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i hate digital tv

Word! said:
Seriously makes me either want cable, which is too expensive, or just turn off the tv.
You don't have to pay those outrageous prices for CNN and ESPN and all that stuff. Or do you? Surely you have a basic package available with just broadcast channels and a few extras like public access.
 
Word! said:
DX so does this mean instead of doing a auto-scan, just have each channel manually "open" to a signal? That can make sense to me to be able to just channel flip. Still, I simply miss analog dx, looking thru the static.

Most digital TVs, directly selecting a RF channel will scan just that channel. Many of them have a signal meter, which will tell you whether there's a signal present that might eventually decode.

SOme of the converter boxes, you can leave them tuned to a RF channel & if a signal shows up, it will hold the station's information (usually including the call letters) until some other station is tuned in.

Sounda like the Canadian switch is confusing. Probably would go alot smoother if it was just simply mandated at a date.

Given cable penetration rates well above 90% in essentially every market except Windsor, I don't think most viewers will notice either way. Basically the game is, having an OTA signal guarantees you a preferential position on cable. If anyone happens to actually *watch* the OTA signal, well, that's just a bonus...

Even before this policy was announced, the stations have already strongly suggested (stated outright, in a number of cases) that they have no intention of converting their relay transmitters. Heck, a couple of stations have surrendered their licences & gone off the air, some in markets as large as Calgary & Edmonton. I think the government would rather the stations converted, but they can't force them to convert if the stations are willing to go dark instead.
 
we are having an freezing rain storm here now and most of my digital channels wont come in without interfearence.say what you will about how much beter it looks it doesn`t help much if the signal won`t come in right.this kind of weather did not effect analog.

they did not think the whole thing through.we should have kept tv as analog.i would have reception for each channel then.
 
flashback said:
we are having an freezing rain storm here now and most of my digital channels wont come in without interfearence.say what you will about how much beter it looks it doesn`t help much if the signal won`t come in right.this kind of weather did not effect analog.

they did not think the whole thing through.we should have kept tv as analog.i would have reception for each channel then.

Ahhhhh, but the cable/satellite companies must be licking their monetary chops!

cd
 
cd637299 said:
flashback said:
we are having an freezing rain storm here now and most of my digital channels wont come in without interfearence.say what you will about how much beter it looks it doesn`t help much if the signal won`t come in right.this kind of weather did not effect analog.

they did not think the whole thing through.we should have kept tv as analog.i would have reception for each channel then.

Ahhhhh, but the cable/satellite companies must be licking their monetary chops!

cd

as we wait for the dishes to die as the ice accumulates at the feedpoint, and for cable to go down as the cables are coated in ice.....
 
down here when it snowed or rained really hard it was interesting to see the cable get ghosting.

as for the dish, back when it snowed 6 inches down here in Texas I had to go outside and knock the snow off the dish.
 
LibertyNT said:
down here when it snowed or rained really hard it was interesting to see the cable get ghosting.

If that happens, then water is probably getting into one or more of the connectors, causing reflections in the signal. Call your cable company.
 
flashback said:
we are having an freezing rain storm here now and most of my digital channels wont come in without interfearence.say what you will about how much beter it looks it doesn`t help much if the signal won`t come in right.this kind of weather did not effect analog.

We had light freezing rain here last night, and I had some difficulty getting KOMU 8, which is on DT-8. I live about 20 miles from the tower, and I was eventually able to decode it. I had to do some acrobatics with my rabbit ears, though!

I got to wondering if KOMU had some of the same problems we had at some of the various radio stations I've worked at. AM antennas become detuned when coated with ice. FM bays start having problems with power getting reflected back to the transmitter if too much ice builds up on them. If the station runs an older transmitter, reflected power not only ramps up the plate current but can burn the filaments. If that happens, you'll need major repairs to get back on the air. So, the solution is to frequently check your transmitter readings and cut power if you notice a substantial jump in plate current. Some transmitters also give you the ability to check for reflected power, and you cut power if the reflected power gets too high.

Of course, when you cut power, you can start getting complaints from listeners further away who can no longer hear your signal as well. Since this is less of a problem with solid-state transmitters, I didn't figure it would be much of a problems with digital TV. I started to wonder after last night, though.
 
Kent said:
flashback said:
we are having an freezing rain storm here now and most of my digital channels wont come in without interfearence.say what you will about how much beter it looks it doesn`t help much if the signal won`t come in right.this kind of weather did not effect analog.

We had light freezing rain here last night, and I had some difficulty getting KOMU 8, which is on DT-8. I live about 20 miles from the tower, and I was eventually able to decode it. I had to do some acrobatics with my rabbit ears, though!

I got to wondering if KOMU had some of the same problems we had at some of the various radio stations I've worked at. AM antennas become detuned when coated with ice. FM bays start having problems with power getting reflected back to the transmitter if too much ice builds up on them. If the station runs an older transmitter, reflected power not only ramps up the plate current but can burn the filaments. If that happens, you'll need major repairs to get back on the air. So, the solution is to frequently check your transmitter readings and cut power if you notice a substantial jump in plate current. Some transmitters also give you the ability to check for reflected power, and you cut power if the reflected power gets too high.

