I don't get it

[musicman3355]

So I was digging back to 2005 in the Nevada boards, and their seems to be a lot of criticism about the Las Vegas market/radio. Why is it so bad? I went to Vegas back in August '09 and the market sounds great! Besides, the market could sound worse... like Boston with their 2 only top 40 stations and the rest that are news/talk/sports.

 

[only1deejayman]

Vegas has some of the worst morning shows IMHO, and I can't believe that the "TALENT" gets paid pretty nicely for the crap they sling out to the airwaves every morning.

Also, the weekend "talent" is something to be desired, liner card reading monkeys, yes, I said it monkeys.

And it doesn't help that 90% of the stations are on digital automation most of the time (KXNT-AM)

Voice Tracking is common, and even the "traffic" updates are terrible, outsourced "shadow" ghosts who think their funny!!

back when I was in radio, it was analog carts, DENON cd players and a board op!!! I had to put on a 5 minute record to run to the bathroom and back.

Now, it's Audio Valut, RCS, or some other digital babysitter, press play and leave.

and it's bad enough that CBS O&O the majority of the "stale" outlets in vegas, MIX, KLUC, XTREME, JACK. KXNT-AM.

most of these jocks are just glad to getting a paycheck for their "Talent" LOL!!

Heck, the engineers should be paid more money, since keeping the stick lit is harder and takes more elbow grease than anything else at the radio station, besides sales staff.

 

[musicman3355]

Vegas has some of the worst morning shows IMHO, and I can't believe that the "TALENT" gets paid pretty nicely for the crap they sling out to the airwaves every morning.

Also, the weekend "talent" is something to be desired, liner card reading monkeys, yes, I said it monkeys.

And it doesn't help that 90% of the stations are on digital automation most of the time (KXNT-AM)

Voice Tracking is common, and even the "traffic" updates are terrible, outsourced "shadow" ghosts who think their funny!!

back when I was in radio, it was analog carts, DENON cd players and a board op!!! I had to put on a 5 minute record to run to the bathroom and back.

Now, it's Audio Valut, RCS, or some other digital babysitter, press play and leave.

and it's bad enough that CBS O&O the majority of the "stale" outlets in vegas, MIX, KLUC, XTREME, JACK. KXNT-AM.

most of these jocks are just glad to getting a paycheck for their "Talent" LOL!!

Heck, the engineers should be paid more money, since keeping the stick lit is harder and takes more elbow grease than anything else at the radio station, besides sales staff.

Well... I sorta agree. The jocks in Vegas aren't as good as the ones here in LA or any other major market. Hell, even the Inland Empire (market #26), which is an LA suburb has better jocks than LV does. The morning shows there are bad though, I checked out 98.5 KLUC's "Chet Buchanan and the Morning Zoo" and I rather hear static than those annoyances. 104.3 Now should've stayed on 102.7 (it was on that frequency when I went to Vegas), the station sounds terrible now. Besides morning shows and the new 104.3, Vegas radio ain't as bad... could've been worse...

 

[Jay F]

I did see the thread on the LA board where LV radio was being praised. That would surprise people here.

Every radio board has had posts saying the market they happen to live has the worst radio in the country. They can't all be the worst! I'm sure in many cases the radio in their market truly does suck yet they overestimate how good it is elsewhere.

 

[Demodave]

I have several friends that live in LA that hate rock radio in market number two. Unless you love KROQ, everything else there is just plain stale. I've heard the weekend jocks on KLOS (other than Bob Coburn) sound like they are just plain bored. Of course, if I was a jock on KLOS, I would be bored too.

As Jay said, every other board on radio-info says that their market sucks. I think that the diversity in formats that Vegas has is better than many other markets.

 

[KFNNradioFan]

The biggest weakness is AM in Vegas - not that many local hosts. How about bringing back the old KDWN crew out of "early retirement" as local hosts - Kirch, Stahl, Basham, Hawkins, Moss, Edwards, Ted-_______? It's too bad that hosts w/ less experience end up keeping their jobs such as Harris and Stock; they are obnoxious and unpleasant to listen to. You'll read that comment on every board, too, the experienced hosts end up getting fired, with younger hosts getting the jobs.

 

[Jay F]

The biggest weakness is AM in Vegas - not that many local hosts. How about bringing back the old KDWN crew out of "early retirement" as local hosts - Kirch, Stahl, Basham, Hawkins, Moss, Edwards, Ted-_______? It's too bad that hosts w/ less experience end up keeping their jobs such as Harris and Stock; they are obnoxious and unpleasant to listen to. You'll read that comment on every board, too, the experienced hosts end up getting fired, with younger hosts getting the jobs.

