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MrJimbo
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Look at their "Mission"
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> Look at their "Mission"
>
>
http://www.kbvm.com/> index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=0&Itemid=50
>
It's unfortunate - from a theological standpoint - that the emphasis is on the Virgin Mary rather than Jesus Christ.
However, it is their right to articulate that mission and it's consistent with Catholic doctrine. Therefore, it shouldn't be surprising.
>
>
http://www.kbvm.com/> index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=0&Itemid=50
>
It's unfortunate - from a theological standpoint - that the emphasis is on the Virgin Mary rather than Jesus Christ.
However, it is their right to articulate that mission and it's consistent with Catholic doctrine. Therefore, it shouldn't be surprising.
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Audiofile
Guest
Re: I too find this disturbing
Speaking of Mission statements maybe this is related?
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Speaking of Mission statements maybe this is related?
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rye
Guest
Re: I too find this disturbing
This article is not only poorly written, but is just full of incorrect facts.
> Speaking of Mission statements maybe this is related?
>
> ** U S A. CATHOLICS ASK EVANGELICAL RADIO TO CHANGE POLICY
> By J. Michael Parker, Express-News Religion Writer
> Web Posted : 05/21/2003 12:00 AM
>
> An estimated 200 irate San Antonio Catholics have asked a
> national
> evangelical Christian radio network to rescind its policy
> against
> promoting Catholic musical events, which the San Antonians
> see as
> anti-Catholic.
>
> But the president of the K-LOVE network, who acknowledges
> the network
> has Catholic listeners and monetary support, said the policy
> doesn't
> single out Catholics; it prohibits advertising from any
> entity that
> doesn't comply with the network's statement of faith.
>
> The flap started several weeks ago when organizers of an
> ACTS retreat
> at St. Margaret Mary Catholic Church planned a fund-raising
> concert
> that was to include singer Jaci Velasquez. When organizers
> asked K-
> LOVE to promote it, the network said it could not promote a
> Catholic
> event.
>
> John Halloran, president of the San Antonio chapter of the
> National
> Association of Pastoral Musicians, said he and many Catholic
> friends
> were enthusiastic supporters of K-LOVE until they learned it
> would not
> promote Catholic events.
>
> "K-LOVE provides a good service, and we don't want to shoot
> them
> down," Halloran said. "But they have Catholic music on the
> station and
> they take money from Catholic supporters. You'd think they'd
> support
> anything that lifts up Jesus Christ, but they don't. It's
> hypocritical."
>
> While the network, carried on KXPZ-FM in San Antonio, does
> not track
> the denominational backgrounds of its listeners and donors,
> no one
> denomination makes up more than 7 percent to 8 percent of
> the
> audience, according to Dick Jenkins, president of the
> Sacramento,
> Calif.-based network.
>
> He says the network accepts monetary support from Catholics
> and
> employs Catholics.
>
> "We take advertising only from organizations that comply
> with our
> statement of faith, and Catholic teaching doesn't comply
> with it,"
> Jenkins said.
>
> He said orthodox Protestant Christianity teaches that the
> Bible is the
> infallible word of God, whereas the Catholic Church
> considers itself
> and the pope infallible authorities.
>
> But papal and, by extension, church infallibility is claimed
> only in
> certain restricted circumstances.
>
> "I thought we lived in a more ecumenical age," said Father
> Jim Henke,
> pastor of St. Francis of Assisi Catholic Church. "It's not
> as if the
> Catholic Church were trying to get into K-LOVE and teach
> Catholic
> doctrine."
>
> Jenkins said he could not get evangelical events publicized
> on a
> Catholic station or network because he wouldn't comply with
> a Catholic
> statement of faith.
>
> But Catholic Television of San Antonio development director
> Libby
> Bentley said CTSA doesn't exclude evangelicals because of
> doctrinal
> disagreement.
>
> "Our mission is to broadcast programming that enhances the
> Catholic
> and the ecumenical community," Bentley said. "We've
> presented
> evangelical events in our community calendar in the past and
> are more
> than happy to include them whenever space is available."
>
> But she said the overwhelming majority of the events the
> station is
> asked to publicize are Catholic.
>
> Deacon Pat Rodgers, spokesman for the Catholic Archdiocese
> of San
> Antonio and host of a Catholic talk show on KLUP-AM and
> before that on
> nondenominational Christian radio station KSLR-AM, said
> doctrinal
> differences haven't been a problem at KSLR.
>
> But it's common for radio stations to set boundaries for
> accepting and
> rejecting promotional content, he said.
>
> While the archdiocese has no plans to mobilize the Catholic
> community
> against K-LOVE, Halloran said he and his friends plan to
> write letters
> to the network's major advertisers in an effort to force a
> policy
> change (via Artie Bigley, DXLD)
>
> www.dxing.com/dxr/dxld3089.htm
>
This article is not only poorly written, but is just full of incorrect facts.
> Speaking of Mission statements maybe this is related?
>
> ** U S A. CATHOLICS ASK EVANGELICAL RADIO TO CHANGE POLICY
> By J. Michael Parker, Express-News Religion Writer
> Web Posted : 05/21/2003 12:00 AM
>
> An estimated 200 irate San Antonio Catholics have asked a
> national
> evangelical Christian radio network to rescind its policy
> against
> promoting Catholic musical events, which the San Antonians
> see as
> anti-Catholic.
>
> But the president of the K-LOVE network, who acknowledges
> the network
> has Catholic listeners and monetary support, said the policy
> doesn't
> single out Catholics; it prohibits advertising from any
> entity that
> doesn't comply with the network's statement of faith.
>
> The flap started several weeks ago when organizers of an
> ACTS retreat
> at St. Margaret Mary Catholic Church planned a fund-raising
> concert
> that was to include singer Jaci Velasquez. When organizers
> asked K-
> LOVE to promote it, the network said it could not promote a
> Catholic
> event.
>
> John Halloran, president of the San Antonio chapter of the
> National
> Association of Pastoral Musicians, said he and many Catholic
> friends
> were enthusiastic supporters of K-LOVE until they learned it
> would not
> promote Catholic events.
>
> "K-LOVE provides a good service, and we don't want to shoot
> them
> down," Halloran said. "But they have Catholic music on the
> station and
> they take money from Catholic supporters. You'd think they'd
> support
> anything that lifts up Jesus Christ, but they don't. It's
> hypocritical."
>
> While the network, carried on KXPZ-FM in San Antonio, does
> not track
> the denominational backgrounds of its listeners and donors,
> no one
> denomination makes up more than 7 percent to 8 percent of
> the
> audience, according to Dick Jenkins, president of the
> Sacramento,
> Calif.-based network.
>
> He says the network accepts monetary support from Catholics
> and
> employs Catholics.
>
> "We take advertising only from organizations that comply
> with our
> statement of faith, and Catholic teaching doesn't comply
> with it,"
> Jenkins said.
>
> He said orthodox Protestant Christianity teaches that the
> Bible is the
> infallible word of God, whereas the Catholic Church
> considers itself
> and the pope infallible authorities.
>
> But papal and, by extension, church infallibility is claimed
> only in
> certain restricted circumstances.
>
> "I thought we lived in a more ecumenical age," said Father
> Jim Henke,
> pastor of St. Francis of Assisi Catholic Church. "It's not
> as if the
> Catholic Church were trying to get into K-LOVE and teach
> Catholic
> doctrine."
>
> Jenkins said he could not get evangelical events publicized
> on a
> Catholic station or network because he wouldn't comply with
> a Catholic
> statement of faith.
>
> But Catholic Television of San Antonio development director
> Libby
> Bentley said CTSA doesn't exclude evangelicals because of
> doctrinal
> disagreement.
>
> "Our mission is to broadcast programming that enhances the
> Catholic
> and the ecumenical community," Bentley said. "We've
> presented
> evangelical events in our community calendar in the past and
> are more
> than happy to include them whenever space is available."
>
> But she said the overwhelming majority of the events the
> station is
> asked to publicize are Catholic.
>
> Deacon Pat Rodgers, spokesman for the Catholic Archdiocese
> of San
> Antonio and host of a Catholic talk show on KLUP-AM and
> before that on
> nondenominational Christian radio station KSLR-AM, said
> doctrinal
> differences haven't been a problem at KSLR.
>
> But it's common for radio stations to set boundaries for
> accepting and
> rejecting promotional content, he said.
