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I have a couple of questions.
- Thread starter TVCOOL
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CBS still has two daytime game shows: "The Price Is Right" and "Let's
Make A Deal." And if you live in New York or Philadelphia (among other
places) the ABC o&o has "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire."
Some people might trace the start of "trash talk shows" to Phil Donahue,
but I think it really took off in the '90s, especially with Maury Povich and
Jerry Springer.
CBS and NBC, at least, still have cartoons on Saturday mornings; CBS's
come mostly from Canada's Nelvana, if I'm not mistaken. The E/I rules
killed off a lot of cartoons, simply because they didn't qualify as educational
or informative (and in the case of Bugs Bunny, not only did he not meet the
E/I requirement, his was a Warner Brothers show airing on the Disney-owned
network, plus Cartoon Network got the rights to the Warner Brothers cartoon
library).
Saturday night as a dumping ground for reruns has been going on since about
the mid-2000s; "Cops" is the only show on Saturday nights that attracts an
18-49-year-old audience (I'm even hearing of people in their 40s watching Lawrence
Welk on PBS for lack of anything better to watch).
Make A Deal." And if you live in New York or Philadelphia (among other
places) the ABC o&o has "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire."
Some people might trace the start of "trash talk shows" to Phil Donahue,
but I think it really took off in the '90s, especially with Maury Povich and
Jerry Springer.
CBS and NBC, at least, still have cartoons on Saturday mornings; CBS's
come mostly from Canada's Nelvana, if I'm not mistaken. The E/I rules
killed off a lot of cartoons, simply because they didn't qualify as educational
or informative (and in the case of Bugs Bunny, not only did he not meet the
E/I requirement, his was a Warner Brothers show airing on the Disney-owned
network, plus Cartoon Network got the rights to the Warner Brothers cartoon
library).
Saturday night as a dumping ground for reruns has been going on since about
the mid-2000s; "Cops" is the only show on Saturday nights that attracts an
18-49-year-old audience (I'm even hearing of people in their 40s watching Lawrence
Welk on PBS for lack of anything better to watch).
S
searadiofreak
Guest
The judge shows drive me crazy. Occasionally there is an interesting case with interesting people, but this is not the norm.
BTW, judge shows came out of Los Angeles in the late 50's and 60's, there were many local ones, and some went national. But the number out there today is over the top.
Game shows still have a place, and CBS seems to be a big believer with TPIR, and LMAD. The syndicated offerings are less entertaining. My local market has completely dropped millionaire with Meredith. Why? Not sure. Replaced with a really lame version of Family Feud, with increasingly silly surveys trying to titillate more than try to be intelligent. And this is not intended to be racist, but the new Feud constantly has a black family against a white family. What is that all about?
BTW, judge shows came out of Los Angeles in the late 50's and 60's, there were many local ones, and some went national. But the number out there today is over the top.
Game shows still have a place, and CBS seems to be a big believer with TPIR, and LMAD. The syndicated offerings are less entertaining. My local market has completely dropped millionaire with Meredith. Why? Not sure. Replaced with a really lame version of Family Feud, with increasingly silly surveys trying to titillate more than try to be intelligent. And this is not intended to be racist, but the new Feud constantly has a black family against a white family. What is that all about?
As far as Saturday AM cartoons, I think NBC might have been the first to drop them, perhaps when the Today show expanded to Saturdays. CBS, I think, was the last to air first run scripted Saturday prime time (Walker, The District, and maybe Martial Law) in the 03-04 season.
M
Marckd
Guest
NBC stopped airing Saturday Morning cartoons in August of 1992 with the exception of Wishkid. They kept the teen sitcoms and NBA Inside Stuff. They added Saturday Today. That fall, the last cartoons were gone from NBC. In September of 2006, NBC reinstated cartoons and educational kids shows from Discovery Kids. NBC went to educational cartoons produced by Quobo which they run today 3 hours a week giving affiliates 3 hours of EI programs
CBS stopped airing Saturday Morning Cartoons in the late winter/early Spring of 1997 in favor of a Saturday Morning Newscast and 3 hours of live action and educational kids' shows. In the fall of 2000, CBS reinstated EI Cartoons using shows from sister network Nickelodeon. In 2007, they partnered with DIC and still air 3 hours a week of EI Cartoons.
Fox is a bit unusual. They began Saturday Morning Cartoons 3 hours in Saturday Morning and 30 minutes weekdays in September 1990. In September, 1991, Fox expanded to 4 hours Saturday Mornings and 90 minutes weekdays. In 1992 they expanded 2 and a half hours weekdays. In 1993, they expanded 3 hours weekday afternoons with the option of running one of those hours in mornings. In 1994, Fox ended network cartoons. They made the Fox Kids into a Syndicated group of shows giving affiliates right of first refusal.
When New World owned stations took Fox affiliation, they did not take Fox Kids with a couple exceptions in 1994 and 1995. WHen Savvoy though took Fox affiliation on their 4 stations they did take Fox Kids. When Fox bought a couple ABC stations, they too took Fox Kids. Ed Ansin's Fox station dropped Fox Kids in the Fall of 1993 and opted not to take it either.
