I Finally Got to Hear HD Radio

[SayNoToIBOC]

autopaint-1 wrote: "These are from C-net readers, not exactly technically astute individules. IT'S A COMPUTER SITE. It's like going to a model airplane site to discuss the pluses and minuses of a Boeing 757. Rediculous. What is it they say about opinions and a certain part of a persons anatomy?"

Hey, these were for entertainment purposes - I thought everyone, since they are so uptight, could use a good laugh ! Hey, this is just a message board - BFD !

 

[IBOCRocks]

autopaint-1 wrote: "These are from C-net readers, not exactly technically astute individules. IT'S A COMPUTER SITE. It's like going to a model airplane site to discuss the pluses and minuses of a Boeing 757. Rediculous. What is it they say about opinions and a certain part of a persons anatomy?"

Hey, these were for entertainment purposes - I thought everyone, since they are so uptight, could use a good laugh ! Hey, this is just a message board - BFD !

If it's just a "message board" then why do you spend so much time here defending your fraudulent and flawed position?

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Just got back from Best Buy, and I got the salesperson to plug in the Recepter HD radio; with the suppiled long-wire antenna, I was only able to get two FM stations ! I tried the analog boom-boxes and was able to get many stations, and the two radios sounded exactly the same !

1) With such poor coverage/reception, how is the HD Radio Alliance going to pull off this scam ? Are they going to secretly hook up an external dipole antena, and hope no one is smart enough to figure it out ?

2) I can just see it now, a big display for HD Radio - and what are they going to display/demo ? At any rate, a demo/display of this ridiculous, "technology", is going to be a hilarious disaster !

Looks like this turkey is already stuffed for Thanksgiving !

 

[IBOCRocks]

Just got back from Best Buy, and I got the salesperson to plug in the Recepter HD radio; with the suppiled long-wire antenna, I was only able to get two FM stations ! I tried the analog boom-boxes and was able to get many stations, and the two radios sounded exactly the same !

1) With such poor coverage/reception, how is the HD Radio Alliance going to pull off this scam ? Are they going to secretly hook up an external dipole antena, and hope no one is smart enough to figure it out ?

2) I can just see it now, a big display for HD Radio - and what are they going to display/demo ? At any rate, a demo/display of this ridiculous, "technology", is going to be a hilarious disaster !

Looks like this turkey is already stuffed for Thanksgiving !

I don't believe you.

You've shown that you are willing to say anything, true or not, to support your side. HD could have come in very well, but you'd never admit it.

You have no credibility.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Here's my Best Buy receipt:

WELCOME TO BEST BUY #288
Gaithersburg, Md. 20877
(301)990-8839

Keep You Receipt !

Return policies may vary by product type.

Val #: 1079-8946-6045-4085

0288 003 8174 08/11/06 13 12 0570212


SALE


7745793 CD 13.99
RAP - Bronze Nazareth: Great Migrat
7880607 CD 9.99
RAP - Port Of Miami
7909203 Presell DVD 5.00
PS-X360-Saints Row Presel DV
7846049 33001 59.99
X360-Dead Rising

---------------

SubTotal 88.97
Sales Tax 5% 4.45

========

Total 93.42


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx6367 MASTERCARD 93.42
My Name
Approval 262336



<<<<< CUSTOMER COPY >>>>>

 

[IBOCRocks]

Here's my Best Buy receipt:

WELCOME TO BEST BUY #288
Gaithersburg, Md. 20877
(301)990-8839

Keep You Receipt !

Return policies may vary by product type.

Val #: 1079-8946-6045-4085

0288 003 8174 08/11/06 13 12 0570212


SALE


7745793 CD 13.99
RAP - Bronze Nazareth: Great Migrat
7880607 CD 9.99
RAP - Port Of Miami
7909203 Presell DVD 5.00
PS-X360-Saints Row Presel DV
7846049 33001 59.99
X360-Dead Rising

---------------

SubTotal 88.97
Sales Tax 5% 4.45

========

Total 93.42


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx6367 MASTERCARD 93.42
My Name
Approval 262336



<<<<< CUSTOMER COPY >>>>>

I didn't question that you went to BestBuy.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

The only two FM stations, that I could get, were 105.9 and 107.3

See, the Recepter HD needs a folded dipole antenna:

"Better Recepter Reception"

http://beradio.com/eyeoniboc/radio_better_recepter_reception/

Boy, that will go over well at a demo ! Just wait, until those few suckers get this baby home !