>
> While the archdiocese has no plans to mobilize the Catholic
> community
> against K-LOVE, Halloran said he and his friends plan to
> write letters
> to the network's major advertisers in an effort to force a
> policy
> change (via Artie Bigley, DXLD)
>
> www.dxing.com/dxr/dxld3089.htm
>
A
Audiofile
Guest
Re: I too find this disturbing
I wondering when they ever ran a promo for a local non-profit on one of the stations. Must be refering to the website...
> This article is not only poorly written, but is just full of
> incorrect facts.
>
>
> > Speaking of Mission statements maybe this is related?
> >
> > ** U S A. CATHOLICS ASK EVANGELICAL RADIO TO CHANGE POLICY
>
> > By J. Michael Parker, Express-News Religion Writer
> > Web Posted : 05/21/2003 12:00 AM
> >
> > An estimated 200 irate San Antonio Catholics have asked a
> > national
> > evangelical Christian radio network to rescind its policy
> > against
> > promoting Catholic musical events, which the San Antonians
>
> > see as
> > anti-Catholic.
> >
> > But the president of the K-LOVE network, who acknowledges
> > the network
> > has Catholic listeners and monetary support, said the
> policy
> > doesn't
> > single out Catholics; it prohibits advertising from any
> > entity that
> > doesn't comply with the network's statement of faith.
> >
> > The flap started several weeks ago when organizers of an
> > ACTS retreat
> > at St. Margaret Mary Catholic Church planned a
> fund-raising
> > concert
> > that was to include singer Jaci Velasquez. When organizers
>
> > asked K-
> > LOVE to promote it, the network said it could not promote
> a
> > Catholic
> > event.
> >
> > John Halloran, president of the San Antonio chapter of the
>
> > National
> > Association of Pastoral Musicians, said he and many
> Catholic
> > friends
> > were enthusiastic supporters of K-LOVE until they learned
> it
> > would not
> > promote Catholic events.
> >
> > "K-LOVE provides a good service, and we don't want to
> shoot
> > them
> > down," Halloran said. "But they have Catholic music on the
>
> > station and
> > they take money from Catholic supporters. You'd think
> they'd
> > support
> > anything that lifts up Jesus Christ, but they don't. It's
>
> > hypocritical."
> >
> > While the network, carried on KXPZ-FM in San Antonio, does
>
> > not track
> > the denominational backgrounds of its listeners and
> donors,
> > no one
> > denomination makes up more than 7 percent to 8 percent of
> > the
> > audience, according to Dick Jenkins, president of the
> > Sacramento,
> > Calif.-based network.
> >
> > He says the network accepts monetary support from
> Catholics
> > and
> > employs Catholics.
> >
> > "We take advertising only from organizations that comply
> > with our
> > statement of faith, and Catholic teaching doesn't comply
> > with it,"
> > Jenkins said.
> >
> > He said orthodox Protestant Christianity teaches that the
> > Bible is the
> > infallible word of God, whereas the Catholic Church
> > considers itself
> > and the pope infallible authorities.
> >
> > But papal and, by extension, church infallibility is
> claimed
> > only in
> > certain restricted circumstances.
> >
> > "I thought we lived in a more ecumenical age," said Father
>
> > Jim Henke,
> > pastor of St. Francis of Assisi Catholic Church. "It's not
>
> > as if the
> > Catholic Church were trying to get into K-LOVE and teach
> > Catholic
> > doctrine."
> >
> > Jenkins said he could not get evangelical events
> publicized
> > on a
> > Catholic station or network because he wouldn't comply
> with
> > a Catholic
> > statement of faith.
> >
> > But Catholic Television of San Antonio development
> director
> > Libby
> > Bentley said CTSA doesn't exclude evangelicals because of
> > doctrinal
> > disagreement.
> >
> > "Our mission is to broadcast programming that enhances the
>
> > Catholic
> > and the ecumenical community," Bentley said. "We've
> > presented
> > evangelical events in our community calendar in the past
> and
> > are more
> > than happy to include them whenever space is available."
> >
> > But she said the overwhelming majority of the events the
> > station is
> > asked to publicize are Catholic.
> >
> > Deacon Pat Rodgers, spokesman for the Catholic Archdiocese
>
> > of San
> > Antonio and host of a Catholic talk show on KLUP-AM and
> > before that on
> > nondenominational Christian radio station KSLR-AM, said
> > doctrinal
> > differences haven't been a problem at KSLR.
> >
> > But it's common for radio stations to set boundaries for
> > accepting and
> > rejecting promotional content, he said.
> >
> > While the archdiocese has no plans to mobilize the
> Catholic
> > community
> > against K-LOVE, Halloran said he and his friends plan to
> > write letters
> > to the network's major advertisers in an effort to force a
>
> > policy
> > change (via Artie Bigley, DXLD)
> >
> > www.dxing.com/dxr/dxld3089.htm
> >
>
I wondering when they ever ran a promo for a local non-profit on one of the stations. Must be refering to the website...
> This article is not only poorly written, but is just full of
> incorrect facts.
>
>
> > Speaking of Mission statements maybe this is related?
> >
> > ** U S A. CATHOLICS ASK EVANGELICAL RADIO TO CHANGE POLICY
>
> > By J. Michael Parker, Express-News Religion Writer
> > Web Posted : 05/21/2003 12:00 AM
> >
> > An estimated 200 irate San Antonio Catholics have asked a
> > national
> > evangelical Christian radio network to rescind its policy
> > against
> > promoting Catholic musical events, which the San Antonians
>
> > see as
> > anti-Catholic.
> >
> > But the president of the K-LOVE network, who acknowledges
> > the network
> > has Catholic listeners and monetary support, said the
> policy
> > doesn't
> > single out Catholics; it prohibits advertising from any
> > entity that
> > doesn't comply with the network's statement of faith.
> >
> > The flap started several weeks ago when organizers of an
> > ACTS retreat
> > at St. Margaret Mary Catholic Church planned a
> fund-raising
> > concert
> > that was to include singer Jaci Velasquez. When organizers
>
> > asked K-
> > LOVE to promote it, the network said it could not promote
> a
> > Catholic
> > event.
> >
> > John Halloran, president of the San Antonio chapter of the
>
> > National
> > Association of Pastoral Musicians, said he and many
> Catholic
> > friends
> > were enthusiastic supporters of K-LOVE until they learned
> it
> > would not
> > promote Catholic events.
> >
> > "K-LOVE provides a good service, and we don't want to
> shoot
> > them
> > down," Halloran said. "But they have Catholic music on the
>
> > station and
> > they take money from Catholic supporters. You'd think
> they'd
> > support
> > anything that lifts up Jesus Christ, but they don't. It's
>
> > hypocritical."
> >
> > While the network, carried on KXPZ-FM in San Antonio, does
>
> > not track
> > the denominational backgrounds of its listeners and
> donors,
> > no one
> > denomination makes up more than 7 percent to 8 percent of
> > the
> > audience, according to Dick Jenkins, president of the
> > Sacramento,
> > Calif.-based network.
> >
> > He says the network accepts monetary support from
> Catholics
> > and
> > employs Catholics.
> >
> > "We take advertising only from organizations that comply
> > with our
> > statement of faith, and Catholic teaching doesn't comply
> > with it,"
> > Jenkins said.
> >
> > He said orthodox Protestant Christianity teaches that the
> > Bible is the
> > infallible word of God, whereas the Catholic Church
> > considers itself
> > and the pope infallible authorities.
> >
> > But papal and, by extension, church infallibility is
> claimed
> > only in
> > certain restricted circumstances.
> >
> > "I thought we lived in a more ecumenical age," said Father
>
> > Jim Henke,
> > pastor of St. Francis of Assisi Catholic Church. "It's not
>
> > as if the
> > Catholic Church were trying to get into K-LOVE and teach
> > Catholic
> > doctrine."
> >
> > Jenkins said he could not get evangelical events
> publicized
> > on a
> > Catholic station or network because he wouldn't comply
> with
> > a Catholic
> > statement of faith.
> >
> > But Catholic Television of San Antonio development
> director
> > Libby
> > Bentley said CTSA doesn't exclude evangelicals because of
> > doctrinal
> > disagreement.
> >
> > "Our mission is to broadcast programming that enhances the
>
> > Catholic
> > and the ecumenical community," Bentley said. "We've
> > presented
> > evangelical events in our community calendar in the past
> and
> > are more
> > than happy to include them whenever space is available."
