I must be missing something

[BS1012]

Instead of constantly obsessing over the fact that an American radio station is playing maybe one pseudo-dance song, why not listen to something like Kiss100 out of London. Great mix of rhythmic and dance music—at this moment it’s September’s Cry for you. They have awesome and respected hiphop shows, specialty trance/house/ drum and base shows, a main room mix session, plus solid club and dance music on Friday and Saturday evenings. They’re huge with the young crowd, and they’re only one example. The chance that you’d here this on an American CHR are slim to nothing yet you all act as If the world ends when America rejects dance and go nuts when a CHR plays an eight-year-old dance song. It’s kind of ridiculous. Seriously, just move on already.

 

[TonySantiago]

Instead of constantly obsessing over the fact that an American radio station is playing maybe one pseudo-dance song, why not listen to something like Kiss100 out of London. Great mix of rhythmic and dance music—at this moment it’s September’s Cry for you. They have awesome and respected hiphop shows, specialty trance/house/ drum and base shows, a main room mix session, plus solid club and dance music on Friday and Saturday evenings. They’re huge with the young crowd, and they’re only one example. The chance that you’d here this on an American CHR are slim to nothing yet you all act as If the world ends when America rejects dance and go nuts when a CHR plays an eight-year-old dance song. It’s kind of ridiculous. Seriously, just move on already.

BS1012....yeah, you are missing something.

Now, there is NO question that dance over in Europe is "pop". That's what we are fighting for stateside. Now, luckily in the New York City area, we have 2 rhythmic terrestrial stations playing current dance. Will it EVER come close to a Kiss 100 or BBC Radio One? No. But for what we have here, it is something. MANY places have NOTHING.

What you are missing is the beginning of a "revolution" that we are trying to forge forward in the U.S. to bring about dance music awareness. It is a campaign I've been committed to for over 15 years...and no, I WON'T MOVE ON (as in walking away from this). Yes, there are issues from within the dance music community that we are trying to work with. I'm trying to get all angles of the issue as possible. What you may see as "ridiculous", is something that is worthwhile for us. I don't expect you to understand what we are trying to accomplish here, but at the very least, show respect because this time around, we are not going away.

Thank you for your time.

 

[Mid West Clubber]

I couldnt have said it any better Tony,,, But to add to it, dont you think that most of us here Love our country, and arent Rich Enough, or culturally educated enough to make a permenant move over sea's... Even up to our most professional people like JP, Brett, ECT,,,, they all have commitments to maintain here in the states, if all the Dance Pro's move off to europe, than we are screwed here. Here in the U.S, some of all small to medium markets have Dance Friendly stations these days, but back between 2001-2006, you would hardly ever hear any Dance music at all from CHRs and Rhythmic's,,, not very many dance intensive Mix shows either. now days almost every CHR and Rhythmic station is either supporting Dance by playing a few current, or spiking in some Gold, or they support it with a Weekend Timeslot dedicated to Dance, or mostly Dance. This was not happening duirng the 2001-2006 era.... Dance is creeping back in ever so slowly.

Also, Kiss 100 in London is a great station, but how can I play this in my car and expose my friends to the music, and how can I take it fishing and camping during the summer months? The net radio idea is and always has been genious,,,, But they need to make it more portable and start having Shoutcast and WMA both installed on all Smart Phones.....

 

[D-Oradio]

Good points guys. It's not the fact that you can listen to a station from another country or from satellite, it's that you WANT a station like that in your OWN AREA.

Neil

 

[JohnParker]

Instead of constantly obsessing over the fact that an American radio station is playing maybe one pseudo-dance song, why not listen to something like Kiss100 out of London. Great mix of rhythmic and dance music—at this moment it’s September’s Cry for you. ......yet you all act as If the world ends when America rejects dance and go nuts when a CHR plays an eight-year-old dance song. It’s kind of ridiculous. Seriously, just move on already.

Hmmmm....what eight year old dance song would that be? Also you might want to do a little fact checking when name dropping a song as an example. "Cry for You" is originally from 2005. What took Kiss 100 so long to put it on especially since they are so cutting edge?

Just asking.

jp

 

[BS1012]

There are plenty of people in the United States who enjoy dance and electronic music. If this wasn’t true, the local [and powerful] college station wouldn’t pump out four hours of it each day. However, the success of dance music doesn’t depend on CHR American radio. The musical choices on American radio do not necessarily reflect the interests and taste of the general public. America is more diverse than the ten songs you hear on the local CHR station, thus why I feel that the obsession over dance music on CHR radio is slightly ridiculous—nobody cares, and just because the CHR station that plays the same ten songs over and over again rejects dance music doesn’t mean the format can’t—and doesn’t—work. This has nothing to do with respect as you seem to imply, and I’m not ridiculing dance music at all.