 

[IBOCRocks]

The only two FM stations, that I could get, were 105.9 and 107.3

See, the Recepter HD needs a folded dipole antenna:

"Better Recepter Reception"

http://beradio.com/eyeoniboc/radio_better_recepter_reception/

Boy, that will go over well at a demo ! Just wait, until those few suckers get this baby home !

Whatever. You're not even worth it anymore. If I make a point you'll just end up subjecting us to an obscenity-laden rant or something. Nothing like the smell of desparation.

 

[calstymes]

Why do you people keep talking to this guy? He'd be gone in a day if you would just IGNORE him. If you continue to talk to him you keep taking his bait and then he will continue to come back with more icendiary drivel to flame the fire.

PLEASE. IGNORE HIM. That means, DON'T reply to what he posts. Say NOTHING to him. Do NOT acknowledge him in any way. Then maybe we can have a discussion in these threads again.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

He already wrote his eulogy, but he was back the next day - big surprise !

 

[IBOCRocks]

He already wrote his eulogy, but he was back the next day - big surprise !

Maybe I should have gotten angry and used swear words and threats. It apparently works for you.

 

[calstymes]

SayNoToIBOC says:

He already wrote his eulogy, but he was back the next day - big surprise !

I'm talking about you, [EDIT]. I am going to address you ONCE and only ONCE, because doing this violates my own suggestions to others.

People DO share your views about this awful technology but you are just about the most disruptive individual I have ever encountered on any message board, anywhere. It seems to me that you are only seeking attention and attempting to fuel flames with others. Quite honestly, you are giving those who share your viewpoint a bad name when you constantly create new threads containing nothing more than ridiculous pointers to opinion pieces. Yes, there are a few facts buried in your pointers but most of them are intended to be disruptive to this message board and cause arguing amongst professionals and people who have a genuine interest in this subject (pro or con).

I don't care if you do contract work for the CIA or not. I don't care what you do. I was earning a living in my profession of choise when you were still in diapers. I consider you to be pathetic and I am trying to get others on this message board, regardless of how they feel about this awful technology to IGNORE you so that you will GO AWAY. Do not think for a minute that I have been referring to anyone other than you.

I will not address you directly again, sir.

Cal Stymes


[EDIT=name calling]

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Yes, sir ! I thought you were referring to the "other" disruptive [EDIT] !


[EDIT=name calling]

 

[SUPERCASTER]

http://news.com.com/5208-1041-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7009&messageID=118775&start=-185
http://news.com.com/5208-1041-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7009&messageID=91175&start=-185

http://news.com.com/5208-1041-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7009&messageID=118774&start=-185

http://news.com.com/5208-1041-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7009&messageID=123753&start=-185
http://news.com.com/5208-1041-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7009&messageID=103756&start=-185
And I could go on. All opinions but these are pro IBOC.

I want to hilight one response which I think says it all, unless you suffer from IBOC paranoia;

Jamming Claim is Utter Nonsense!
Reader post by: NicoleNichols
Posted on: December 4, 2005, 9:57 AM PST
Story: High-definition radio gears up for reality
There are seven FM stations broadcasting HD in my metro area, and there is no "jamming".

It would seem that Mr. Franklin feels he has been "wronged" in some way, or maybe lost money on an investment as a result of the delayed roll-out of this technology. Maybe he owns stock in or is employed by one of the pay-to-listen satellite radio services. It makes no difference to me, everyone is entitled to say what they like, but to make false claims is not okay.

The claims made by Mr. Franklin are unfounded from my personal observation. I don't know if Mr. Franklin has actually ever experienced any of the problems he claims in his posting, but I have not. I'm not relying on the stories appearing on this or other websites to jump to a conclusion (correct or otherwise). When possible, I do hands-on research, I'll check-out the topic with as many sources as I can find, get professional opinions when necessary. I've listened to the seven stations in my area, and the adjoining stations, and can find none of the problems claimed by Mr. Franklin.

It is my personal opinion, that one reason that the availability of HD radio receivers is severely limited, is likely due to the high risk that manufacturer's must contend with when launching a new product. It's very risky, not to mention very costly, to gear up production for a product that the public has not yet committed to purchase. The demand is just not there at this time. Add to this the proliferation of the pay-to-listen satellite services, and the massive marketing campaigns on the iPod and other portable music players, HD radio is up against some really stiff competition. Not to mention that the public has probably never even heard of HD radio. I've never heard one mention of HD broadcasting on any of the stations I routinely listen to, and I listen to six of the seven local HD stations in my area.