> >
> > But she said the overwhelming majority of the events the
> > station is
> > asked to publicize are Catholic.
> >
> > Deacon Pat Rodgers, spokesman for the Catholic Archdiocese
>
> > of San
> > Antonio and host of a Catholic talk show on KLUP-AM and
> > before that on
> > nondenominational Christian radio station KSLR-AM, said
> > doctrinal
> > differences haven't been a problem at KSLR.
> >
> > But it's common for radio stations to set boundaries for
> > accepting and
> > rejecting promotional content, he said.
> >
> > While the archdiocese has no plans to mobilize the
> Catholic
> > community
> > against K-LOVE, Halloran said he and his friends plan to
> > write letters
> > to the network's major advertisers in an effort to force a
>
> > policy
> > change (via Artie Bigley, DXLD)
> >
> > www.dxing.com/dxr/dxld3089.htm
> >
>
Re: I too find this disturbing
It's unfortunate that we have issues that seperate us as brothers and sisters in Christ. Catholics do not have an open table at Holy Communion (they only will give communion to Catholics) where as most Protestant churches do, the only requirement is that you believe in Christ as your savior. So if you have some ecumentical event at a Catholic church, you as a non-Catholic will be left out at communion time, which probably is why more of those types of events are held at Protestant churches, this way all can participate.
Some Baptists groups do not consider United Methodists, Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be saved and have no problem in telling you so.
In that mission statement for that Catholic publication, yes that is consistant with Catholic doctrine and is their right to express, even if we of the Protestant side of Christianity do not agree with it. It is unfortunate, but these sorts of beliefs do seperate us.
Does K-love have the right to limit what ads they take and by doing so exclude Catholic ads? Sure, all Commerical Christian stations I know of do not accept ads for Beer, Wine, or liquor, yet Catholics do not have a problem with consumming these adult beverages even on their church property at carnivals, and bazaars, etc; where as most Prostestants do have a problem with drinking any liquor. So as K-love probably is targetting Protestants rather than Catholics, it probably is not unreasonable to not include Catholic ads for their up coming events as that might not sit well with their target demo(Protestants), just as that Catholic TV station will only accept Protestant ads, if there is ad space left, obviously giving preference to Catholic events and sponsors, etc. The question there could be, are they accepting the TV ads from Protestants to be a good neighbor or because as TV is so very expensive they need to fill all those spot breaks and if having a Protestant ad will help make ends meet then so be it. K-love may not have that sort of financial situation to deal with so can be more choosey who they accept ads from. Personally, I think that K-love should air the Catholic spots, as a way to reach out to Catholics and keep them listening. They won't hear the truth of the Word by chasing them away. We are to love one another. Disagree with the errors of their teachings, but love the Catholic believer who is seeking after Jesus and wants a deeper relationship with the Master. That is probably why some Catholics are listening to K-love. Bottomline is reaching all for Christ and getting them saved. However, having said all that, K-love and the Catholic TV station have the right do serve who they believe the Lord has called them to serve. Hopefully they've heard from the Lord and are doing HIS will, that's the real bottomline.
A local CCM station in my area doesn't allow any other local pastor to buy airtime on that station, they will accept national preachers. Obviously, as this station is owned and operated by a church here they see the other local pastors as competition. Frankly, that station misses out on some solid biblical based preaching by some great local pastors here by being so narrow, but it is their right to do so. I don't agree with their stance and because I disagree with that attitude that is keeping many good preachers off local radio here, I do not financially support that particular station. Unfortunately, they are also the only CCM game in town.
Is the Lord blessed by all this contention, etc ? Probably not. Does it create a stumbling block to nonChristians from coming to Christ, you bet it does. Is there a solution? Sure, listen to the Lord, and allow him to guide each believer in what he or she should be doing and how they are to do what they do. This would include radio/TV stations that claim to be serving Christ. If they've heard from the Lord and are doing what they believe he's guided them to do, then that's what they should be doing, and our opinions on this truly don't matter.
St. Francis of Assisi once gave a one sentence sermon when he said, "Preach the Gospel at all times, if necessary, use words".
It's unfortunate that we have issues that seperate us as brothers and sisters in Christ. Catholics do not have an open table at Holy Communion (they only will give communion to Catholics) where as most Protestant churches do, the only requirement is that you believe in Christ as your savior. So if you have some ecumentical event at a Catholic church, you as a non-Catholic will be left out at communion time, which probably is why more of those types of events are held at Protestant churches, this way all can participate.
Some Baptists groups do not consider United Methodists, Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be saved and have no problem in telling you so.
In that mission statement for that Catholic publication, yes that is consistant with Catholic doctrine and is their right to express, even if we of the Protestant side of Christianity do not agree with it. It is unfortunate, but these sorts of beliefs do seperate us.
Does K-love have the right to limit what ads they take and by doing so exclude Catholic ads? Sure, all Commerical Christian stations I know of do not accept ads for Beer, Wine, or liquor, yet Catholics do not have a problem with consumming these adult beverages even on their church property at carnivals, and bazaars, etc; where as most Prostestants do have a problem with drinking any liquor. So as K-love probably is targetting Protestants rather than Catholics, it probably is not unreasonable to not include Catholic ads for their up coming events as that might not sit well with their target demo(Protestants), just as that Catholic TV station will only accept Protestant ads, if there is ad space left, obviously giving preference to Catholic events and sponsors, etc. The question there could be, are they accepting the TV ads from Protestants to be a good neighbor or because as TV is so very expensive they need to fill all those spot breaks and if having a Protestant ad will help make ends meet then so be it. K-love may not have that sort of financial situation to deal with so can be more choosey who they accept ads from. Personally, I think that K-love should air the Catholic spots, as a way to reach out to Catholics and keep them listening. They won't hear the truth of the Word by chasing them away. We are to love one another. Disagree with the errors of their teachings, but love the Catholic believer who is seeking after Jesus and wants a deeper relationship with the Master. That is probably why some Catholics are listening to K-love. Bottomline is reaching all for Christ and getting them saved. However, having said all that, K-love and the Catholic TV station have the right do serve who they believe the Lord has called them to serve. Hopefully they've heard from the Lord and are doing HIS will, that's the real bottomline.
A local CCM station in my area doesn't allow any other local pastor to buy airtime on that station, they will accept national preachers. Obviously, as this station is owned and operated by a church here they see the other local pastors as competition. Frankly, that station misses out on some solid biblical based preaching by some great local pastors here by being so narrow, but it is their right to do so. I don't agree with their stance and because I disagree with that attitude that is keeping many good preachers off local radio here, I do not financially support that particular station. Unfortunately, they are also the only CCM game in town.
Is the Lord blessed by all this contention, etc ? Probably not. Does it create a stumbling block to nonChristians from coming to Christ, you bet it does. Is there a solution? Sure, listen to the Lord, and allow him to guide each believer in what he or she should be doing and how they are to do what they do. This would include radio/TV stations that claim to be serving Christ. If they've heard from the Lord and are doing what they believe he's guided them to do, then that's what they should be doing, and our opinions on this truly don't matter.
St. Francis of Assisi once gave a one sentence sermon when he said, "Preach the Gospel at all times, if necessary, use words".
Re: I too find this disturbing
Some Baptists groups do not consider United Methodists, Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be saved and have no problem in telling you so.
??? i was raised baptist and i have never heard that. actually baptists have a problem with mormons , jehovahs witnesses, christian science and the worldwide church of god (not the church of god)..because they are false teachings preaching a false jesus. but not with any of the others. and as a former baptist i personally onlt have a problem with catholics on the mary is god thing. and the purgatory thing..and the praying for the dead thing?? i cant find any of this in the bible..<P ID="signature">______________
note to tvland...bring back wkrp!!!</P>
Some Baptists groups do not consider United Methodists, Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be saved and have no problem in telling you so.
??? i was raised baptist and i have never heard that. actually baptists have a problem with mormons , jehovahs witnesses, christian science and the worldwide church of god (not the church of god)..because they are false teachings preaching a false jesus. but not with any of the others. and as a former baptist i personally onlt have a problem with catholics on the mary is god thing. and the purgatory thing..and the praying for the dead thing?? i cant find any of this in the bible..<P ID="signature">______________
note to tvland...bring back wkrp!!!</P>
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rbrucecarter
Guest
Re: I too find this disturbing
They own the stations, they have a right to a mission statement promoting their beliefs.