With regards to the eight year old dance song, I’m referring to "Castles In The Sky" by Ian Van Dahl. It was just an example—someone else on that particular thread already pointed that out.

Cry for you is being released in the United Kingdom in April. This has absolutely nothing to do with Kiss100. Check the facts. Besides, their playlist has plenty of dance music, and if you dislike the mix of rhythmic and dance during the daytime there are plenty of specialty shows which, in my opinion, really define the station.

Just saying.

 

[CHRles]

Hey, I'm the one who mentioned Ian Van Dahl in another thread. Wanna know why? Because it had to do with a station in Evansville, a market not exactly known for a big Dance scene. Kiss FM Evansville morphed back to CHR/Pop from a Hip Hop station and out of the blue I heard "Castles In The Sky". Now like most people on this board I'm all too familiar with that record (I especially love the Wippenberg remix), but it wasnt a hit on most CHR stations in America, let alone in Evansville. I felt that with this kind of information in mind it would be interesting for some of the readers of this board to know whats up in Evansville.
As for Kiss 100, if anyone on this board knows a thing or two about them it's me, as well as several of the posters we have from the UK. Kiss is a great station, but it hasnt always been a Dance intensive outlet. There have been times in the not so distant past when the majority of the daytime playlist comprised of the same kind of Rhythmic hits you hear on American CHRs and Rhythmics. Kiss 100's heritage though is Dance music - the station started out as a pirate station in the mid 80s. It became legit in 1990, and believe me when I tell you that it took them a while to cume a million and a half listeners per week, and a 4 share. The station's format has been teaked on more then one occasion, but as you pointed out the station also offers some of the best weekly specialty/DJ-based shows. Keep in mind that this is London we're talking about - DJ culture may have started in New York and Chicago, but the rise of the superstar DJ can be attributed to the London and Manchester scenes. There are so many more clubs in London then in New York, and Dance music - both the mainstream and underground kind - boast a significantly larger number of listeners in the British Isles then they do in New York or Miami.
Think about it: BBC Radio 1 is Dance friendly, 95.8 Capital Radio is somewhat Dance friendly, even some of the Adult Contemporary stations in England are more Dance friendly then our CHRs. The same is true of radio stations in Holland and France. You can also go to cities like Istanbul in Turkey or Bucharest in Romania and come to find 5-6 FM Dance stations (yes, you read that right), as well as several CHRs that are Dance friendly.
I can name you numerous great Dance stations from around Europe - I always love sharing these stations with others. At the same time, I'm very happy to see there are some good Dance stations in America on FM, satellite, and net-only stations.

 

[TonySantiago]

There are plenty of people in the United States who enjoy dance and electronic music. If this wasn’t true, the local [and powerful] college station wouldn’t pump out four hours of it each day. However, the success of dance music doesn’t depend on CHR American radio. The musical choices on American radio do not necessarily reflect the interests and taste of the general public. America is more diverse than the ten songs you hear on the local CHR station, thus why I feel that the obsession over dance music on CHR radio is slightly ridiculous—nobody cares, and just because the CHR station that plays the same ten songs over and over again rejects dance music doesn’t mean the format can’t—and doesn’t—work. This has nothing to do with respect as you seem to imply, and I’m not ridiculing dance music at all.

Then explain to me about the original post you've made because maybe I'm missing something.

You tell us to "just move on already.", then talk about radio in the UK. Let's take it back 25 years or so. There was a time as hip-hop was getting big that they wanted to go further into the mainstream. The urban stations were already playing it, it was just a matter of getting to the CHR stations and to the conscience of the fans of music that hip-hop wanted to target. In that sense, they've succeeded. You can now hear hip-hop everywhere. Are we nuts to say that we want the same for dance music in the US as well? Okay, let's take it even deeper...there is ONE song out there now (and John Parker please throw on your comments ) that CHR radio is touching with dance music....Cascada's "What Hurts The Most"...a remake of a country song by Mark Wills/Rascal Flatts. The song is successful! And to that we would like for more!

I mean, yeah, we could go on the Internet to hear streams, grab tunes and load them up on an iPod, hear satellite radio. But there is still something to be said regarding terrestrial radio. And if people "don't care" then it's my job to, at the very least, show awareness. Yep, America is diverse, no question about that. And with that, just as pop, rock and hip-hop are big, dance music can be under that same "umbrella" of music in popular culture.