Of course, when you cut power, you can start getting complaints from listeners further away who can no longer hear your signal as well. Since this is less of a problem with solid-state transmitters, I didn't figure it would be much of a problems with digital TV. I started to wonder after last night, though.
During freezing precipitation I've noticed one station gives me a lot of difficulty and I have to switch to cable. Maybe this explains it.
 
Kent said:
FM bays start having problems with power getting reflected back to the transmitter if too much ice builds up on them.

Not to mention the possibility of the weight of the ice flat-out bringing the antenna and tower down, such as what happened to the WAND-TV Decatur IL and the late WJJY-TV Jacksonville IL towers in 1978.
 
Kent said:
FM bays start having problems with power getting reflected back to the transmitter if too much ice builds up on them. If the station runs an older transmitter, reflected power not only ramps up the plate current but can burn the filaments. If that happens, you'll need major repairs to get back on the air. So, the solution is to frequently check your transmitter readings and cut power if you notice a substantial jump in plate current. Some transmitters also give you the ability to check for reflected power, and you cut power if the reflected power gets too high.

Wouldn't the engineer have an SWR meter in-line as a matter of course?
 
vchimpanzee said:
Word! said:
Seriously makes me either want cable, which is too expensive, or just turn off the tv.
You don't have to pay those outrageous prices for CNN and ESPN and all that stuff. Or do you? Surely you have a basic package available with just broadcast channels and a few extras like public access.

i for one have no desire to pay for cable tv at all any more.

i prefer over the air broadcasting.

the way over the air signals ate not dependable with dtv if i was a conspiracy person i would think it was a plan to get more people to pay for tv.
 
landtuna said:
Wouldn't the engineer have an SWR meter in-line as a matter of course?

Many of them do, but many don't. Within the last 10 years, I worked at a cluster of 7 stations, and you could check the VSWR on two of them. The engineers were the backup if VSWR got too high, but they relied on the airstaff first because the stations were still attended 24/7. Also, the FM's that weren't running solid state transmitters would either shut down or automatically lower power if plate current or VSWR got too high.

Of course, many stations also have antenna deicers, though I seem to remember they're not a cure all for ice buildup on the transmitter. I'm assuming that would be true for TV stations, too.
 
I have a love seat, not a sofa. The room's too small for a real sofa. At least with the furniture my parents were putting there.

But I was getting ready to sit down on the nice comfortable love seat to watch the Super Bowl, with plenty of reading material for the breaks, when I turned the TV on and had no sound, and stripes across the picture.

So I went in the other room and turned on the TV hooked up to cable, where I had planned to record "America's Funniest Home Videos" in case I hadn't seen all or part of the episode. TiVo, which can record two shows at once, was otherwise committed (though Andy Rooney wasn't on anyway; I could have cancelled 7-8 where I never know what Fox is going to do, but seeing as how I might miss some detail on one of the commercials it was a good idea to keep that planned recording).

The chair in there isn't even comfortable, though I could use the chair someone gave my father, I guess. It's just so hard top move and piled high with boxes.

And the overhead light isn't good for reading. I had a lamp beside me in the other room. I chose to have DTV in there because it's the ideal place, though apparently not ideal enough. I could have made adjustments but didn't want to mess up the perfect signals on My Network or CBS, or what I assume I get on ABC.

The other converter box has the same channel, but there's no place to sit and that channel messes up sometimes.
 
I've talked to people in my town about this quite a bit. Granted,
most of these people aren't experts on the proper antenna or converter
box; all I know is that, before digital, we had WFMY/2, WUNC/4, WRAL/5,
WGHP/8, WTVD/11, WNCN/17, WLFL/22/ WRDC/28, WUVC/40, WRPX/47, and WRAZ/50.
For the town as a whole, we had two CBS stations (2 and 5), one PBS (4),
two Fox (8 and 50), one ABC (11), one NBC (17), one CW (22), one MyNetwork
(28), one Univision (40), and one ION (47). All of that was OTA, and many people
here are on fixed incomes and cannot afford cable or satellite. Most people tell
me all they can get now are WRAL and WGHP.

And I miss the ability to, as they said in the days of old-time radio, DX: I could
pull in WXII/12 (NBC), WGPX/16 (ION), and WCWG/20 (CW) from the Triad; WDBJ/7 (CBS),
WSLS/10 (NBC), and WSET/13 (ABC) from Roanoke/Lynchburg; WECT/6 (NBC) from Wilmington,
NC; WNCT/9 (CBS) from Greenville, NC; and WBTW/13 (CBS) from Florence, SC--even pulled
in WTVR/6 (CBS) from Richmond once.
 
Last night during the first and third hours of the Grammys, as well as the fourth hour:

Three, maybe four times the picture got messed up. A few other times I just saw a stripe or two--though one of those times was during Barbra Streisand's performance!

A couple of the times the signal got messed up I actually heard a car go by, but some cars went by with no effects.

Occasionally the sound would go out briefly as if there was profanity.

No, I'm not counting Eminem or Aracade Fire's acceptance speech.

Overall, good results. I've had better.
 
I have heard a lot about this Jeopardy/IBM Watson show this week, but I can't watch it tonight because I can't get WTVD or WBTW since the switch.
Oh well. Their loss.
 
quadraphonic said:
I have heard a lot about this Jeopardy/IBM Watson show this week, but I can't watch it tonight because I can't get WTVD or WBTW since the switch.
Oh well. Their loss.
Well, it was quite entertaining. I watched on cable.
 
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