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I am dissapointed in KYSR-2

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Radiogeek500

It is the same stuff as KYSR, basically KROQ oldies aka New Wave and Classic Modern Rock with Bryan Adams, John Mellencamp and Def Lepeard thrown in to make people think it has variety.

I'm not even sure KM would like this station as it does air a few of the Mainstream tracks like Cuts Like A Knife, Pour Some Sugar on Me, etc etc.<P ID="signature">______________
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> It is the same stuff as KYSR, basically KROQ oldies aka New
> Wave and Classic Modern Rock with Bryan Adams, John
> Mellencamp and Def Lepeard thrown in to make people think it
> has variety.
>
> I'm not even sure KM would like this station as it does air
> a few of the Mainstream tracks like Cuts Like A Knife, Pour
> Some Sugar on Me, etc etc.

You're likely right, Josh. While I would like a Classic New Wave/Modern Rock/Alternative station, there is a risk that by including mainstream Classic Rock and Classic Metal in the mix there will be listeners who are turned off.

If I was going to broaden the mix, I would be doing one of two things ... either add the Dance Pop hits (artists like Madonna, Jody Watley, Bobby Brown, Whitney Houston, etc.) or I would be going deeper into the tracks by the core KROQ 80's artists.

I'll give you a simple example of an artist which I would think KYSR-2 is already playing: Tears for Fears. The obvious songs they <u>must</u> be playing are "Everybody Wants to Rule the World", "Shout" and "Head Over Heels". But I would also play "Change", "Mothers Talk", "Woman in Chains" (all three charted on the Hot 100 but not top 5), "Sowing the Seeds of Love" (#2 in 1989 on the Hot 100 and a #1 Modern Rock, but rarely played anymore), "Mad World" and "Pale Shelter" (both of which did not chart but made the year-end KROQ listener surveys). I'm not saying those six added tracks would play often, but as part of an accent category dropped in to the rotation, those sort of additions could give the kind of depth that HD-2 programming is going to need in order to attract listeners.

I see the "mission" of HD-2 as creating programming that will attract the same type of person who might be looking at satellite radio. My rationale for that view is that both HD-2 and satellite require an investment in equipment by the listener. Just playing the same songs that you can hear on Star or KLOS isn't going to attract them.<P ID="signature">______________


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> > It is the same stuff as KYSR, basically KROQ oldies aka
> New
> > Wave and Classic Modern Rock with Bryan Adams, John
> > Mellencamp and Def Lepeard thrown in to make people think
> it
> > has variety.
> >
> > I'm not even sure KM would like this station as it does
> air
> > a few of the Mainstream tracks like Cuts Like A Knife,
> Pour
> > Some Sugar on Me, etc etc.
>
> You're likely right, Josh. While I would like a Classic New
> Wave/Modern Rock/Alternative station, there is a risk that
> by including mainstream Classic Rock and Classic Metal in
> the mix there will be listeners who are turned off.
>
> If I was going to broaden the mix, I would be doing one of
> two things ... either add the Dance Pop hits (artists like
> Madonna, Jody Watley, Bobby Brown, Whitney Houston, etc.) or
> I would be going deeper into the tracks by the core KROQ
> 80's artists.
>
> I'll give you a simple example of an artist which I would
> think KYSR-2 is already playing: Tears for Fears. The
> obvious songs they must be playing are "Everybody Wants to
> Rule the World", "Shout" and "Head Over Heels". But I would
> also play "Change", "Mothers Talk", "Woman in Chains" (all
> three charted on the Hot 100 but not top 5), "Sowing the
> Seeds of Love" (#2 in 1989 on the Hot 100 and a #1 Modern
> Rock, but rarely played anymore), "Mad World" and "Pale
> Shelter" (both of which did not chart but made the year-end
> KROQ listener surveys). I'm not saying those six added
> tracks would play often, but as part of an accent category
> dropped in to the rotation, those sort of additions could
> give the kind of depth that HD-2 programming is going to
> need in order to attract listeners.
>
> I see the "mission" of HD-2 as creating programming that
> will attract the same type of person who might be looking at
> satellite radio. My rationale for that view is that both
> HD-2 and satellite require an investment in equipment by the
> listener. Just playing the same songs that you can hear on
> Star or KLOS isn't going to attract them.
>

Might as well throw in "Advice For The Young Of Heart". "Laid So Low" and "Break It Down Again". But who's listening anyway.
 