 

[JohnParker]

There are plenty of people in the United States who enjoy dance and electronic music.

There sure are.

If this wasn’t true, the local [and powerful] college station wouldn’t pump out four hours of it each day.

I love college radio but most stations are block programming and playing whatever the dj of the minute likes.  It's not the fact that there is some massive audience listening.

However, the success of dance music doesn’t depend on CHR American radio.

I guess that depends on your definition of "success."  Mine is reaching the most people via any means and selling the most records for my label.  We do that by getting our music on the radio and CHR has the broadest reach outside of Country stations.  Both the specialized dance stations and the CHR stations in America that aren't afraid to play hit dance music are any smart labels airplay targets.

The musical choices on American radio do not necessarily reflect the interests and taste of the general public.

If by the "general public" you mean the majority of people then you'd be very wrong.

America is more diverse than the ten songs you hear on the local CHR station, thus why I feel that the obsession over dance music on CHR radio is slightly ridiculous—nobody cares, and just because the CHR station that plays the same ten songs over and over again rejects dance music doesn’t mean the format can’t—and doesn’t—work.

I don't know of any CHR that only plays 10 songs, might want to check your facts there. 
You are certainly entitled to your opinion about obsessing over CHR radio but just because people want to make a bad situation better it doesn't mean they are wrong.  They aren't nobodies and they do care.  CHR stations play a certain type of music.  When dance music produces something that can stand along side of it in a playlist you'd be suprised at how many stations will support the music. The problem is that most dance producers aren't thinking about radio they are thinking about the clubs.  So you can't really expect that to work in a radio situation, although it does happen once in awhile.

Cry for you is being released in the United Kingdom in April. This has absolutely nothing to do with Kiss100. Check the facts. Besides, their playlist has plenty of dance music, and if you dislike the mix of rhythmic and dance during the daytime there are plenty of specialty shows which, in my opinion, really define the station.

Just saying.

Believe me, I don't need to "check the facts", I know when it's being released in the UK having put it out in America.  You say that people are going nuts over an 8 year old song being played and calling it "ridiculous" so I found it ironic that you'd use a 3 year old song finally getting played in your example for Kiss.  Maybe 5-7 years is the cut off point for being ridiculous.

jp

 

[BS1012]

There are plenty of people in the United States who enjoy dance and electronic music.

There sure are.

Exactly. With or without American CHR radio.

The musical choices on American radio do not necessarily reflect the interests and taste of the general public.

If by the "general public" you mean the majority of people then you'd be very wrong.

I give Americans more credit than to think that CHR, or radio in general, Adequately captures the interests of the public anymore.

America is more diverse than the ten songs you hear on the local CHR station, thus why I feel that the obsession over dance music on CHR radio is slightly ridiculous—nobody cares, and just because the CHR station that plays the same ten songs over and over again rejects dance music doesn’t mean the format can’t—and doesn’t—work.

I don't know of any CHR that only plays 10 songs, might want to check your facts there.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion about obsessing over CHR radio but just because people want to make a bad situation better it doesn't mean they are wrong. They aren't nobodies and they do care. CHR stations play a certain type of music. When dance music produces something that can stand along side of it in a playlist you'd be suprised at how many stations will support the music. The problem is that most dance producers aren't thinking about radio they are thinking about the clubs. So you can't really expect that to work in a radio situation, although it does happen once in awhile.

My local CHR, and many like it, rotate the same songs every hour or hour and a half. Generally, yes, the same set of songs are played over and over again.

Besides, most of the age group and target for dance music has moved from radio to other forms of media in this country. With college students and twenty something’s in America, radio is pretty stale unless it’s something along the lines of college, NPR, or sports.

Cry for you is being released in the United Kingdom in April. This has absolutely nothing to do with Kiss100. Check the facts. Besides, their playlist has plenty of dance music, and if you dislike the mix of rhythmic and dance during the daytime there are plenty of specialty shows which, in my opinion, really define the station.

Just saying.

Believe me, I don't need to "check the facts", I know when it's being released in the UK having put it out in America. You say that people are going nuts over an 8 year old song being played and calling it "ridiculous" so I found it ironic that you'd use a 3 year old song finally getting played in your example for Kiss. Maybe 5-7 years is the cut off point for being ridiculous.

jp

Since Cry for you is just being released in the United Kingdom, it would make sense that the song would receive airplay on dance stations over there. This has nothing to do with how old a song is.