In other posts on this topic, some have stated that the popularity of "podcasts" and their mp3 collections allow them to select their own program content, thus avoiding bombardment of advertisers on commercial stations, and the short repetitive playlists. Quite true. But tell me, where can you download the podcast that contains the traffic report of the automobile accident that just happened three miles ahead of you on your way to work?

I don't own an HD radio, but I would love to own one. I can't afford to spend $269 for the least expensive HD radio on the market. Perhaps the prices will fall when the the availability is better, as usually happens with new technology.

Do a little research, this is not difficult. Check to see if there is a station broadcasting HD in your area. Use this link to iBiquity: http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/hdradio_hdstations.htm and listen to the HD stations in your area, then tune up the dial to the next station, and then tune dial down to the next station.

By the way, I don't work for any broadcaster or manufacturer. I have no money invested in any any broadcaster or manufacturer. I hold no malice toward the satellite radio providers or the proponents of podcasting. I have nothing to gain from this posting. That is, unless enough people read my posting, and see that the claims are not as Mr. Franklin claims, and they decide that they too would like to have their own HD radio, then the manufacturers begin mass producing them, and then prices drop to something I can afford. Okay, then, I may have something to gain. But who's going read this and take it seriously?

Above taken from C-Net

But she is an admitted biased slanderer and liar, with psychic fantasies!
Just look at her personal attack on someone she does not know anything more about then she knows about HD Radio!
Her comments are nothing but total crap. Why should anyone take her posting seriously?
The IBOC HD Radio paranoia is all on the supporter's side. They are clearly the ones with the most to loose, if HD crashes and burns, as it probably will.

 

[IBOCRocks]

http://news.com.com/5208-1041-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7009&messageID=118775&start=-185
http://news.com.com/5208-1041-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7009&messageID=91175&start=-185

http://news.com.com/5208-1041-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7009&messageID=118774&start=-185

http://news.com.com/5208-1041-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7009&messageID=123753&start=-185
http://news.com.com/5208-1041-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7009&messageID=103756&start=-185
And I could go on. All opinions but these are pro IBOC.

I want to hilight one response which I think says it all, unless you suffer from IBOC paranoia;

Jamming Claim is Utter Nonsense!
Reader post by: NicoleNichols
Posted on: December 4, 2005, 9:57 AM PST
Story: High-definition radio gears up for reality
There are seven FM stations broadcasting HD in my metro area, and there is no "jamming".

It would seem that Mr. Franklin feels he has been "wronged" in some way, or maybe lost money on an investment as a result of the delayed roll-out of this technology. Maybe he owns stock in or is employed by one of the pay-to-listen satellite radio services. It makes no difference to me, everyone is entitled to say what they like, but to make false claims is not okay.

The claims made by Mr. Franklin are unfounded from my personal observation. I don't know if Mr. Franklin has actually ever experienced any of the problems he claims in his posting, but I have not. I'm not relying on the stories appearing on this or other websites to jump to a conclusion (correct or otherwise). When possible, I do hands-on research, I'll check-out the topic with as many sources as I can find, get professional opinions when necessary. I've listened to the seven stations in my area, and the adjoining stations, and can find none of the problems claimed by Mr. Franklin.

It is my personal opinion, that one reason that the availability of HD radio receivers is severely limited, is likely due to the high risk that manufacturer's must contend with when launching a new product. It's very risky, not to mention very costly, to gear up production for a product that the public has not yet committed to purchase. The demand is just not there at this time. Add to this the proliferation of the pay-to-listen satellite services, and the massive marketing campaigns on the iPod and other portable music players, HD radio is up against some really stiff competition. Not to mention that the public has probably never even heard of HD radio. I've never heard one mention of HD broadcasting on any of the stations I routinely listen to, and I listen to six of the seven local HD stations in my area.

In other posts on this topic, some have stated that the popularity of "podcasts" and their mp3 collections allow them to select their own program content, thus avoiding bombardment of advertisers on commercial stations, and the short repetitive playlists. Quite true. But tell me, where can you download the podcast that contains the traffic report of the automobile accident that just happened three miles ahead of you on your way to work?

I don't own an HD radio, but I would love to own one. I can't afford to spend $269 for the least expensive HD radio on the market. Perhaps the prices will fall when the the availability is better, as usually happens with new technology.

Do a little research, this is not difficult. Check to see if there is a station broadcasting HD in your area. Use this link to iBiquity: http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/hdradio_hdstations.htm and listen to the HD stations in your area, then tune up the dial to the next station, and then tune dial down to the next station.

