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I KNOW IT IS A LONG-SHOT, BUT...

....what would be the chances of COX killing off both 106.9 and 107.5
and putting a station on 107.1 or 107.3 transmitting from the Missouri City
antenna farm?


Old Chicago
 
Never happen one of the 2 frequencies will be Classic Rock and the other will flip to??? I would love for a classic rap hiphop r&b station
 
OldChicago said:
....what would be the chances of COX killing off both 106.9 and 107.5
and putting a station on 107.1 or 107.3 transmitting from the Missouri City
antenna farm?

I'm not sure that makes much business sense, but if they wanted to do that, it would probably be easier to downgrade 106.9 and then upgrade 107.5, rather than changing frequencies. Also, there is a 107.3 near College Station (and possibly other first and second adjacent stations) that could be short spaced. I don't have time to run data tonight, but I will look at it tomorrow. The good news is that the Class C stations broadcasting from Missouri City should get plenty of power to Lake Jackson to put a 70 dBu over the city so the city-of-license would not need to be changed.
 
OldChicago said:
....what would be the chances of COX killing off both 106.9 and 107.5
and putting a station on 107.1 or 107.3 transmitting from the Missouri City
antenna farm?

The chances are ZERO.

Staggering number of issues with reallocating frequencies and moving other stations. It would take many, many years. And by the time any such scheme was actually implemented, the Eagle format will be dead, and other technologies will have changed the game anyway.

And why would Cox want to give up a station and reduce the overall coverage area of the format?

Face it, the FM band is badly overcrowded, which is why it should be expanded down to 76 MHz. Then we can see some rational realignment of frequency allocations, signal upgrades, and an avenue for LPFM to work.
 
But 107.5 could still be moved to Missouri City and cover the Lake Jackson COL - and Cox could keep 106.9 for whatever purpose they want, such as polka or Icelandic punk.
 
Frog makes some very valid points and as I said yesterday, this kind of move doesn't really make good business sense. The combined 106.9/107.5 signal is much greater than a single signal from Missouri City. And while Missouri City is a very good site, in my opinion, it is overrated. In an ideal world, rather than Missouri City, it would be best to broadcast from a 2000+ foot tower in close proximity of downtown so that you are closer to the metro's center of population. Senior Road is quite far out.

With that said, I ran some numbers and looked at channel spacing just for fun.

Besides Cox's 106.9 (which I'll get to in a moment), the main concerns, based on my brief review, with moving 107.5 to Missouri City are in College Station. 107.3, a Class A, licensed to Caldwell and 107.7, a Class A that is moving from Madisonville to Kurten, which is north of College Station. Both of those stations would be short-spaced to a Class C operating from Missouri City on 107.5. The short-spacing could most likely be solved with 107.5 using a directional antenna.

106.9 would need to either be moved further away from Missouri City and downgraded many classes or the license turned in (Conroe has other aural service at 88.3, 880 and for the time-being 1140, so changing city of license should not be an issue). My first thought was they could perhaps downgrade 106.9 to near College Station and maybe trade it to eliminate at least one of the the short spacing problems. But, there is a new entry in the table of allotments for a Class A in Marquez at 107.1 that would make that more difficult.

The FM band is very crowded and is becoming increasingly more so with each passing year. It's a complex puzzle to pull off almost any meaningful upgrade and it takes so many moves that most are either not worth the effort or are economically unfeasible and will never return a worthwhile investment.
 
Speaking of the Mo City Tower, wasn't there a plan to eventually move 104.9 there? I know KTWL, KPTY, KBUK, KVIC (Soon to be at 104.7), and KKYS are some of the stations on the way. What happened to that plan?
 
Another question of a possible long-shot is whether or not we'll ever hear from KSTB 101.5; despite the effort last year of a short-lived run to possibly save the license, etc., anyone know what's up with that frequency in the Houston area?
 
DJboutit3 said:
Never happen one of the 2 frequencies will be Classic Rock and the other will flip to??? I would love for a classic rap hiphop r&b station

That will never happen neither
 
greenbastard said:
Speaking of the Mo City Tower, wasn't there a plan to eventually move 104.9 there? I know KTWL, KPTY, KBUK, KVIC (Soon to be at 104.7), and KKYS are some of the stations on the way. What happened to that plan?

It was an ambitious (or audacious) plan that turned into one that's now virtually impossible. KTWL and KPTY weren't a problem at all, but then KVIC became an issue. From the beginning KBUK in La Grange prevented a move to Missouri City and it's not going away. Austin's "Horn" on 104.9 has the same problem with having to protect La Grange, and their signal is so bad that someone there referred to it as the "104.9 translator."

fadedglory said:
Another question of a possible long-shot is whether or not we'll ever hear from KSTB 101.5; despite the effort last year of a short-lived run to possibly save the license, etc., anyone know what's up with that frequency in the Houston area?

