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I guess Cumulus is hanging on to The Bone

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KISS Middayer Alexis Heads To KDBN
COX Active Rock KISS/SAN ANTONIO middayer ALEXIS exits to similar duties at CUMULUS Classic Rocker KDBN/DALLAS.
 
I understand wanting to be in a major market...but I dunno if I'd leave a station as solid as KISS to go to a station as shake as the Bone. It's not like San Antonio is Waco or Lufkin...and KISS is just a legendary rock station.
 
San Antonio is not exactly a paradise market and KISS USED to be a lot better than they have been many moons ago. Perhaps her Bone stop is a stepping stone to a better market later.
 
Are you kidding me? San Antonio is one of the hottest markets for rock in the nation and KISS is a heritage station. KISS is 4th in the market...the Bone is 25th. "A better market later" you say. Hmmmmm. If she is a rock jock....there are not many better markets for rock, seeing as how Dallas is number 5.
 
Dallas compared to San Antonio is comparing Christmas to Memorial day. SA can have a number 1 station,number 5 ,etc. over all does not hold a candle To Dallas ,Houston,or OKC. There are not many good stations there. KONO and KKYX are the best sounding though the listenership would prefer cow flatulence to a decent sounding station.

"She" saw an avenue to get out of SA and the Bone made her an offer . She probably knows the Bone has its problems but on a resume' ..she worked in Dallas,thus her stepping stone to something better.

Comparing Dallas' worst station to San Antonio's best is as different as day and night,only the the night is south of the Colorado river.
 
klifhanger said:
Dallas compared to San Antonio is comparing Christmas to Memorial day. SA can have a number 1 station,number 5 ,etc. over all does not hold a candle To Dallas ,Houston,or OKC. There are not many good stations there. KONO and KKYX are the best sounding though the listenership would prefer cow flatulence to a decent sounding station.

"She" saw an avenue to get out of SA and the Bone made her an offer . She probably knows the Bone has its problems but on a resume' ..she worked in Dallas,thus her stepping stone to something better.

Comparing Dallas' worst station to San Antonio's best is as different as day and night,only the the night is south of the Colorado river.
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be sure and tell her that when she's out of a job in a year cause the Bone goes in a "different direction" yet again...Dallas is market 5...SA is 36 or whatever. But market size isn't everything. Look at ratings, turnover, GMs, PDs, staff, talk to record folk about personalities, etc etc etc...You'd be HARD PRESSED to find anyone that says the Bone is a better station than KISS. Just because DALLLLLLASSS is on the resume doesn't solidify a 2nd listen of the aircheck to the PDs desk when you seek the next gig. The point I was originally trying to make is that the Bone's missteps the last couple years negate the perceived advantage of market size IMO. And I say perceived because you very well MAY have more people listening to KISS in SA than the Bone in Dallas. If you are a good jock, you're a good jock and better opportunities will come along. The best jobs are not ALWAYS the 1st offered in the biggest markets. It's allllllllllll relative. I don't see many people flying across the street to work for Cumulus. And for the record...I haven't been fired by Cumulus, or ever worked in SA.
 
Back to "Klif".Again, wrong. Dallas being in the top 10 puts it under the microscope. PD's know all about the situation at The Bone and unlike "you" are not blinded by the fact that the market just happens to be in the top 10. Also, it is a known fact that Dallas is not a great radio market(especially where rock is concerned). I have not gone back to check, but I feel sure that you are one of the many on this board who constantly complain about how crappy radio in Dallas tends to be and how a true rock station is nowhere to be found. If you had truly worked in radio in Dallas, you would know more than anyone that being in market 5 does NOT automatically mean making big bucks or landing a new gig in the top 4.
 