By the way, I don't work for any broadcaster or manufacturer. I have no money invested in any any broadcaster or manufacturer. I hold no malice toward the satellite radio providers or the proponents of podcasting. I have nothing to gain from this posting. That is, unless enough people read my posting, and see that the claims are not as Mr. Franklin claims, and they decide that they too would like to have their own HD radio, then the manufacturers begin mass producing them, and then prices drop to something I can afford. Okay, then, I may have something to gain. But who's going read this and take it seriously?

Above taken from C-Net

But she is an admitted biased slanderer and liar, with psychic fantasies!
Just look at her personal attack on someone she does not know anything more about then she knows about HD Radio!
Her comments are nothing but total crap. Why should anyone take her posting seriously?
The IBOC HD Radio paranoia is all on the supporter's side. They are clearly the ones with the most to loose, if HD crashes and burns, as it probably will.

What part of this is true? Talk about psychic fantasies:

-----WEBSITE HIJACKED, PSYCHO-TERRORISTS THWARTED
An open website and forum was hijacked by a conspiracy of pro-HD Radio psycho-terrorists, making threats and blocking access to the (formerly) open forum to those who pointed out HD radio's shortcomings and increasing unnecessary interference to analog broadcasting (and others with valid information and opinions). Some of the hijackers are employees of companies that are members or supporters of the HD Radio consortium (cartel) and were preventing the public from getting accurate information about HD Radio's defects, and about the cartel that is creating unnecessary destructive interference to AM and FM broadcast reception on the public's airwaves (and 1 billion radios).
A court order was issued and control of the website to the rightful owners was re-established.
Here is a link to the website that was hijacked:
http://www.radio-info.com/

-----

Why should anyone take your posts seriously. The above is a total lie.

 

[autopaint-1]

and 1 billion radios

999,999,999 radios on the wall, 999,999,999 radios, if one of those radios should happen to fall they'll be 999,999,998 radios on the wall. 999,999,998 radios on the wall and on and on. I think (and this is just a guess) that 1 billion radios is a bit overstated.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

and 1 billion radios

999,999,999 radios on the wall, 999,999,999 radios, if one of those radios should happen to fall they'll be 999,999,998 radios on the wall. 999,999,998 radios on the wall and on and on. I think (and this is just a guess) that 1 billion radios is a bit overstated.

No, 1 Billion radios is probably a very conservative count for North America.
Canada, Mexico and other nations have either filed compaints or expressed their concern about interference from this defective adjacent channel HD Radio technology.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

http://news.com.com/5208-1041-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7009&messageID=118775&start=-185
http://news.com.com/5208-1041-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7009&messageID=91175&start=-185

http://news.com.com/5208-1041-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7009&messageID=118774&start=-185

http://news.com.com/5208-1041-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7009&messageID=123753&start=-185
http://news.com.com/5208-1041-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=7009&messageID=103756&start=-185
And I could go on. All opinions but these are pro IBOC.

I want to hilight one response which I think says it all, unless you suffer from IBOC paranoia;

Jamming Claim is Utter Nonsense!
Reader post by: NicoleNichols
Posted on: December 4, 2005, 9:57 AM PST
Story: High-definition radio gears up for reality
There are seven FM stations broadcasting HD in my metro area, and there is no "jamming".

It would seem that Mr. Franklin feels he has been "wronged" in some way, or maybe lost money on an investment as a result of the delayed roll-out of this technology. Maybe he owns stock in or is employed by one of the pay-to-listen satellite radio services. It makes no difference to me, everyone is entitled to say what they like, but to make false claims is not okay.

The claims made by Mr. Franklin are unfounded from my personal observation. I don't know if Mr. Franklin has actually ever experienced any of the problems he claims in his posting, but I have not. I'm not relying on the stories appearing on this or other websites to jump to a conclusion (correct or otherwise). When possible, I do hands-on research, I'll check-out the topic with as many sources as I can find, get professional opinions when necessary. I've listened to the seven stations in my area, and the adjoining stations, and can find none of the problems claimed by Mr. Franklin.

It is my personal opinion, that one reason that the availability of HD radio receivers is severely limited, is likely due to the high risk that manufacturer's must contend with when launching a new product. It's very risky, not to mention very costly, to gear up production for a product that the public has not yet committed to purchase. The demand is just not there at this time. Add to this the proliferation of the pay-to-listen satellite services, and the massive marketing campaigns on the iPod and other portable music players, HD radio is up against some really stiff competition. Not to mention that the public has probably never even heard of HD radio. I've never heard one mention of HD broadcasting on any of the stations I routinely listen to, and I listen to six of the seven local HD stations in my area.