Well, it's not exactly part the Houston area radio landscape since it's restricted to a tower site just down the road from Rollover Pass. On "no tropo" days they actually made it to the Galveston Ferry landing, so let's be realistic. They should nix the whole idea of trying to get it back on the air and write the whole thing off as a bad experience.
 
Ryan Williams said:
Frog makes some very valid points and as I said yesterday, this kind of move doesn't really make good business sense. The combined 106.9/107.5 signal is much greater than a single signal from Missouri City. And while Missouri City is a very good site, in my opinion, it is overrated. In an ideal world, rather than Missouri City, it would be best to broadcast from a 2000+ foot tower in close proximity of downtown so that you are closer to the metro's center of population. Senior Road is quite far out.

Was there ever any discussion about placing an antenna mast atop one of Houston's skyscrapers (JP Morgan Chase or Transco/Williams) and making it the city's principal broadcast center, much like the Empire State (and previously the WTC) is to NY and the Sears/Willis Tower is to Chicago?
 
marioj said:
Ryan Williams said:
Frog makes some very valid points and as I said yesterday, this kind of move doesn't really make good business sense. The combined 106.9/107.5 signal is much greater than a single signal from Missouri City. And while Missouri City is a very good site, in my opinion, it is overrated. In an ideal world, rather than Missouri City, it would be best to broadcast from a 2000+ foot tower in close proximity of downtown so that you are closer to the metro's center of population. Senior Road is quite far out.

Was there ever any discussion about placing an antenna mast atop one of Houston's skyscrapers (JP Morgan Chase or Transco/Williams) and making it the city's principal broadcast center, much like the Empire State (and previously the WTC) is to NY and the Sears/Willis Tower is to Chicago?

Didn't KRBE do something like that back in the day?
 
marioj said:
Ryan Williams said:
Frog makes some very valid points and as I said yesterday, this kind of move doesn't really make good business sense. The combined 106.9/107.5 signal is much greater than a single signal from Missouri City. And while Missouri City is a very good site, in my opinion, it is overrated. In an ideal world, rather than Missouri City, it would be best to broadcast from a 2000+ foot tower in close proximity of downtown so that you are closer to the metro's center of population. Senior Road is quite far out.

Was there ever any discussion about placing an antenna mast atop one of Houston's skyscrapers (JP Morgan Chase or Transco/Williams) and making it the city's principal broadcast center, much like the Empire State (and previously the WTC) is to NY and the Sears/Willis Tower is to Chicago?

I think most of the stations at Senior Road now used to be on downtown buildings. It's a better site.
 
marioj said:
\Was there ever any discussion about placing an antenna mast atop one of Houston's skyscrapers (JP Morgan Chase or Transco/Williams) and making it the city's principal broadcast center, much like the Empire State (and previously the WTC) is to NY and the Sears/Willis Tower is to Chicago?

Multipath off of the various tall buildings downtown would be an issue. Also remember that FM's in NYC and Chicago use much lower ERP, being under Class B rules. Class C RF levels might be excessive downtown.

I recall in the 70's that multipath inside Loop 610 was a major headache.
 
From Wikipedia...

"The 170 ft mast atop the building has carried various television and radio signals since the building's completion. The mast supported 1971 start up channel 26 KVRL (TV) (later KDOG, now KRIV) and a mast that simultaneously radiated signals for eight FM stations KYND (then 92.5, now KKBQ-FM on 92.9 MHz), 93.7 KRLY (now KKRW), 95.7 KIKK-FM (now KKHH), 99.1 KODA, 100.3 KILT-FM, 101.1 KLOL, 102.1 KLYX, and 104.1 KRBE. The combiner and antenna was supplied by Electronic Research Inc. One Shell was used until the completion of the then Texas Commerce Tower and Allied Bank Plaza in 1982–1983, creating a skyscraper canyon that causes multipath distortion, and necessitated the move to the Houston antenna farm in Harris County."

The problem is that those two buildings, now known as the JPMorgan Chase Tower and the Wells Fargo Plaza respectively, have roofs that are higher than the mast on One Shell Plaza. And Wells is very, very close, right across McKinney Street. If a 200 foot mast was erected on the top of, say, JPMorgan, a lot of those multipath issues would disappear. Higher up, even better.

For what it is worth, the KLTN/KAMA location just east of downtown is a bit under 1000 feet, if I remember correctly.

The Senior Road location isn't terrible, but it is about 16 miles outside of the center of town. That's not insignificant if you live in, say, The Woodlands.
 
Channel 20 used to have its antenna on the Allied Bank Building.
I recall theire sign on or sign off used to include something along the lines of "broadcasting from high atop the Allied Bank Building in downtown Houston...." I am not sure if they started with the antenna at Allied or if they went to that after the Missouri City tower collapsed.

I think that the FAA wouldn't allow a 200 foot mast to be erected on the Wells Fargo or JPMorganChase Building now. My understanding is that Texas Commerce Tower (now JPMorganChase) building was limited to 75 stories by the FAA to allow for flight paths from Hobby, so I don't think adding an antenna to it is permissible under the feds rules.
 
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