i hate the way that espn radio has changed. it seems that everything has the words sports center in front of it it seems espn radio kisses the nfl's hiney. i wish espn radio would bring back game night. i wish it still had d.p. FOOX SPRTS RADIO ROCKS.
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i can't stand espn radio
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macrinus
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I have taken the hint and shut up lately, since I have no inside (or remotely informed) information to provide. but I MUST have something smarter than this at least once in a while.....gotta love FOOX......good god
None of the three sports networks are that good at all.
ESPN is too overhyped and overblown, and is only focused on the NFL and the Yankees and Red Sox. But that will never change.
Fox comes close on the weekends, and occasionally with Czaben and PMS, but that's it for them. (DP doesn't apply here.) JT and overnights are forgettable. And remember, before their massive layoffs in January, the network was STILL awful. It pailed in comparison to the original lineup that had Bruno AND Kiley and Booms. And I for one am glad that Pat Davis was (FINALLY!) relieved of imaging duties... the overall sound is better now, but it's too little, too late.
SNR is a dead network walking. 'Nuff said.
And that's about it. You could end the thread right now.
ESPN is too overhyped and overblown, and is only focused on the NFL and the Yankees and Red Sox. But that will never change.
Fox comes close on the weekends, and occasionally with Czaben and PMS, but that's it for them. (DP doesn't apply here.) JT and overnights are forgettable. And remember, before their massive layoffs in January, the network was STILL awful. It pailed in comparison to the original lineup that had Bruno AND Kiley and Booms. And I for one am glad that Pat Davis was (FINALLY!) relieved of imaging duties... the overall sound is better now, but it's too little, too late.
SNR is a dead network walking. 'Nuff said.
And that's about it. You could end the thread right now.
Another thread spoke of worst sportscasting blunders.
I believe it was touched upon, but FOX not paying Tony Bruno and letting him go HAS to be a huge blunder. I don't think it's any exageration that if Bruno was still on the air in the mornings for FOX they would be a VERY viable competetor and player in the sports radio game and perhaps that would even relate positive to the FOX Sports TV.
Someone spoke of Van Earl Wright being terrible. I don't go that far. I think he was put in a position to fail, not so much because he had to replace Bruno, but because he was paired with Andrew Sicliano.
Sicliano's role with Bruno was to serve as his foil. Sis was annoying, but there was always Bruno there to put him in his place and to do it in something of a positive way.
When paired with Wright, that was eliminated. They simply were a personality mix of oil and water. Sis was even more annoying and Wright turned out to be less of a personality because of it.
Wright had enough knowledge of NASCAR and college football that I think he could have, if working solo, attracted a lot of heartland affiliates, especially when compared to ESPN's more northeastern feel.
Still, the bottom line here is not to defend Wright, but rather to say FOX SHOULDA PAID BRUNO THE MONEY- AND IF THEY WISH TO REVIVE THEIR SAGGING FORTUNES I WOULD RECOMMEND THEY CALL HIM UP.
Bruno established ESPN Radio in its infacy and also FOX in its early days. No reason he can't do it again.
I believe it was touched upon, but FOX not paying Tony Bruno and letting him go HAS to be a huge blunder. I don't think it's any exageration that if Bruno was still on the air in the mornings for FOX they would be a VERY viable competetor and player in the sports radio game and perhaps that would even relate positive to the FOX Sports TV.
Someone spoke of Van Earl Wright being terrible. I don't go that far. I think he was put in a position to fail, not so much because he had to replace Bruno, but because he was paired with Andrew Sicliano.
Sicliano's role with Bruno was to serve as his foil. Sis was annoying, but there was always Bruno there to put him in his place and to do it in something of a positive way.
When paired with Wright, that was eliminated. They simply were a personality mix of oil and water. Sis was even more annoying and Wright turned out to be less of a personality because of it.
Wright had enough knowledge of NASCAR and college football that I think he could have, if working solo, attracted a lot of heartland affiliates, especially when compared to ESPN's more northeastern feel.
Still, the bottom line here is not to defend Wright, but rather to say FOX SHOULDA PAID BRUNO THE MONEY- AND IF THEY WISH TO REVIVE THEIR SAGGING FORTUNES I WOULD RECOMMEND THEY CALL HIM UP.
Bruno established ESPN Radio in its infacy and also FOX in its early days. No reason he can't do it again.
"Bruno established ESPN Radio in its infacy and also FOX in its early days. No reason he can't do it again. "
In case you didnt know Bruno is on weeknights (solid and fresh as ever) 10pm to 1 am eastern through westwood one syndicated nationally, and can be heard online live (and via podcast) at tonybrunoshow.com. He's also on XM.