I, for one, cannot call their denomination "Christian" because they include Moslems among those who are saved, and they joined the United Religions Initiative. Their dogma of celibacy is in direct violation of scripture, and they reap a harvest of homosexuality in the priesthood as a result of being in rebellion to scripture. I will not walk into anything named St. Cyril, because they rewarded his brutal murder of the scholar Hypatia by making him a saint. I am sure Catholics on here will flame me for saying this, but we won't change each other's minds so don't bother. They have a religion, they are free to promote its beliefs as long as they own the stations and adhere to broadcast law. Where I part company with your statements is where you imply I must accept heretical groups into full Christian fellowship as though there were nothing wrong. Denomination exist to satisfy different tastes in worship style. I fellowship freely with them. But when they start contradicting Christ and scripture, they become heretical cults and that is when I cease fellowship.
They own the stations, they have a right to a mission statement promoting their beliefs.
I, for one, cannot call their denomination "Christian" because they include Moslems among those who are saved, and they joined the United Religions Initiative. Their dogma of celibacy is in direct violation of scripture, and they reap a harvest of homosexuality in the priesthood as a result of being in rebellion to scripture. I will not walk into anything named St. Cyril, because they rewarded his brutal murder of the scholar Hypatia by making him a saint. I am sure Catholics on here will flame me for saying this, but we won't change each other's minds so don't bother. They have a religion, they are free to promote its beliefs as long as they own the stations and adhere to broadcast law. Where I part company with your statements is where you imply I must accept heretical groups into full Christian fellowship as though there were nothing wrong. Denomination exist to satisfy different tastes in worship style. I fellowship freely with them. But when they start contradicting Christ and scripture, they become heretical cults and that is when I cease fellowship.
S
scooterodell
Guest
Re: I too find this disturbing
> Some Baptists groups do not consider United Methodists,
> Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be saved and
> have no problem in telling you so.
>
>
> ??? i was raised baptist and i have never heard that.
Not all Baptists are created equal.
I am familiar with the type of Baptists that are very exclusive in their beliefs, and I am familiar with those that are more open to other denominations. Both exist, but there are more of the latter than the former.
> Some Baptists groups do not consider United Methodists,
> Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be saved and
> have no problem in telling you so.
>
>
> ??? i was raised baptist and i have never heard that.
Not all Baptists are created equal.
I am familiar with the type of Baptists that are very exclusive in their beliefs, and I am familiar with those that are more open to other denominations. Both exist, but there are more of the latter than the former.
S
scooterodell
Guest
Re: I too find this disturbing
"Halloran said he and his friends plan to write letters
to the network's major advertisers in an effort to force a
policy change (via Artie Bigley, DXLD)"
www.dxing.com/dxr/dxld3089.htm
That approach isn't likely to work, since K-Love doesn't have advertisers.
"Halloran said he and his friends plan to write letters
to the network's major advertisers in an effort to force a
policy change (via Artie Bigley, DXLD)"
www.dxing.com/dxr/dxld3089.htm
That approach isn't likely to work, since K-Love doesn't have advertisers.
C
ccmfan
Guest
Re: I too find this disturbing
> Some Baptists groups do not consider United Methodists,
> Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be saved and
> have no problem in telling you so.
>
>
> ??? i was raised baptist and i have never heard that.
> actually baptists have a problem with mormons , jehovahs
> witnesses, christian science and the worldwide church of god
> (not the church of god)..because they are false teachings
> preaching a false jesus. but not with any of the others. and
> as a former baptist i personally onlt have a problem with
> catholics on the mary is god thing. and the purgatory
> thing..and the praying for the dead thing?? i cant find any
> of this in the bible..
>
I was brought up (Southern) Baptist as well, although I'm currently attending a Methodist Church. It's mostly Independent Baptists who don't accept anyone who isn't Independent Baptist. A lot of them believe that Southern Baptists are too "liberal." In some cases they don't just come outright and say you have to be Baptist to be saved, but they'll imply that you have to believe exactly like they do on most issues or you're at least out of God's will or at worst unsaved. In a lot of cases these are the same ones who are anti-CCM and push KJV onlyism.
For the most part Southern Baptists accept most other Protestant denominations, although there are a lot that don't accept Catholics. You might run into a few individual Southern Baptists who think you have to be Baptist to be saved, but they're a small minority. Most Baptists agree though that groups like the Mormons, and Jehovah's Witnesses are cults.
> Some Baptists groups do not consider United Methodists,
> Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be saved and
> have no problem in telling you so.
>
>
> ??? i was raised baptist and i have never heard that.
> actually baptists have a problem with mormons , jehovahs
> witnesses, christian science and the worldwide church of god
> (not the church of god)..because they are false teachings
> preaching a false jesus. but not with any of the others. and
> as a former baptist i personally onlt have a problem with
> catholics on the mary is god thing. and the purgatory
> thing..and the praying for the dead thing?? i cant find any
> of this in the bible..
>
I was brought up (Southern) Baptist as well, although I'm currently attending a Methodist Church. It's mostly Independent Baptists who don't accept anyone who isn't Independent Baptist. A lot of them believe that Southern Baptists are too "liberal." In some cases they don't just come outright and say you have to be Baptist to be saved, but they'll imply that you have to believe exactly like they do on most issues or you're at least out of God's will or at worst unsaved. In a lot of cases these are the same ones who are anti-CCM and push KJV onlyism.
For the most part Southern Baptists accept most other Protestant denominations, although there are a lot that don't accept Catholics. You might run into a few individual Southern Baptists who think you have to be Baptist to be saved, but they're a small minority. Most Baptists agree though that groups like the Mormons, and Jehovah's Witnesses are cults.
G
GaryThompson
Guest
Re: I too find this disturbing
I grew up in an "American Baptist" home. My dad was the pastor. Thankfully, he taught us that Jesus is the only requirement for heaven.
I was taught that as long as a Catholic (or anyone else) knows Jesus, they're in.
My dad even taught me that you don't actually have to go to church to be saved. (Gasp) Although, why wouldn't a believer want to be around other believers?
Wait, don't answer that. There are plenty of reasons. =)
But seriously. I'm not anti-church. I'm an active Church memeber. Point is...Jesus plus nothing. He's all you need.
-GT
> > Some Baptists groups do not consider United Methodists,
> > Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be saved
> and
> > have no problem in telling you so.
> >
> >
> > ??? i was raised baptist and i have never heard that.
> > actually baptists have a problem with mormons , jehovahs
> > witnesses, christian science and the worldwide church of
> god
> > (not the church of god)..because they are false teachings
> > preaching a false jesus. but not with any of the others.
> and
> > as a former baptist i personally onlt have a problem with
> > catholics on the mary is god thing. and the purgatory
> > thing..and the praying for the dead thing?? i cant find
> any
> > of this in the bible..
> >
>
> I was brought up (Southern) Baptist as well, although I'm
> currently attending a Methodist Church. It's mostly
> Independent Baptists who don't accept anyone who isn't
> Independent Baptist. A lot of them believe that Southern
> Baptists are too "liberal." In some cases they don't just
> come outright and say you have to be Baptist to be saved,
> but they'll imply that you have to believe exactly like they
> do on most issues or you're at least out of God's will or at
> worst unsaved. In a lot of cases these are the same ones who
> are anti-CCM and push KJV onlyism.
>
> For the most part Southern Baptists accept most other
> Protestant denominations, although there are a lot that
> don't accept Catholics. You might run into a few individual
> Southern Baptists who think you have to be Baptist to be
> saved, but they're a small minority. Most Baptists agree
> though that groups like the Mormons, and Jehovah's Witnesses
> are cults.
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by GaryThompson on 07/29/05 01:49 PM.</FONT></P>
I grew up in an "American Baptist" home. My dad was the pastor. Thankfully, he taught us that Jesus is the only requirement for heaven.
I was taught that as long as a Catholic (or anyone else) knows Jesus, they're in.
My dad even taught me that you don't actually have to go to church to be saved. (Gasp) Although, why wouldn't a believer want to be around other believers?
Wait, don't answer that. There are plenty of reasons. =)
But seriously. I'm not anti-church. I'm an active Church memeber. Point is...Jesus plus nothing. He's all you need.
-GT
> > Some Baptists groups do not consider United Methodists,
> > Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be saved
> and
> > have no problem in telling you so.
> >
> >
> > ??? i was raised baptist and i have never heard that.