> > I'll give you a simple example of an artist which I would
> > think KYSR-2 is already playing: Tears for Fears. The
> > obvious songs they must be playing are "Everybody Wants to
> > Rule the World", "Shout" and "Head Over Heels". But I would
> > also play "Change", "Mothers Talk", "Woman in Chains" (all
> > three charted on the Hot 100 but not top 5), "Sowing the
> > Seeds of Love" (#2 in 1989 on the Hot 100 and a #1 Modern
> > Rock, but rarely played anymore), "Mad World" and "Pale
> > Shelter" (both of which did not chart but made the year-end
> > KROQ listener surveys). I'm not saying those six added
> > tracks would play often, but as part of an accent category
> > dropped in to the rotation, those sort of additions could
> > give the kind of depth that HD-2 programming is going to
> > need in order to attract listeners.

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> Might as well throw in "Advice For The Young Of Heart".
> "Laid So Low" and "Break It Down Again". But who's
> listening anyway.

But you do get my point, although I would be cautious about putting 90s titles on a format promoting itself as "80s". But, with the right imaging (call it "Retro" instead of "80s", perhaps?), those songs are just as valid.

As for "who's listening" ... if HD-2 doesn't do its programming right, there will indeed be no incentive for anyone to listen.<P ID="signature">______________


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> > It is the same stuff as KYSR, basically KROQ oldies aka
> New
> > Wave and Classic Modern Rock with Bryan Adams, John
> > Mellencamp and Def Lepeard thrown in to make people think
> it
> > has variety.
> >
> > I'm not even sure KM would like this station as it does
> air
> > a few of the Mainstream tracks like Cuts Like A Knife,
> Pour
> > Some Sugar on Me, etc etc.
>
> You're likely right, Josh. While I would like a Classic New
> Wave/Modern Rock/Alternative station, there is a risk that
> by including mainstream Classic Rock and Classic Metal in
> the mix there will be listeners who are turned off.
>
> If I was going to broaden the mix, I would be doing one of
> two things ... either add the Dance Pop hits (artists like
> Madonna, Jody Watley, Bobby Brown, Whitney Houston, etc.) or
> I would be going deeper into the tracks by the core KROQ
> 80's artists.
>
> I'll give you a simple example of an artist which I would
> think KYSR-2 is already playing: Tears for Fears. The
> obvious songs they must be playing are "Everybody Wants to
> Rule the World", "Shout" and "Head Over Heels". But I would
> also play "Change", "Mothers Talk", "Woman in Chains" (all
> three charted on the Hot 100 but not top 5), "Sowing the
> Seeds of Love" (#2 in 1989 on the Hot 100 and a #1 Modern
> Rock, but rarely played anymore), "Mad World" and "Pale
> Shelter" (both of which did not chart but made the year-end
> KROQ listener surveys). I'm not saying those six added
> tracks would play often, but as part of an accent category
> dropped in to the rotation, those sort of additions could
> give the kind of depth that HD-2 programming is going to
> need in order to attract listeners.
>
> I see the "mission" of HD-2 as creating programming that
> will attract the same type of person who might be looking at
> satellite radio. My rationale for that view is that both
> HD-2 and satellite require an investment in equipment by the
> listener. Just playing the same songs that you can hear on
> Star or KLOS isn't going to attract them.
>
Sirius "First Wave" will give you just what you're looking for. Sounds just like KROQ circa 1985, complete with Richard Blade (minus commercials). I'm listening to it right now and the "Oh Wow!" factor is in full effect.

PS-before I am misinterpreted, this is not a slam at HD/terrestrial radio, meerly an observation. Carry on.
 
> Sirius "First Wave" will give you just what you're looking
> for. Sounds just like KROQ circa 1985, complete with Richard
> Blade (minus commercials). I'm listening to it right now and
> the "Oh Wow!" factor is in full effect.
>
> PS-before I am misinterpreted, this is not a slam at
> HD/terrestrial radio, meerly an observation. Carry on.

No misinterpretation at all. Your observation makes my point about HD-2 needing to create programming that is satellite radio-like in order to be attractive.

Both HD-2 and satellite require special equipment to receive the programming. If HD-2 provides some of the same programming types (although it would be impossible, given the spectrum limitations, to completely be duplicative), there are going to be people who will pay the one-time equipment cost but choose HD-2 just because there is no monthly service fee.