Initially, Fox Affiliates HAD TO run it if no other station in the market was willing to take it. O & O stations also had to take it. Then in 1996 the policy changed for O & O stations. They then had the option of putting it on another station willing to take it. So Fox's Greensboro station assigned the Fox Kids to the WB station across town. Fox's Birmingham station slated to Take Fox Kids opted to allow the bumped affiliate WTTO to keep Fox Kids being they were not taking a newtork.
In 2000, Fox decided that even if affiliates could not find a station to take Fox Kids, they would no longer have to run it. They then decided Fox Kids was fully syndicated and no longer part of the network at all. The cut back weekdays to 2 hours. In 2000, it was dropped in Birmingham from WTTO and WBRC did not take it. Also weekdays were dropped in Memphis and St Louis that year and not picked up anywhere. Fox ended Fox Kids altogether at the end of December of 2001 and continued 4 hours of reruns Saturday Mornings. In the Fall of 2001 they partnered with someone else and revamped the Saturday Morning programming as Fox Box initially and by 2005, 4 Kids TV. That continued until December of 2008. Fox instead syndicated 2 hours of Marketing Informercials as "The Marketplace starting in 2009. So Fox totally left Kids programs early in 2009.
ABC continued Satirday Morning Cartoons 5 hours a week until 2003. Beginning in 1997, ABC and Disney Channel partnered running mostly Disney Channel shows on ABC Saturday Mornings and all Disney Channel stuff by 2000. ABC added an hour of Good Morning America Saturday Mornings in September of 2004. They cut the Children's shows from ABC to 4 Hours. In 2006, the Saturday Morning Cartoons were cut back to 3 Hours. While partnering with sister Network Disney Channel, the cartoons were less than half and the shows were mostly live action by then. By 2008, the Saturday Morning shows were all reruns. ABC ended this partnership August 27, 2011. They outsourced these three hours September 3, 2011 to Litton Entertainment. These three hours of shows are educational with a couple shows aimed at kids and others aimed at teens.
So CBS and NBC now are the 2 networks left programming Cartoons on Saturday mornings all EI. Fox has no kids programming at all but O & O stations run the same educational Kids shows. Affiliates also must run 3 hours of EI programs but not from Fox. ABC affiliates are given 3 hours of EI shows as well.
CBS stopped airing Saturday Morning Cartoons in the late winter/early Spring of 1997 in favor of a Saturday Morning Newscast and 3 hours of live action and educational kids' shows. In the fall of 2000, CBS reinstated EI Cartoons using shows from sister network Nickelodeon. In 2007, they partnered with DIC and still air 3 hours a week of EI Cartoons.
Fox is a bit unusual. They began Saturday Morning Cartoons 3 hours in Saturday Morning and 30 minutes weekdays in September 1990. In September, 1991, Fox expanded to 4 hours Saturday Mornings and 90 minutes weekdays. In 1992 they expanded 2 and a half hours weekdays. In 1993, they expanded 3 hours weekday afternoons with the option of running one of those hours in mornings. In 1994, Fox ended network cartoons. They made the Fox Kids into a Syndicated group of shows giving affiliates right of first refusal.
When New World owned stations took Fox affiliation, they did not take Fox Kids with a couple exceptions in 1994 and 1995. WHen Savvoy though took Fox affiliation on their 4 stations they did take Fox Kids. When Fox bought a couple ABC stations, they too took Fox Kids. Ed Ansin's Fox station dropped Fox Kids in the Fall of 1993 and opted not to take it either.
Initially, Fox Affiliates HAD TO run it if no other station in the market was willing to take it. O & O stations also had to take it. Then in 1996 the policy changed for O & O stations. They then had the option of putting it on another station willing to take it. So Fox's Greensboro station assigned the Fox Kids to the WB station across town. Fox's Birmingham station slated to Take Fox Kids opted to allow the bumped affiliate WTTO to keep Fox Kids being they were not taking a newtork.
In 2000, Fox decided that even if affiliates could not find a station to take Fox Kids, they would no longer have to run it. They then decided Fox Kids was fully syndicated and no longer part of the network at all. The cut back weekdays to 2 hours. In 2000, it was dropped in Birmingham from WTTO and WBRC did not take it. Also weekdays were dropped in Memphis and St Louis that year and not picked up anywhere. Fox ended Fox Kids altogether at the end of December of 2001 and continued 4 hours of reruns Saturday Mornings. In the Fall of 2001 they partnered with someone else and revamped the Saturday Morning programming as Fox Box initially and by 2005, 4 Kids TV. That continued until December of 2008. Fox instead syndicated 2 hours of Marketing Informercials as "The Marketplace starting in 2009. So Fox totally left Kids programs early in 2009.