> > actually baptists have a problem with mormons , jehovahs
> > witnesses, christian science and the worldwide church of
> god
> > (not the church of god)..because they are false teachings
> > preaching a false jesus. but not with any of the others.
> and
> > as a former baptist i personally onlt have a problem with
> > catholics on the mary is god thing. and the purgatory
> > thing..and the praying for the dead thing?? i cant find
> any
> > of this in the bible..
> >
>
> I was brought up (Southern) Baptist as well, although I'm
> currently attending a Methodist Church. It's mostly
> Independent Baptists who don't accept anyone who isn't
> Independent Baptist. A lot of them believe that Southern
> Baptists are too "liberal." In some cases they don't just
> come outright and say you have to be Baptist to be saved,
> but they'll imply that you have to believe exactly like they
> do on most issues or you're at least out of God's will or at
> worst unsaved. In a lot of cases these are the same ones who
> are anti-CCM and push KJV onlyism.
>
> For the most part Southern Baptists accept most other
> Protestant denominations, although there are a lot that
> don't accept Catholics. You might run into a few individual
> Southern Baptists who think you have to be Baptist to be
> saved, but they're a small minority. Most Baptists agree
> though that groups like the Mormons, and Jehovah's Witnesses
> are cults.
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by GaryThompson on 07/29/05 01:49 PM.</FONT></P>
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ccmfan
Guest
Re: I too find this disturbing
Yeah, I agree that Jesus plus nothing else is all you need, and I believe there are saved Catholics that have done that.
Some churches (like some Independent Baptists and even some Southern Baptists) claim to preach that but are just as guilty as some Catholics of having their own traditions they claim you have to do to either be saved or be a "true Christian" when they try to dictate things like what form of baptism, Bible versions, music, worship styles, and hair and clothes are acceptable.
I think that the people that try to limit who is saved to their own group will be surprised when they get to Heaven and find out that people they thought wouldn't be there because they didn't belong to the "right" denomination are there.
I've said before that for the Independent Baptists that are anti-CCM and KJV Only that I hope when they get to Heaven that their next door neighbor turns out to be a long haired, NIV toting Christian rock singer.
> I grew up in an "American Baptist" home. My dad was the
> pastor. Thankfully, he taught us that Jesus is the only
> requirement for heaven.
>
> I was taught that as long as a Catholic (or anyone else)
> knows Jesus, they're in.
>
> My dad even taught me that you don't actually have to go to
> church to be saved. (Gasp) Although, why wouldn't a believer
> want to be around other believers?
>
> Wait, don't answer that. There are plenty of reasons. =)
>
> But seriously. I'm not anti-church. I'm an active Church
> memeber. Point is...Jesus plus nothing. He's all you need.
>
> -GT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Some Baptists groups do not consider United Methodists,
> > > Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be saved
>
> > and
> > > have no problem in telling you so.
> > >
> > >
> > > ??? i was raised baptist and i have never heard that.
> > > actually baptists have a problem with mormons , jehovahs
>
> > > witnesses, christian science and the worldwide church of
>
> > god
> > > (not the church of god)..because they are false
> teachings
> > > preaching a false jesus. but not with any of the others.
>
> > and
> > > as a former baptist i personally onlt have a problem
> with
> > > catholics on the mary is god thing. and the purgatory
> > > thing..and the praying for the dead thing?? i cant find
> > any
> > > of this in the bible..
> > >
> >
> > I was brought up (Southern) Baptist as well, although I'm
> > currently attending a Methodist Church. It's mostly
> > Independent Baptists who don't accept anyone who isn't
> > Independent Baptist. A lot of them believe that Southern
> > Baptists are too "liberal." In some cases they don't just
> > come outright and say you have to be Baptist to be saved,
> > but they'll imply that you have to believe exactly like
> they
> > do on most issues or you're at least out of God's will or
> at
> > worst unsaved. In a lot of cases these are the same ones
> who
> > are anti-CCM and push KJV onlyism.
> >
> > For the most part Southern Baptists accept most other
> > Protestant denominations, although there are a lot that
> > don't accept Catholics. You might run into a few
> individual
> > Southern Baptists who think you have to be Baptist to be
> > saved, but they're a small minority. Most Baptists agree
> > though that groups like the Mormons, and Jehovah's
> Witnesses
> > are cults.
> >
>
Yeah, I agree that Jesus plus nothing else is all you need, and I believe there are saved Catholics that have done that.
Some churches (like some Independent Baptists and even some Southern Baptists) claim to preach that but are just as guilty as some Catholics of having their own traditions they claim you have to do to either be saved or be a "true Christian" when they try to dictate things like what form of baptism, Bible versions, music, worship styles, and hair and clothes are acceptable.
I think that the people that try to limit who is saved to their own group will be surprised when they get to Heaven and find out that people they thought wouldn't be there because they didn't belong to the "right" denomination are there.
I've said before that for the Independent Baptists that are anti-CCM and KJV Only that I hope when they get to Heaven that their next door neighbor turns out to be a long haired, NIV toting Christian rock singer.
> I grew up in an "American Baptist" home. My dad was the
> pastor. Thankfully, he taught us that Jesus is the only
> requirement for heaven.
>
> I was taught that as long as a Catholic (or anyone else)
> knows Jesus, they're in.
>
> My dad even taught me that you don't actually have to go to
> church to be saved. (Gasp) Although, why wouldn't a believer
> want to be around other believers?
>
> Wait, don't answer that. There are plenty of reasons. =)
>
> But seriously. I'm not anti-church. I'm an active Church
> memeber. Point is...Jesus plus nothing. He's all you need.
>
> -GT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Some Baptists groups do not consider United Methodists,
> > > Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be saved
>
> > and
> > > have no problem in telling you so.
> > >
> > >
> > > ??? i was raised baptist and i have never heard that.
> > > actually baptists have a problem with mormons , jehovahs
>
> > > witnesses, christian science and the worldwide church of
>
> > god
> > > (not the church of god)..because they are false
> teachings
> > > preaching a false jesus. but not with any of the others.
>
> > and
> > > as a former baptist i personally onlt have a problem
> with
> > > catholics on the mary is god thing. and the purgatory
> > > thing..and the praying for the dead thing?? i cant find
> > any
> > > of this in the bible..
> > >
> >
> > I was brought up (Southern) Baptist as well, although I'm
> > currently attending a Methodist Church. It's mostly
> > Independent Baptists who don't accept anyone who isn't
> > Independent Baptist. A lot of them believe that Southern
> > Baptists are too "liberal." In some cases they don't just
> > come outright and say you have to be Baptist to be saved,
> > but they'll imply that you have to believe exactly like
> they
> > do on most issues or you're at least out of God's will or
> at
> > worst unsaved. In a lot of cases these are the same ones
> who
> > are anti-CCM and push KJV onlyism.
> >
> > For the most part Southern Baptists accept most other
> > Protestant denominations, although there are a lot that
> > don't accept Catholics. You might run into a few
> individual
> > Southern Baptists who think you have to be Baptist to be
> > saved, but they're a small minority. Most Baptists agree
> > though that groups like the Mormons, and Jehovah's
> Witnesses
> > are cults.
> >
>
G
GaryThompson
Guest
Re: I too find this disturbing
Larry Norman will be their Heavenly Landlord. =)
> Yeah, I agree that Jesus plus nothing else is all you need,
> and I believe there are saved Catholics that have done that.
>
>
> Some churches (like some Independent Baptists and even some
> Southern Baptists) claim to preach that but are just as
> guilty as some Catholics of having their own traditions they
> claim you have to do to either be saved or be a "true
> Christian" when they try to dictate things like what form of
> baptism, Bible versions, music, worship styles, and hair and
> clothes are acceptable.
>
> I think that the people that try to limit who is saved to
> their own group will be surprised when they get to Heaven
> and find out that people they thought wouldn't be there
> because they didn't belong to the "right" denomination are
> there.
>
> I've said before that for the Independent Baptists that are
> anti-CCM and KJV Only that I hope when they get to Heaven
> that their next door neighbor turns out to be a long haired,
> NIV toting Christian rock singer.
>
>
> > I grew up in an "American Baptist" home. My dad was the
> > pastor. Thankfully, he taught us that Jesus is the only
> > requirement for heaven.
> >
> > I was taught that as long as a Catholic (or anyone else)
> > knows Jesus, they're in.