Harris and Stock would probably be honored being called "younger".

Looking at the first official PPM that came out yesterday you can really see talk radio took a hit.Both KXNT and KDWN went down around 2 full shares diary to PPM. KDWN has a 1.5 which is the lowest since the pre-Beasley era.

One AM station that went way up is sports KWWN. I always had a feeling that station was more popular than the diary system ever indicated.

 

[davideduardo]

Looking at the first official PPM that came out yesterday you can really see talk radio took a hit.Both KXNT and KDWN went down around 2 full shares diary to PPM. KDWN has a 1.5 which is the lowest since the pre-Beasley era.

Many high TSL and low cume stations, whatever the format, suffered as their markets changed to PPM. The PPM reveals how much rounding and lazy filling in went on in the diary!

AM talkers have the disadvantage of not penetrating the under-55 demos well, reducing the cume potential. So they often look poor in PPM. Look at KGO in San Francisco, which is hurt by generally being around 15th or lower in 25-54, while KCBS (with an FM simulcast) went way up as did KQED... FM, and higher cume potential.

 

[joemamma]

One AM station that went way up is sports KWWN. I always had a feeling that station was more popular than the diary system ever indicated.

I actually predicted that in this thread about 6 months ago.....

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=124000.msg1099742#msg1099742

I still think yesterdays number is bad for them and similar ratings will be viewed as a "bad book" for them in the coming years.

 

[Jay F]

One AM station that went way up is sports KWWN. I always had a feeling that station was more popular than the diary system ever indicated.

I actually predicted that in this thread about 6 months ago.....

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=124000.msg1099742#msg1099742

I still think yesterdays number is bad for them and similar ratings will be viewed as a "bad book" for them in the coming years.

Sports has a high power ratio. Even without any numbers the Lotus sports stations seemed to have a lot of clients for AM. With the boost KWWN got in PPM I would guess they have some decent adult male numbers. I don't think this will be seen as bad. Realistically the only way sports could do any better is if it was on FM.

 

[Jay F]

Looking at the first official PPM that came out yesterday you can really see talk radio took a hit.Both KXNT and KDWN went down around 2 full shares diary to PPM. KDWN has a 1.5 which is the lowest since the pre-Beasley era.

Many high TSL and low cume stations, whatever the format, suffered as their markets changed to PPM. The PPM reveals how much rounding and lazy filling in went on in the diary!

AM talkers have the disadvantage of not penetrating the under-55 demos well, reducing the cume potential. So they often look poor in PPM. Look at KGO in San Francisco, which is hurt by generally being around 15th or lower in 25-54, while KCBS (with an FM simulcast) went way up as did KQED... FM, and higher cume potential.

I see not even KXNT made the top 20 25-54. They really need to move to 107.5. FM is where almost all of the under 55 cume is. ESPN 1100 was the only AM with 25-54 numbers.

 

[radioresearcher]

Looking at the first official PPM that came out yesterday you can really see talk radio took a hit.Both KXNT and KDWN went down around 2 full shares diary to PPM. KDWN has a 1.5 which is the lowest since the pre-Beasley era.

Many high TSL and low cume stations, whatever the format, suffered as their markets changed to PPM. The PPM reveals how much rounding and lazy filling in went on in the diary!

AM talkers have the disadvantage of not penetrating the under-55 demos well, reducing the cume potential. So they often look poor in PPM. Look at KGO in San Francisco, which is hurt by generally being around 15th or lower in 25-54, while KCBS (with an FM simulcast) went way up as did KQED... FM, and higher cume potential.

I see not even KXNT made the top 20 25-54. They really need to move to 107.5. FM is where almost all of the under 55 cume is. ESPN 1100 was the only AM with 25-54 numbers.

Most of the big companies have been reluctant to take their big AM's and move them to FM as it would devalue the AM asset.

 

[Jay F]

But could KXNT be considered a big AM anymore?

Emmis moved WIBC/Indy to FM and they were bigger than KXNT ever was.

 

[radioresearcher]

But could KXNT be considered a big AM anymore?

Emmis moved WIBC/Indy to FM and they were bigger than KXNT ever was.

Yes, but they had a revenue generating plan with WIBC-AM being the primary Sports outlet - ditto for Bonneville in Phoenix with KTAR.