ABC continued Satirday Morning Cartoons 5 hours a week until 2003. Beginning in 1997, ABC and Disney Channel partnered running mostly Disney Channel shows on ABC Saturday Mornings and all Disney Channel stuff by 2000. ABC added an hour of Good Morning America Saturday Mornings in September of 2004. They cut the Children's shows from ABC to 4 Hours. In 2006, the Saturday Morning Cartoons were cut back to 3 Hours. While partnering with sister Network Disney Channel, the cartoons were less than half and the shows were mostly live action by then. By 2008, the Saturday Morning shows were all reruns. ABC ended this partnership August 27, 2011. They outsourced these three hours September 3, 2011 to Litton Entertainment. These three hours of shows are educational with a couple shows aimed at kids and others aimed at teens.
So CBS and NBC now are the 2 networks left programming Cartoons on Saturday mornings all EI. Fox has no kids programming at all but O & O stations run the same educational Kids shows. Affiliates also must run 3 hours of EI programs but not from Fox. ABC affiliates are given 3 hours of EI shows as well.
It'd give them more for infomercial$newsmark said:
Geraldo launched in 1987, pre-dating Povich's and Springer's shows(both of them, and Jenny Jones, launched in '91), but establishing the framework for the more 'confrontational' style of talk shows to come.bpatrick said:
I can't find a date for the national launch of Sally Jessy Raphael's show (it began as a local show in St. Louis in '83), but it most likely went national after Geraldo's show began.
Weren't Springer and Povich originally run of the mill talk shows at first, then they turned into, well what they are today?
And Sally Jesse, if I recall correctly was also pretty run of the mill and Oprah-like at first. What ever happened to her. She seems to have fallen off the face of the Earth. I really liked her radio show
And Sally Jesse, if I recall correctly was also pretty run of the mill and Oprah-like at first. What ever happened to her. She seems to have fallen off the face of the Earth. I really liked her radio show
Mark said:
Yeah, Jerry and Maury were pretty much "run-of-the-mill" in the beginning; Maury's show during the years he was at Paramount (it was around 1997-98 when he switched syndicators to what eventually became NBCUniversal Television Distribution), which was kind of what Oprah's show later evolved into--celebrity interviews, current events, helpful tips, etc. The Jerry Springer Show was near the verge of cancellation before it evolved into what later became. More or less, Maury and Sally Jesse (in her last years) followed through with the same controversial topics--paternity tests and sending dysfunctional kids to boot camp.
The first evidence that I had that Saturday evenings were becoming something of a "washout" was in the summer of 2000. At that time, I was a member of the message board group for the then-recently canceled NBC show Freaks and Geeks. Because of that, I learned that NBC had planned a mini-marathon to "burn off" three previously unaired episodes of the show on a Saturday night in July of 2000. Had it not been for me following the Freaks and Geeks message board, I would have been completely unaware of this mini-marathon, because NBC did absolutely nothing to promote it. Saturday evening network TV in the summertime? A TV graveyard if there ever was one! I watched it that evening, and taped the episodes that aired, but on a typical summertime Saturday evening, I would have been anywhere except parked in front of the TV set!
Interesting discussion, not so much straying from, as it is expanding upon the thread's origional intent.
Maury's show went south once he left Paramount, targeting instead an audience hungry for even more Jerry Springer-style whooz-yer-daddy crap. I've alwarys regretted that move; before that, I thought of Maury as one of daytime TV's best. One of his frequent contributors and an occasional guest, was my high school pal, famed Florida PI, Joe Colligan. Joe, himself a contractee with Paramount, brought a richness to every daytime show he appeared on, including Sally Jesse, Ricky Lake, Montel Williams and the short-lived run of "Vicki" (Lawrence). Ostensibly, he specialized in assisting the host, viewers and audience participants alike, with tips on how to find missing persons, sans the costly services of PI's like himself. He often contacted relatives of the audience during show tapings. Some episodes even featured emotionally moving, surprise on-air reunions with missing persons, arrainged by Joe.
Sally Jesse, as I remember, called it quits because she was just plain tired. To me, she never seemed to reclaim the "fire" after the untimely death of her daughter. Montel has drifted into the world of infomercials, the money-making genre-of-choice of today's TV programmers. Having performing careers in their own rights, Ricky and Vicki seem to be doing well in their post talk show lives.
Maury's show went south once he left Paramount, targeting instead an audience hungry for even more Jerry Springer-style whooz-yer-daddy crap. I've alwarys regretted that move; before that, I thought of Maury as one of daytime TV's best. One of his frequent contributors and an occasional guest, was my high school pal, famed Florida PI, Joe Colligan. Joe, himself a contractee with Paramount, brought a richness to every daytime show he appeared on, including Sally Jesse, Ricky Lake, Montel Williams and the short-lived run of "Vicki" (Lawrence). Ostensibly, he specialized in assisting the host, viewers and audience participants alike, with tips on how to find missing persons, sans the costly services of PI's like himself. He often contacted relatives of the audience during show tapings. Some episodes even featured emotionally moving, surprise on-air reunions with missing persons, arrainged by Joe.
Sally Jesse, as I remember, called it quits because she was just plain tired. To me, she never seemed to reclaim the "fire" after the untimely death of her daughter. Montel has drifted into the world of infomercials, the money-making genre-of-choice of today's TV programmers. Having performing careers in their own rights, Ricky and Vicki seem to be doing well in their post talk show lives.
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