In case you didnt know Bruno is on weeknights (solid and fresh as ever) 10pm to 1 am eastern through westwood one syndicated nationally, and can be heard online live (and via podcast) at tonybrunoshow.com. He's also on XM.
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Concur on how bland and homogenized ESPN radio has become because they don't want to pay stars and have no real stars. Mike and Mike only succeed because they've been on for 10 years and ESPN finally got them on in major markets after wasting the first 10 years of their existence ignoring radio while Fox and Sporting News stayed alive.
Fox is a joke and only survives because there are too many Clear Channel stations now being forced to run that garbage after not paying attention to the great shows they had when Bruno was on years ago.
Sporting News remaining on the air may be the greatest mystery of all time. We know they've gutted that toilet and now just re-run 3 or 4 marginal shows, but how can ANY station or advertiser support what they purport to be network programming? Does the ass-clown who runs that place have nake pix of the rednecks who run that joint?
Fox is a joke and only survives because there are too many Clear Channel stations now being forced to run that garbage after not paying attention to the great shows they had when Bruno was on years ago.
Sporting News remaining on the air may be the greatest mystery of all time. We know they've gutted that toilet and now just re-run 3 or 4 marginal shows, but how can ANY station or advertiser support what they purport to be network programming? Does the ass-clown who runs that place have nake pix of the rednecks who run that joint?
i don't like bruno ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Pratte4Life said:
COLIN COWHERE MODE ON:
"But the money is on the coasts. There is no advertising revenue in the 'heartland.' Sorry flyover country, but you don't matter in the big picture. All the money from the advertisers is on the east and west coast, so that's who we cater to.
COLIN COWHERD MODE OFF.
CBS- How disapointing that ESPN runs their network with the mentality used in that old editorial cartoon of "A New Yorkers View of America," with the country consisting of NYC, LA, and everything else was vast wasteland.
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I was a big fan of that Bruno & Andrew S. "Morning Extravaganza" which was the slow decline of FSR when that show left the air.
Man when you really think about it sports radio stinks now.
ESPN radio has turned into crap since I began listening years back.
FSR is like a car trying to run on four flats and JT the Brick driving and Looney in the passenger seat saying "slaving over a hot microphone" man that guy kills me.
SNR is that still on the air? The only show I even listen to is Todd Wright, I think they is because that is the only show still on their network and it goes against JT and Freddie Coleman which by default is the winner there.
Man when you really think about it sports radio stinks now.
ESPN radio has turned into crap since I began listening years back.
FSR is like a car trying to run on four flats and JT the Brick driving and Looney in the passenger seat saying "slaving over a hot microphone" man that guy kills me.
SNR is that still on the air? The only show I even listen to is Todd Wright, I think they is because that is the only show still on their network and it goes against JT and Freddie Coleman which by default is the winner there.
ESPN Radio is okay. It's not as great as it once was. Mike and Mike, Colin Cowherd, Dan Patrick/Obermann, THAT was a great lineup. HUGE personalities, something for everyone.
What ESPN radio doesn't do is pander to people who want to have their ears tickled. Mainly the flyover states. Hey, I live in a flyover state, one of the smaller ones, Arkansas. And we get more crap from the national media about Bobby Petrino, Mitch Mustain, and Houston Nutt than the rest of the flyover states (save maybe Ohio) get combined. But they know how to be interesting. Sporting News is hit and miss... Fox... eh. ESPN is in the money making business, but they aren't corporate when it comes to their premiere talent. Mike Tirico hurts them, because opinions on him go from lukewarm-like to apathetic to seldom care what he has to say. With Cowherd, you either love him or you hate him, but you listen. Because he knows how to make it interesting. He talks about people who "get it" a lot, and that gets people on his side or it gets him under THEIR skin.
You think about the BIGGEST names in general talk radio... Limbaugh, Hannity, Stern, these guys force people to take a stance - one side or the other - on whether or not you like what they have to say, but they don't stop there... they keep going, they get you invested in their opinion, like it or hate it. That's what DP does, that's what Cowherd does. their aren't many others in the country who come even close to attaining this ideality. ESPN once had them both, and now they have just Cowherd.
Do they need a stronger afternoon lineup? Sure. But they are still no.1 in Sports talk radio, and they will be as long as they continue to find and attract the uber talented.
What ESPN radio doesn't do is pander to people who want to have their ears tickled. Mainly the flyover states. Hey, I live in a flyover state, one of the smaller ones, Arkansas. And we get more crap from the national media about Bobby Petrino, Mitch Mustain, and Houston Nutt than the rest of the flyover states (save maybe Ohio) get combined. But they know how to be interesting. Sporting News is hit and miss... Fox... eh. ESPN is in the money making business, but they aren't corporate when it comes to their premiere talent. Mike Tirico hurts them, because opinions on him go from lukewarm-like to apathetic to seldom care what he has to say. With Cowherd, you either love him or you hate him, but you listen. Because he knows how to make it interesting. He talks about people who "get it" a lot, and that gets people on his side or it gets him under THEIR skin.