> >
> > My dad even taught me that you don't actually have to go
> to
> > church to be saved. (Gasp) Although, why wouldn't a
> believer
> > want to be around other believers?
> >
> > Wait, don't answer that. There are plenty of reasons. =)
> >
> > But seriously. I'm not anti-church. I'm an active Church
> > memeber. Point is...Jesus plus nothing. He's all you need.
>
> >
> > -GT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Some Baptists groups do not consider United
> Methodists,
> > > > Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be
> saved
> >
> > > and
> > > > have no problem in telling you so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ??? i was raised baptist and i have never heard that.
> > > > actually baptists have a problem with mormons ,
> jehovahs
> >
> > > > witnesses, christian science and the worldwide church
> of
> >
> > > god
> > > > (not the church of god)..because they are false
> > teachings
> > > > preaching a false jesus. but not with any of the
> others.
> >
> > > and
> > > > as a former baptist i personally onlt have a problem
> > with
> > > > catholics on the mary is god thing. and the purgatory
> > > > thing..and the praying for the dead thing?? i cant
> find
> > > any
> > > > of this in the bible..
> > > >
> > >
> > > I was brought up (Southern) Baptist as well, although
> I'm
> > > currently attending a Methodist Church. It's mostly
> > > Independent Baptists who don't accept anyone who isn't
> > > Independent Baptist. A lot of them believe that Southern
>
> > > Baptists are too "liberal." In some cases they don't
> just
> > > come outright and say you have to be Baptist to be
> saved,
> > > but they'll imply that you have to believe exactly like
> > they
> > > do on most issues or you're at least out of God's will
> or
> > at
> > > worst unsaved. In a lot of cases these are the same ones
>
> > who
> > > are anti-CCM and push KJV onlyism.
> > >
> > > For the most part Southern Baptists accept most other
> > > Protestant denominations, although there are a lot that
> > > don't accept Catholics. You might run into a few
> > individual
> > > Southern Baptists who think you have to be Baptist to be
>
> > > saved, but they're a small minority. Most Baptists agree
>
> > > though that groups like the Mormons, and Jehovah's
> > Witnesses
> > > are cults.
> > >
> >
>
Larry Norman will be their Heavenly Landlord. =)
> Yeah, I agree that Jesus plus nothing else is all you need,
> and I believe there are saved Catholics that have done that.
>
>
> Some churches (like some Independent Baptists and even some
> Southern Baptists) claim to preach that but are just as
> guilty as some Catholics of having their own traditions they
> claim you have to do to either be saved or be a "true
> Christian" when they try to dictate things like what form of
> baptism, Bible versions, music, worship styles, and hair and
> clothes are acceptable.
>
> I think that the people that try to limit who is saved to
> their own group will be surprised when they get to Heaven
> and find out that people they thought wouldn't be there
> because they didn't belong to the "right" denomination are
> there.
>
> I've said before that for the Independent Baptists that are
> anti-CCM and KJV Only that I hope when they get to Heaven
> that their next door neighbor turns out to be a long haired,
> NIV toting Christian rock singer.
>
>
> > I grew up in an "American Baptist" home. My dad was the
> > pastor. Thankfully, he taught us that Jesus is the only
> > requirement for heaven.
> >
> > I was taught that as long as a Catholic (or anyone else)
> > knows Jesus, they're in.
> >
> > My dad even taught me that you don't actually have to go
> to
> > church to be saved. (Gasp) Although, why wouldn't a
> believer
> > want to be around other believers?
> >
> > Wait, don't answer that. There are plenty of reasons. =)
> >
> > But seriously. I'm not anti-church. I'm an active Church
> > memeber. Point is...Jesus plus nothing. He's all you need.
>
> >
> > -GT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Some Baptists groups do not consider United
> Methodists,
> > > > Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be
> saved
> >
> > > and
> > > > have no problem in telling you so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ??? i was raised baptist and i have never heard that.
> > > > actually baptists have a problem with mormons ,
> jehovahs
> >
> > > > witnesses, christian science and the worldwide church
> of
> >
> > > god
> > > > (not the church of god)..because they are false
> > teachings
> > > > preaching a false jesus. but not with any of the
> others.
> >
> > > and
> > > > as a former baptist i personally onlt have a problem
> > with
> > > > catholics on the mary is god thing. and the purgatory
> > > > thing..and the praying for the dead thing?? i cant
> find
> > > any
> > > > of this in the bible..
> > > >
> > >
> > > I was brought up (Southern) Baptist as well, although
> I'm
> > > currently attending a Methodist Church. It's mostly
> > > Independent Baptists who don't accept anyone who isn't
> > > Independent Baptist. A lot of them believe that Southern
>
> > > Baptists are too "liberal." In some cases they don't
> just
> > > come outright and say you have to be Baptist to be
> saved,
> > > but they'll imply that you have to believe exactly like
> > they
> > > do on most issues or you're at least out of God's will
> or
> > at
> > > worst unsaved. In a lot of cases these are the same ones
>
> > who
> > > are anti-CCM and push KJV onlyism.
> > >
> > > For the most part Southern Baptists accept most other
> > > Protestant denominations, although there are a lot that
> > > don't accept Catholics. You might run into a few
> > individual
> > > Southern Baptists who think you have to be Baptist to be
>
> > > saved, but they're a small minority. Most Baptists agree
>
> > > though that groups like the Mormons, and Jehovah's
> > Witnesses
> > > are cults.
> > >
> >
>
Re: I too find this disturbing
jesus gets you to heaven..but it has to be the right jesus!! there are some false ones around..christian science, mormons, jw's..etc..i believe there are catholic christians. but i also believe some never get saved because they dont look to jesus as much as they look at the pope and mary..i work in an area that is almost all catholic. you would be suprised how many of them dont know about salvation. i hear..well i go to confession..i quit doing something in march for a month?? i believe in God..etc...and these people go to church!!
also when i had long hair and toted the niv around the only ones that said i was lost were the local mega church..and it wasnt baptist!! it was non denom...
smashed
> Yeah, I agree that Jesus plus nothing else is all you need,
> and I believe there are saved Catholics that have done that.
>
>
> Some churches (like some Independent Baptists and even some
> Southern Baptists) claim to preach that but are just as
> guilty as some Catholics of having their own traditions they
> claim you have to do to either be saved or be a "true
> Christian" when they try to dictate things like what form of
> baptism, Bible versions, music, worship styles, and hair and
> clothes are acceptable.
>
> I think that the people that try to limit who is saved to
> their own group will be surprised when they get to Heaven
> and find out that people they thought wouldn't be there
> because they didn't belong to the "right" denomination are
> there.
>
> I've said before that for the Independent Baptists that are
> anti-CCM and KJV Only that I hope when they get to Heaven
> that their next door neighbor turns out to be a long haired,
> NIV toting Christian rock singer.
>
>
> > I grew up in an "American Baptist" home. My dad was the
> > pastor. Thankfully, he taught us that Jesus is the only
> > requirement for heaven.
> >
> > I was taught that as long as a Catholic (or anyone else)
> > knows Jesus, they're in.
> >
> > My dad even taught me that you don't actually have to go
> to
> > church to be saved. (Gasp) Although, why wouldn't a
> believer
> > want to be around other believers?
> >
> > Wait, don't answer that. There are plenty of reasons. =)
> >
> > But seriously. I'm not anti-church. I'm an active Church
> > memeber. Point is...Jesus plus nothing. He's all you need.
>
> >
> > -GT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Some Baptists groups do not consider United
> Methodists,
> > > > Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be
> saved
> >
> > > and
> > > > have no problem in telling you so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ??? i was raised baptist and i have never heard that.
> > > > actually baptists have a problem with mormons ,
> jehovahs
> >
> > > > witnesses, christian science and the worldwide church
> of
> >
> > > god
> > > > (not the church of god)..because they are false
> > teachings
> > > > preaching a false jesus. but not with any of the
> others.
> >
> > > and
> > > > as a former baptist i personally onlt have a problem
> > with
> > > > catholics on the mary is god thing. and the purgatory
> > > > thing..and the praying for the dead thing?? i cant
> find
> > > any
> > > > of this in the bible..