Your example in response to my example was right on the mark. <P ID="signature">______________


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> > > I'll give you a simple example of an artist which I
> would
> > > think KYSR-2 is already playing: Tears for Fears. The
> > > obvious songs they must be playing are "Everybody Wants
> to
> > > Rule the World", "Shout" and "Head Over Heels". But I
> would
> > > also play "Change", "Mothers Talk", "Woman in Chains"
> (all
> > > three charted on the Hot 100 but not top 5), "Sowing the
>
> > > Seeds of Love" (#2 in 1989 on the Hot 100 and a #1
> Modern
> > > Rock, but rarely played anymore), "Mad World" and "Pale
> > > Shelter" (both of which did not chart but made the
> year-end
> > > KROQ listener surveys). I'm not saying those six added
> > > tracks would play often, but as part of an accent
> category
> > > dropped in to the rotation, those sort of additions
> could
> > > give the kind of depth that HD-2 programming is going to
>
> > > need in order to attract listeners.
>
> [edit]
>
> > Might as well throw in "Advice For The Young Of Heart".
> > "Laid So Low" and "Break It Down Again". But who's
> > listening anyway.
>
> But you do get my point, although I would be cautious about
> putting 90s titles on a format promoting itself as "80s".
> But, with the right imaging (call it "Retro" instead of
> "80s", perhaps?), those songs are just as valid.
>
> As for "who's listening" ... if HD-2 doesn't do its
> programming right, there will indeed be no incentive for
> anyone to listen.
>

I agree with you completely. In fact, it might be a move for KYSR to consider itself. Something needs to move the needle forward HOT AC wise.
 
Re: Broad Based 80s is exactly what I want!

> You're likely right, Josh. While I would like a Classic New
> Wave/Modern Rock/Alternative station, there is a risk that
> by including mainstream Classic Rock and Classic Metal in
> the mix there will be listeners who are turned off.
>
> If I was going to broaden the mix, I would be doing one of
> two things ... either add the Dance Pop hits (artists like
> Madonna, Jody Watley, Bobby Brown, Whitney Houston, etc.)


Exactly what I had in mind KM! A mixture would look like this


Culture Club Miss Me Blind
Journey Who's crying Now
Rick Astley Never Gonna Give You up
John Mellencamp Jack and Diane
Bobby Brown On Our Own
Power Station Some Like It Hot
Madonna Boderline
Def Lepard Pour Some Sugar On Me
Chaka Kahn I feel for You
Cars Drive
Expose Point of No Return
Prince Kiss
Hooters And We Danced
Tone Loc Wild Thang
Police Every Breath You Take


That's a sample of a 80s station I would like.
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> It is the same stuff as KYSR, basically KROQ oldies aka New
> Wave and Classic Modern Rock with Bryan Adams, John
> Mellencamp and Def Lepeard thrown in to make people think it
> has variety.
>
> I'm not even sure KM would like this station as it does air
> a few of the Mainstream tracks like Cuts Like A Knife, Pour
> Some Sugar on Me, etc etc.
>

This station once, a long long time ago actually sounded pretty good... Now that Clear Channel has hold of this one along with KIIS and KBIG, the chances of any of the 3 stations sounding even remotely good anytime soon is slim and none. :(

Star, once a station that broke new music is now afraid of it. They JUST added James Blunt (5 months after WPLJ) last week and Rob Thomas' "Ever The Same" this week. They have only about 10 currents on their playlist!!! It's the WORST sounding Hot AC in the nation IMHO at the moment.

It's so bad now that I'm pretty much boycotting this station and the other 2 CC stations mentioned... only listening to CURRENT stuff... If I want to listen to 80's stuff, there is JACK... All of the recurrent stuff they play I can find on KBBY, KFYV and KRUZ, and of course all 3 of these Hot AC's play A TON of current stuff... In other words, I have little use for the KYSR in it's current form.
 
In other words, I have little
> use for the KYSR in it's current form.
>

Uh you know, don't you this thread is about the HD-2 version of KYSR right??
 
> In other words, I have little
> > use for the KYSR in it's current form.
> >
>
> Uh you know, don't you this thread is about the HD-2 version
> of KYSR right??
>

I didn't realize that until now... sorry!
 
Would it really make that much difference? I bet his sentiments would be the same.

Taking the same crappy product and putting it in bright new packaging doesn't change the product.


> Uh you know, don't you this thread is about the HD-2 version
> of KYSR right??
>
> In other words, I have little
> > use for the KYSR in it's current form.
> >
>
 
> > In other words, I have little
> > > use for the KYSR in it's current form.
> > >
> >
> > Uh you know, don't you this thread is about the HD-2
> version
> > of KYSR right??
> >
>
> I didn't realize that until now... sorry!

I will offer the same advice I offer any new person here.

READ the threads before you reply to them. (And read a few pages worth of them before deciding something hasn't been discussed and starting a new thread.)
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