You think about the BIGGEST names in general talk radio... Limbaugh, Hannity, Stern, these guys force people to take a stance - one side or the other - on whether or not you like what they have to say, but they don't stop there... they keep going, they get you invested in their opinion, like it or hate it. That's what DP does, that's what Cowherd does. their aren't many others in the country who come even close to attaining this ideality. ESPN once had them both, and now they have just Cowherd.
Do they need a stronger afternoon lineup? Sure. But they are still no.1 in Sports talk radio, and they will be as long as they continue to find and attract the uber talented.
I hear what you're saying about Cowherd. Agree with it a lot, too.
But as for "whether you love him or hate him, you listen;" I disagree. I turned off Cowherd months ago and haven't missed him one bit.
Lately my ears have been tuned to Patrick or some local programming I like.
The difference between Patrick and Cowherd is Patrick picks on his staff or himself, whereas Cowherd picks on the audience.
My big thing is I have found ESPN to be almost unwatchable or unlistenable with their self promoting and political slants. Cowherd is perhaps the leading torch bearer for ESPN's self promotion and political slants and geographic bias.
I find him to be the ultimate corporate shill and haven't listened since last fall.
But as for "whether you love him or hate him, you listen;" I disagree. I turned off Cowherd months ago and haven't missed him one bit.
Lately my ears have been tuned to Patrick or some local programming I like.
The difference between Patrick and Cowherd is Patrick picks on his staff or himself, whereas Cowherd picks on the audience.
My big thing is I have found ESPN to be almost unwatchable or unlistenable with their self promoting and political slants. Cowherd is perhaps the leading torch bearer for ESPN's self promotion and political slants and geographic bias.
I find him to be the ultimate corporate shill and haven't listened since last fall.
Pratte4Life said:
Yeah, that is true about the main differences between DP and CC. While Cowherd may not necessarily always pick on one particular caller, he does taunt massive amounts of people all at once, like Ohio State fans.
ESPN's geographical bias has always had a major slant towards baseball, and Cowherd may be the sports biggest critic on ESPN. As far as promoting the SEC... he's done that for years. He's a huge college football guy and and openly admits his USC homerism.
I think that sometimes Cowherd does go overboard with promotions for upcoming ESPN events and slants towards ESPN's programming because he's been in so much trouble with ESPN's ombudsman, whoever it may be at the time. Sometimes it's warranted, other times it isn't. Example, I think he crossed a line when he talked about the death of Sean Taylor. I don't think he should have taken heat for taking Purdue Pete to task. That was just damn good radio.
I do think ESPN as a whole has kept baseball on life-support. If it weren't for the fact that baseball is so big in the Northeast, baseball would be the MLS by now. That is definitely a geographical bias. But ESPN can't help it if the celtics, the patriots, and the redsox are all REALLY good at the same time. Not to mention the Yankees and the Giants. Sure there may be SOME geographical bias in these cases, but I'd say some of it is warranted in these cases.
Disagree totally on baseball. Studies show FSN spends more time devoted to baseball than ESPN.
In fact, I think ESPN stuffs waaaaay too much NBA down our throat, a sport that in "flyover country" doesn't really have much appeal except to the markets with teams.
In fact, I think ESPN stuffs waaaaay too much NBA down our throat, a sport that in "flyover country" doesn't really have much appeal except to the markets with teams.
Pratte4Life said:
The NBA's been pretty exciting this year, and the past few years. It's a very good league, in-spite of it's crazy.
That may or may not be, but in flyover country demographics say it isn't as popular as MLB or NASCAR.
What study? Hell, the better question is, why would anyone waste time doing a study for such a subject in the first place?Pratte4Life said:
There are a lot of NBA teams in 'flyover country', and some of them actually made the playoffs--plus the NBA is a sizeable part of ESPN/ABC's sports content. Why wouldn't they talk about the NBA?Pratte4Life said:
All in all, there are some shows that clearly stand out on a national network level. Mike & Mike and Colin Cowherd are the biggest gems in the ESPN Radio lineup. FSN has a winner in Dan Patrick and J.T. the Brick has been getting it done for years. I don't know if Tim Brando gets much clearance these days, but his national show is fine. And the 2 Live Stews had built a nice following before they signed on with SNR--the sports radio community has needed an injection of their 'hot sauce' (as they put it) for a while now.
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