> > > >
> > >
> > > I was brought up (Southern) Baptist as well, although
> I'm
> > > currently attending a Methodist Church. It's mostly
> > > Independent Baptists who don't accept anyone who isn't
> > > Independent Baptist. A lot of them believe that Southern
>
> > > Baptists are too "liberal." In some cases they don't
> just
> > > come outright and say you have to be Baptist to be
> saved,
> > > but they'll imply that you have to believe exactly like
> > they
> > > do on most issues or you're at least out of God's will
> or
> > at
> > > worst unsaved. In a lot of cases these are the same ones
>
> > who
> > > are anti-CCM and push KJV onlyism.
> > >
> > > For the most part Southern Baptists accept most other
> > > Protestant denominations, although there are a lot that
> > > don't accept Catholics. You might run into a few
> > individual
> > > Southern Baptists who think you have to be Baptist to be
>
> > > saved, but they're a small minority. Most Baptists agree
>
> > > though that groups like the Mormons, and Jehovah's
> > Witnesses
> > > are cults.
> > >
> >
>
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jesus gets you to heaven..but it has to be the right jesus!! there are some false ones around..christian science, mormons, jw's..etc..i believe there are catholic christians. but i also believe some never get saved because they dont look to jesus as much as they look at the pope and mary..i work in an area that is almost all catholic. you would be suprised how many of them dont know about salvation. i hear..well i go to confession..i quit doing something in march for a month?? i believe in God..etc...and these people go to church!!
also when i had long hair and toted the niv around the only ones that said i was lost were the local mega church..and it wasnt baptist!! it was non denom...
smashed
> Yeah, I agree that Jesus plus nothing else is all you need,
> and I believe there are saved Catholics that have done that.
>
>
> Some churches (like some Independent Baptists and even some
> Southern Baptists) claim to preach that but are just as
> guilty as some Catholics of having their own traditions they
> claim you have to do to either be saved or be a "true
> Christian" when they try to dictate things like what form of
> baptism, Bible versions, music, worship styles, and hair and
> clothes are acceptable.
>
> I think that the people that try to limit who is saved to
> their own group will be surprised when they get to Heaven
> and find out that people they thought wouldn't be there
> because they didn't belong to the "right" denomination are
> there.
>
> I've said before that for the Independent Baptists that are
> anti-CCM and KJV Only that I hope when they get to Heaven
> that their next door neighbor turns out to be a long haired,
> NIV toting Christian rock singer.
>
>
> > I grew up in an "American Baptist" home. My dad was the
> > pastor. Thankfully, he taught us that Jesus is the only
> > requirement for heaven.
> >
> > I was taught that as long as a Catholic (or anyone else)
> > knows Jesus, they're in.
> >
> > My dad even taught me that you don't actually have to go
> to
> > church to be saved. (Gasp) Although, why wouldn't a
> believer
> > want to be around other believers?
> >
> > Wait, don't answer that. There are plenty of reasons. =)
> >
> > But seriously. I'm not anti-church. I'm an active Church
> > memeber. Point is...Jesus plus nothing. He's all you need.
>
> >
> > -GT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Some Baptists groups do not consider United
> Methodists,
> > > > Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be
> saved
> >
> > > and
> > > > have no problem in telling you so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ??? i was raised baptist and i have never heard that.
> > > > actually baptists have a problem with mormons ,
> jehovahs
> >
> > > > witnesses, christian science and the worldwide church
> of
> >
> > > god
> > > > (not the church of god)..because they are false
> > teachings
> > > > preaching a false jesus. but not with any of the
> others.
> >
> > > and
> > > > as a former baptist i personally onlt have a problem
> > with
> > > > catholics on the mary is god thing. and the purgatory
> > > > thing..and the praying for the dead thing?? i cant
> find
> > > any
> > > > of this in the bible..
> > > >
> > >
> > > I was brought up (Southern) Baptist as well, although
> I'm
> > > currently attending a Methodist Church. It's mostly
> > > Independent Baptists who don't accept anyone who isn't
> > > Independent Baptist. A lot of them believe that Southern
>
> > > Baptists are too "liberal." In some cases they don't
> just
> > > come outright and say you have to be Baptist to be
> saved,
> > > but they'll imply that you have to believe exactly like
> > they
> > > do on most issues or you're at least out of God's will
> or
> > at
> > > worst unsaved. In a lot of cases these are the same ones
>
> > who
> > > are anti-CCM and push KJV onlyism.
> > >
> > > For the most part Southern Baptists accept most other
> > > Protestant denominations, although there are a lot that
> > > don't accept Catholics. You might run into a few
> > individual
> > > Southern Baptists who think you have to be Baptist to be
>
> > > saved, but they're a small minority. Most Baptists agree
>
> > > though that groups like the Mormons, and Jehovah's
> > Witnesses
> > > are cults.
> > >
> >
>
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Re: I too find this disturbing
> Larry Norman will be their Heavenly Landlord. =)
???..they will wish they'ed been ready
>
>
> > Yeah, I agree that Jesus plus nothing else is all you
> need,
> > and I believe there are saved Catholics that have done
> that.
> >
> >
> > Some churches (like some Independent Baptists and even
> some
> > Southern Baptists) claim to preach that but are just as
> > guilty as some Catholics of having their own traditions
> they
> > claim you have to do to either be saved or be a "true
> > Christian" when they try to dictate things like what form
> of
> > baptism, Bible versions, music, worship styles, and hair
> and
> > clothes are acceptable.
> >
> > I think that the people that try to limit who is saved to
> > their own group will be surprised when they get to Heaven
> > and find out that people they thought wouldn't be there
> > because they didn't belong to the "right" denomination are
>
> > there.
> >
> > I've said before that for the Independent Baptists that
> are
> > anti-CCM and KJV Only that I hope when they get to Heaven
> > that their next door neighbor turns out to be a long
> haired,
> > NIV toting Christian rock singer.
> >
> >
> > > I grew up in an "American Baptist" home. My dad was the
> > > pastor. Thankfully, he taught us that Jesus is the only
> > > requirement for heaven.
> > >
> > > I was taught that as long as a Catholic (or anyone else)
>
> > > knows Jesus, they're in.
> > >
> > > My dad even taught me that you don't actually have to go
>
> > to
> > > church to be saved. (Gasp) Although, why wouldn't a
> > believer
> > > want to be around other believers?
> > >
> > > Wait, don't answer that. There are plenty of reasons. =)
>
> > >
> > > But seriously. I'm not anti-church. I'm an active Church
>
> > > memeber. Point is...Jesus plus nothing. He's all you
> need.
> >
> > >
> > > -GT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Some Baptists groups do not consider United
> > Methodists,
> > > > > Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be
> > saved
> > >
> > > > and
> > > > > have no problem in telling you so.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ??? i was raised baptist and i have never heard
> that.
> > > > > actually baptists have a problem with mormons ,
> > jehovahs
> > >
> > > > > witnesses, christian science and the worldwide
> church
> > of
> > >
> > > > god
> > > > > (not the church of god)..because they are false
> > > teachings
> > > > > preaching a false jesus. but not with any of the
> > others.
> > >
> > > > and
> > > > > as a former baptist i personally onlt have a problem
>
> > > with
> > > > > catholics on the mary is god thing. and the
> purgatory
> > > > > thing..and the praying for the dead thing?? i cant
> > find
> > > > any
> > > > > of this in the bible..
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I was brought up (Southern) Baptist as well, although
> > I'm
> > > > currently attending a Methodist Church. It's mostly
> > > > Independent Baptists who don't accept anyone who isn't
>
> > > > Independent Baptist. A lot of them believe that
> Southern
> >
> > > > Baptists are too "liberal." In some cases they don't
> > just
> > > > come outright and say you have to be Baptist to be
> > saved,
> > > > but they'll imply that you have to believe exactly
> like
> > > they
> > > > do on most issues or you're at least out of God's will
>
> > or
> > > at
> > > > worst unsaved. In a lot of cases these are the same
> ones
> >
> > > who
> > > > are anti-CCM and push KJV onlyism.
> > > >
> > > > For the most part Southern Baptists accept most other
> > > > Protestant denominations, although there are a lot
> that
> > > > don't accept Catholics. You might run into a few
> > > individual
> > > > Southern Baptists who think you have to be Baptist to
> be
> >
> > > > saved, but they're a small minority. Most Baptists
> agree
> >
> > > > though that groups like the Mormons, and Jehovah's
> > > Witnesses
> > > > are cults.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> Larry Norman will be their Heavenly Landlord. =)
???
..they will wish they'ed been ready >
>
> > Yeah, I agree that Jesus plus nothing else is all you
> need,
> > and I believe there are saved Catholics that have done
> that.