In other posts on this topic, some have stated that the popularity of "podcasts" and their mp3 collections allow them to select their own program content, thus avoiding bombardment of advertisers on commercial stations, and the short repetitive playlists. Quite true. But tell me, where can you download the podcast that contains the traffic report of the automobile accident that just happened three miles ahead of you on your way to work?

I don't own an HD radio, but I would love to own one. I can't afford to spend $269 for the least expensive HD radio on the market. Perhaps the prices will fall when the the availability is better, as usually happens with new technology.

Do a little research, this is not difficult. Check to see if there is a station broadcasting HD in your area. Use this link to iBiquity: http://www.ibiquity.com/hdradio/hdradio_hdstations.htm and listen to the HD stations in your area, then tune up the dial to the next station, and then tune dial down to the next station.

By the way, I don't work for any broadcaster or manufacturer. I have no money invested in any any broadcaster or manufacturer. I hold no malice toward the satellite radio providers or the proponents of podcasting. I have nothing to gain from this posting. That is, unless enough people read my posting, and see that the claims are not as Mr. Franklin claims, and they decide that they too would like to have their own HD radio, then the manufacturers begin mass producing them, and then prices drop to something I can afford. Okay, then, I may have something to gain. But who's going read this and take it seriously?

Above taken from C-Net

But she is an admitted biased slanderer and liar, with psychic fantasies!
Just look at her personal attack on someone she does not know anything more about then she knows about HD Radio!
Her comments are nothing but total crap. Why should anyone take her posting seriously?
The IBOC HD Radio paranoia is all on the supporter's side. They are clearly the ones with the most to loose, if HD crashes and burns, as it probably will.

What part of this is true? Talk about psychic fantasies:

-----WEBSITE HIJACKED, PSYCHO-TERRORISTS THWARTED
An open website and forum was hijacked by a conspiracy of pro-HD Radio psycho-terrorists, making threats and blocking access to the (formerly) open forum to those who pointed out HD radio's shortcomings and increasing unnecessary interference to analog broadcasting (and others with valid information and opinions). Some of the hijackers are employees of companies that are members or supporters of the HD Radio consortium (cartel) and were preventing the public from getting accurate information about HD Radio's defects, and about the cartel that is creating unnecessary destructive interference to AM and FM broadcast reception on the public's airwaves (and 1 billion radios).
A court order was issued and control of the website to the rightful owners was re-established.
Here is a link to the website that was hijacked:
http://www.radio-info.com/

-----

Why should anyone take your posts seriously. The above is a total lie.

Since these are your words and intrepretation it is clearly a lie. We agree!

 

[davideduardo]

No, 1 Billion radios is probably a very conservative count for North America.
Canada, Mexico and other nations have either filed compaints or expressed their concern about interference from this defective HD Radio technology.

1 billion is probably an exaggerated top end number. Most sources say somehting like 700 to 800 million. But, whatever the figure, it means the average person has access to several terrestrial receivers.

Mexico has not filed any complaints or expressed concerns. They have been testing on 690 XEN for a year, and will probably accept HD. XEN, by the way, is a 100 kw AM with much lower powered AMs on 660 and 710 licensed to the same city (México, D.F.) with only 30 kHz and 20 kHz separation with no noxious results.

Canada can not say much, as they are busily eliminating most of the nations's AMs.

Brazil has approved HD and the larger companies have ordered equipment already.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

No, 1 Billion radios is probably a very conservative count for North America.
Canada, Mexico and other nations have either filed compaints or expressed their concern about interference from this defective HD Radio technology.

1 billion is probably an exaggerated top end number. Most sources say somehting like 700 to 800 million. But, whatever the figure, it means the average person has access to several terrestrial receivers.

Mexico has not filed any complaints or expressed concerns. They have been testing on 690 XEN for a year, and will probably accept HD. XEN, by the way, is a 100 kw AM with much lower powered AMs on 660 and 710 licensed to the same city (México, D.F.) with only 30 kHz and 20 kHz separation with no noxious results.

Canada can not say much, as they are busily eliminating most of the nations's AMs.

Brazil has approved HD and the larger companies have ordered equipment already.

Brazil is in SOUTH America.
The 800 million radio figure often quoted is for the USA, and does not include Canada, Mexico, or the dozen or more other countries in NORTH America.
At least Mexico is smart enough to give HD Radio a truely independent test. Apparently much smarter then the "gringos" or the FCC.
Canada has already registered their concern that it considers that adjacent channel HD Radio may be a violation of international North American boradcast agreements.
The problems could extend to adjacent channel HD FM as well.