Nomansland Your "ass"umption is wrong about me in regards to Dallas. I have worked in Dallas radio for quite some time, and continue to do so "nuff said. SA radio OVERALL is worse than Dallas. No I do not believe having the #5 position alone makes it better than SA and yes I am aware of the Pay( duh, who isn't?). Performance from the individual counts, but in this corp world of radio so does market size..period! Thus the resume' reference. The Dallas market like so many markets is assembly line radio and drowning in talk formats, spanish language formats, plus country. San Antonio is worse. The only real talent there is on KONO and KKYX.

Something innovative needs to happen! I am not a fan of AAA,BUT there is a market for it here.
 
I'm not sure I'd want to work for a PD who would hire me just because I came from the #5 market. It would indicate to me that he's not really listening.
 
johnqdoe said:
klifhanger said:
Dallas compared to San Antonio is comparing Christmas to Memorial day. SA can have a number 1 station,number 5 ,etc. over all does not hold a candle To Dallas ,Houston,or OKC. There are not many good stations there. KONO and KKYX are the best sounding though the listenership would prefer cow flatulence to a decent sounding station.

"She" saw an avenue to get out of SA and the Bone made her an offer . She probably knows the Bone has its problems but on a resume' ..she worked in Dallas,thus her stepping stone to something better.

Comparing Dallas' worst station to San Antonio's best is as different as day and night,only the the night is south of the Colorado river.
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As somebody who's done a fair amount of plowing throughs T&R's, I'm much more likely to throw in the tape (well, CD these days) of someone in a major market than a small market. You may be the best jock ever in Abilene, but you know what? You're in Abilene.

Maybe this Alexis chick knows that the higher up on the market food chain you are, the better your chances generally of getting your tape listened to...




be sure and tell her that when she's out of a job in a year cause the Bone goes in a "different direction" yet again...Dallas is market 5...SA is 36 or whatever. But market size isn't everything. Look at ratings, turnover, GMs, PDs, staff, talk to record folk about personalities, etc etc etc...You'd be HARD PRESSED to find anyone that says the Bone is a better station than KISS. Just because DALLLLLLASSS is on the resume doesn't solidify a 2nd listen of the aircheck to the PDs desk when you seek the next gig. The point I was originally trying to make is that the Bone's missteps the last couple years negate the perceived advantage of market size IMO. And I say perceived because you very well MAY have more people listening to KISS in SA than the Bone in Dallas. If you are a good jock, you're a good jock and better opportunities will come along. The best jobs are not ALWAYS the 1st offered in the biggest markets. It's allllllllllll relative. I don't see many people flying across the street to work for Cumulus. And for the record...I haven't been fired by Cumulus, or ever worked in SA.
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Little1 hit the nail right on the head. Having the big city at the top of the resume pretty much guarantees an open minded listen.

I've never worked in Dallas, but when I was doing the jock thing, I did spend some time in Austin and a few similarly sized markets around the country.

When I started sending tapes out from Austin in 2000, the response was overwhelming. I was approached about several positions, including several in larger markets. Fast forward a few years - I decided to take a PD job in a smaller market and took the station to a 10.1 P12+ the first book, a 10.6 P12+ the second book and a 9.8 P12+ the third book (imagine what we had in the demo!)

I decided to start looking again after a few years there - not just at PD opportunities, but at non management on-air and creative services positions in the top 50 markets. That time the interest was definitely UNDERwhelming. I'd sent several packages to consultants and they all wanted me to take another small market PD job - which isn't at all what I wanted to do.

I was approached by one Dallas OM about an MD job. I did a phone interview and I'm pretty sure I blew it when he asked the question "So - what makes you think you're ready for the big time?" I didn't have a good answer at the time. The right answer hit me about 5 minutes after our conversation...

I was already doing "big time" radio - that's why my station hovered in the 10 share range and I had literally cut my competition in half in a year.

So Mr. OM, if you happen to be reading this - there's the right answer - about a year and 5 minutes too late!

But yes - my own experience indicates there is some pretty serious market size bias. Was I more talented or experienced in 2000 than in 2005? Of course not - but the last station I had worked at was in market 180 something - not market 40 something.
 
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