> >
> >
> > Some churches (like some Independent Baptists and even
> some
> > Southern Baptists) claim to preach that but are just as
> > guilty as some Catholics of having their own traditions
> they
> > claim you have to do to either be saved or be a "true
> > Christian" when they try to dictate things like what form
> of
> > baptism, Bible versions, music, worship styles, and hair
> and
> > clothes are acceptable.
> >
> > I think that the people that try to limit who is saved to
> > their own group will be surprised when they get to Heaven
> > and find out that people they thought wouldn't be there
> > because they didn't belong to the "right" denomination are
>
> > there.
> >
> > I've said before that for the Independent Baptists that
> are
> > anti-CCM and KJV Only that I hope when they get to Heaven
> > that their next door neighbor turns out to be a long
> haired,
> > NIV toting Christian rock singer.
> >
> >
> > > I grew up in an "American Baptist" home. My dad was the
> > > pastor. Thankfully, he taught us that Jesus is the only
> > > requirement for heaven.
> > >
> > > I was taught that as long as a Catholic (or anyone else)
>
> > > knows Jesus, they're in.
> > >
> > > My dad even taught me that you don't actually have to go
>
> > to
> > > church to be saved. (Gasp) Although, why wouldn't a
> > believer
> > > want to be around other believers?
> > >
> > > Wait, don't answer that. There are plenty of reasons. =)
>
> > >
> > > But seriously. I'm not anti-church. I'm an active Church
>
> > > memeber. Point is...Jesus plus nothing. He's all you
> need.
> >
> > >
> > > -GT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Some Baptists groups do not consider United
> > Methodists,
> > > > > Lutherans, Prebyrterians, or Roman Catholics to be
> > saved
> > >
> > > > and
> > > > > have no problem in telling you so.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ??? i was raised baptist and i have never heard
> that.
> > > > > actually baptists have a problem with mormons ,
> > jehovahs
> > >
> > > > > witnesses, christian science and the worldwide
> church
> > of
> > >
> > > > god
> > > > > (not the church of god)..because they are false
> > > teachings
> > > > > preaching a false jesus. but not with any of the
> > others.
> > >
> > > > and
> > > > > as a former baptist i personally onlt have a problem
>
> > > with
> > > > > catholics on the mary is god thing. and the
> purgatory
> > > > > thing..and the praying for the dead thing?? i cant
> > find
> > > > any
> > > > > of this in the bible..
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I was brought up (Southern) Baptist as well, although
> > I'm
> > > > currently attending a Methodist Church. It's mostly
> > > > Independent Baptists who don't accept anyone who isn't
>
> > > > Independent Baptist. A lot of them believe that
> Southern
> >
> > > > Baptists are too "liberal." In some cases they don't
> > just
> > > > come outright and say you have to be Baptist to be
> > saved,
> > > > but they'll imply that you have to believe exactly
> like
> > > they
> > > > do on most issues or you're at least out of God's will
>
> > or
> > > at
> > > > worst unsaved. In a lot of cases these are the same
> ones
> >
> > > who
> > > > are anti-CCM and push KJV onlyism.
> > > >
> > > > For the most part Southern Baptists accept most other
> > > > Protestant denominations, although there are a lot
> that
> > > > don't accept Catholics. You might run into a few
> > > individual
> > > > Southern Baptists who think you have to be Baptist to
> be
> >
> > > > saved, but they're a small minority. Most Baptists
> agree
> >
> > > > though that groups like the Mormons, and Jehovah's
> > > Witnesses
> > > > are cults.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: I too find this disturbing
I think, as is showing up here in this discussion, that in each Christian denomination and non-denomoinatial church you will find:
a remnant of believers who are sold out on fire for Christ people, the real folks who are born again and have a real relationship with the living Christ. This is the real church.
You will also find, in each of these churches those who play "churchianity" where they show up regular, and may even be able to quote scripture to you,etc, but it's simply "head knowledge" and it hasn't moved into their heart (spirit).
Then there is the E and C "Christians" who only seem to think of the Lord at Easter and Christmas and who think they've done a great thing by showing up twice a year when they put a $5.00 bill in the collection plate. Then complain to the pastor after the service that they had a hard time finding a parking spot as they request he build a larger parking lot and that had to sit in a folding chair in the back, as he requests the church be enlarged to hold the crowd, etc.
You will also find, the "holier than thou" crowd who believe their exact version of following Jesus is the only way it can be done, so that if you sprinkle that's not good enough, or if you dunk, that's not good enough, etc, etc. Bottom line is: The Jesus of the Bible + nothing else = SALVATION. Everything else is trappings we as people add.
Unfortunately, these other types of "Christians" are what the world and especially the news media seem to focus upon.
Unfortunately, no denomination is perfect, but then that's good, because we all are fallen and none of us are perfect. So if perfection was demanded, none of us could attend or be saved. Thankfully, the Lord takes us just as we are and makes us clean, if we give him permission to do so. In spite of ourselves Jesus still loves us and still wants all to be saved.
> I don't know that evangelicals worship Jesus as much as they
> worship the Bible, taking certain highly selected portions
> very literally.
>
I think, as is showing up here in this discussion, that in each Christian denomination and non-denomoinatial church you will find:
a remnant of believers who are sold out on fire for Christ people, the real folks who are born again and have a real relationship with the living Christ. This is the real church.
You will also find, in each of these churches those who play "churchianity" where they show up regular, and may even be able to quote scripture to you,etc, but it's simply "head knowledge" and it hasn't moved into their heart (spirit).
Then there is the E and C "Christians" who only seem to think of the Lord at Easter and Christmas and who think they've done a great thing by showing up twice a year when they put a $5.00 bill in the collection plate. Then complain to the pastor after the service that they had a hard time finding a parking spot as they request he build a larger parking lot and that had to sit in a folding chair in the back, as he requests the church be enlarged to hold the crowd, etc.
You will also find, the "holier than thou" crowd who believe their exact version of following Jesus is the only way it can be done, so that if you sprinkle that's not good enough, or if you dunk, that's not good enough, etc, etc. Bottom line is: The Jesus of the Bible + nothing else = SALVATION. Everything else is trappings we as people add.
Unfortunately, these other types of "Christians" are what the world and especially the news media seem to focus upon.
Unfortunately, no denomination is perfect, but then that's good, because we all are fallen and none of us are perfect. So if perfection was demanded, none of us could attend or be saved. Thankfully, the Lord takes us just as we are and makes us clean, if we give him permission to do so. In spite of ourselves Jesus still loves us and still wants all to be saved.
> I don't know that evangelicals worship Jesus as much as they
> worship the Bible, taking certain highly selected portions
> very literally.
>
Re: I too find this disturbing
Let's just say that all my life, I've listened on the radio and TV, and sometimes in person, to the evangelicals and fundamentalists scream at the top of their lungs about being "the only ones who are right", "the only ones who truly love Jesus"., "the only ones who believe every word of the Bible exactly as written (they don't), etc. It's taken all this time for me to figure out how little evang/fund doctrine actually has to do with Jesus..in fact "dispensationalists" don't believe that what Jesus actually said has any bearing, because he was speaking in a different "dispensation". No, only the harshest words of Paul and some Old Testament verses actually apply, the more legalistic the better. I might believe these folks worship the Bible (selected portions of it)but that's as far as it goes.<P ID="signature">______________
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Let's just say that all my life, I've listened on the radio and TV, and sometimes in person, to the evangelicals and fundamentalists scream at the top of their lungs about being "the only ones who are right", "the only ones who truly love Jesus"., "the only ones who believe every word of the Bible exactly as written (they don't), etc. It's taken all this time for me to figure out how little evang/fund doctrine actually has to do with Jesus..in fact "dispensationalists" don't believe that what Jesus actually said has any bearing, because he was speaking in a different "dispensation". No, only the harshest words of Paul and some Old Testament verses actually apply, the more legalistic the better. I might believe these folks worship the Bible (selected portions of it)but that's as far as it goes.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: I too find this disturbing
> I wondering when they ever ran a promo for a local
> non-profit on one of the stations. Must be refering to the
> website...
>
There aren't many, but I've heard local promo spots. Of course, if your K-Love affiliate IDs as KLOV-FM, you won't be hearing anything local.<P ID="signature">______________
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> I wondering when they ever ran a promo for a local
> non-profit on one of the stations. Must be refering to the
> website...
>
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