classic rock station after all these years. Randy Turnip's own station WBPM went from 2.2 down to 1.2 is going nowhere, but the "Music Blimp" sounds good and then dropping Kid Kelly's "Backtrax USA" and the "Rockin' 80's" on a weekend basis. I guess the problem is that WBPM should sound a lot like the former WRKW when it was on 92.9 going back to the last 10 years when it was a rock station called "Quality Rock" from 1999 until 2003. WBPM would be the next WRKW, but I hope they should change the call letters someday and move the WBPM calls back to 94.3 and bringing back Top 40 since the station hasn't done since 10 years ago back in 1999 when the station flipped to Jammin' Oldies. I remember "B94" was a great station during the Top 40/CHR period back in the 90's, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Let WBPM do it and change the moniker of the station and don't call it "Classic Hits 92.9" anymore, I guess the station should be called "Classic Rock 92.9" and play Metallica, Guns & Roses, The Rolling Stones and others.

Look what happened to 95.7? They are still running WPLJ's HD2 under Scott Shannon's "True Oldies" and I hope they will bring in a number of listeners after the fallout of the former "Cool 92.9" back in 2007. I wish that this station can go up to 1 kw, and it will stretch through parts of Kingston and some out lying areas to get WPLJ's HD2 station on 95.7. I hope Kingston and Saugerties needs another translator to put "True Oldies" channel on any frequency. This would bring a few listeners to hear oldies on 95.7 and I hope the station will get some ratings someday.

WBPM is continue to hurt WPDH but it sounded almost like a classic rock station than New York's WAXQ's "Q104.3" playing the same music than WBPM does now.

I forgot to mentioned that WABC pulled the plug on the "Saturday Night Oldies" show, that was disappointed, but it changed to what is now called "Saturday Night" with Mark Simone. WKIP, which is a talk station is beating WGHQ, WBNR and WLNA when it flipped from Citadel's "Timeless Favorites" to a talk station back in April or May along with 12 hours of nothing but sports on Fox Sports Radio, but it is owned by Cheap Channel, I guess Pamal did the right thing to put CC's Fox Sports Radio on any of the three stations, but it sounds better than ESPN Radio, but I will try Fox Sports Radio which is a great sports station. It runs from 5 PM until 6 AM. Fox Sports Radio is part of Cheap Channel's network.

To get back to the list, "The Wolf" is a better station than WRWD along with the Yankee games on FM, it sounds a lot better than the one you hear on WCBS-FM HD3 on 101.1 where they carried Yankee games where "The Wolf" is now doing the same with HD3. Along with Yankees came Jets football on "The Wolf" where they played it every fall during the football season if you are a Jets fan.

There you go, there's my rant!
 
AVERAGE JOE-The book is what it is, an unfair sampling of radio. But, as Rob Dyson once told me, it's the thermometer of radio. It's the pulse. It's what you take to the advertisers. Most everyone near the top is #1 at one time or another. I have my opinions, and you have yours. Sounds like you have too much time on your hands.

DISNEY- your rants are making less and less sense everytime you post.
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I should have known better than to try to get some intelligent dialogue going on this board....why did I bother???

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easy oldy. dyson is right. it will be interesting to see how the ratings will fare long term, especially in the money demo's, not 12+ everybody is #1 in some daypart/demo. it has confused advertisers at times when you have slick salespeople. but i presume those salespeople have been eliminated now, or are being watched.
disney why not just start your own translator with oldies on it? you can put it on in kingston with true oldies.
 
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easy oldy. dyson is right. it will be interesting to see how the ratings will fare long term, especially in the money demo's, not 12+ everybody is #1 in some daypart/demo. it has confused advertisers at times when you have slick salespeople. but i presume those salespeople have been eliminated now, or are being watched.
disney why not just start your own translator with oldies on it? you can put it on in kingston with true oldies.
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Good idea! Or if not, maybe they will put it in HD, if you look very carefully, all of their stations except CC Hudson Valley hasn't gone HD yet, only one HD station is WPDH, that's it! I don't see any HV stations hasn't gone to HD anytime soon, but I don't see it happening!
 
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only one HD station is WPDH, that's it! I don't see any HV stations hasn't gone to HD anytime soon, but I don't see it happening!
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Wrong. 91.7 WOSR (NPR) and WGNY-FM are also in HD.
 
Or maybe if WBPMis still continue not doing well, why not flip to a dance station like "Pulse 87" associated with the call letters "Beats Per Minute". 

Now look what happened to WCBS-FM in New York City, it does really well in the PPM ratings and it is the #2 station in NYC. CBS-FM played the right music, the right songs and the right format, as for WBPM as I was mentioned was playing the wrong music. I hope Randy Turnip is doing pretty well with the "Music Blimp", but if I'm a country music fan, I stopped listening to the "Music Blimp" for now, because they play too much new wave and alternative rock, just like WDST. WBPM should be the next "Jack-FM", and they should not be calling it "Classic Hits" anymore, call it "Jack" and put Howard Cogan in to do liners and say "92.9 Jack-FM: Playing What We Want".

Just kidding. Here something we can do to WBPM, play the right songs, the right hits and some of it, don't play any of these rock hits that doesn't fit the overall sound like WPDH, play a bunch of Motown, R&B and soul that it will fit the format and bingo! Just like CBS-FM did which is doing pretty well, and then it will gain some ratings in the next Fall book.

WBPM would sound a lot like an AOR station like WNEW-FM and the former WBCN in Boston. Remember WRKW? It was a classic rock station when it was 92.9 when it first signed on back in 1999, that was 10 years ago when it was "Quality Rock". And now, 10 years later, it does the same thing as WRKW did. I hope that October 22nd will be the 10-year anniversary of the station signs on the air at 92.9 as a classic rock staton as WRKW. I'll have to keep you posted very soon probably this October.
 
Hallelujah!!!! No more "Music Blimp". You know why? Because they played too much new wave and alternative rock stuff as well as some early 90's songs that doesn't fit the sound of the show. Same thing with CBS-FM where they got rid of the "Radio Greats" show on Sundays replaced with Dick Bartley.
 
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