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I realize it's too late but....

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ArtSpooner

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Dale Arnold has been sitting in on the Big Show a few times during the post-Ordway era and has sounded pretty good. He, Holley and Pete Shepard teamed up one day and that seemed to work well. I think a new Dale & Holley pairing with Pete Shepard doing the flash and participating in the show would work. WEEI's biggest critics usually agreed that D&H were the best 'EEI show. I think that arrangement would satisfy the hockey fans, in that Dale certainly trumps F&M as far as hockey knowledge. Shepard, used properly, could add humor without bufoonery. Saucier adds very little, and the more I learn about him, the less I want to hear him. He comes across as a sleazeball.

I have a feeling that they should have had the new guy ready to go, rather than wait a few weeks. He's in for an uphill battle. I don't think anyone is waiting with bated breath for this guy. If they dump the whiner line, he will be blamed. Ordway fans are going to be antagonistic toward him anyway. I'm surprised that they didn't consider trying something that they knew had worked once.

I guess it's too late now, unless they pull another Kevin Winter. Maybe they could get rid of Muttnansky and put the new guy on mid-days. Now I've slipped into wishful thinking.
 
I'm not a listener to weei but,I would listen again if that pairing was an everyday thing!!



ArtSpooner said:
Dale Arnold has been sitting in on the Big Show a few times during the post-Ordway era and has sounded pretty good. He, Holley and Pete Shepard teamed up one day and that seemed to work well. I think a new Dale & Holley pairing with Pete Shepard doing the flash and participating in the show would work. WEEI's biggest critics usually agreed that D&H were the best 'EEI show. I think that arrangement would satisfy the hockey fans, in that Dale certainly trumps F&M as far as hockey knowledge. Shepard, used properly, could add humor without bufoonery. Saucier adds very little, and the more I learn about him, the less I want to hear him. He comes across as a sleazeball.

I have a feeling that they should have had the new guy ready to go, rather than wait a few weeks. He's in for an uphill battle. I don't think anyone is waiting with bated breath for this guy. If they dump the whiner line, he will be blamed. Ordway fans are going to be antagonistic toward him anyway. I'm surprised that they didn't consider trying something that they knew had worked once.

I guess it's too late now, unless they pull another Kevin Winter. Maybe they could get rid of Muttnansky and put the new guy on mid-days. Now I've slipped into wishful thinking.
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Sometimes you just have to scratch your head. D&C was criticized for being too political, especially right wing political and the Big Show was criticized for being a screech fest with D-list guest hosts like LJ, Butch Stearns, Smerlas et al. Dale and Holley was almost universally recognized as the closest thing to a pure sports show by most, including the 'EEI haters. Yet that's the show that Wolfe destroyed first. Wouldn't it make more sense to leave the one that was working, alone and concentrate on the others? He dumped all of the guest hosts on the Big Show, including the good ones, like Buck, McAdam, et al. Instead of toning down the politics on D&C, he eliminated it. Some of D&C's appeal must have been the politics and the "guy talk". So instead they decide to be 100% sports when their new competition is a comedy show with scant mention of sports. Almost every move he's made hasn't worked, so why should anyone think anything he does will work.

Unless Wolfe is in a situation similar to the Red Sox where Lucchino is the puppet master, even though Cherington has the title, I don't see why someone hasn't delineated his mistakes and terminated him. I can't think of anything he's done right in the past few years. When faced with real competition for the firsr time, he initially ignored it and then started making panic moves when he realized he was in trouble.

There are a lot of people out of work in this country. I would think that there would be no shortage of candidates for that job.
 
ArtSpooner said:
Unless Wolfe is in a situation similar to the Red Sox where Lucchino is the puppet master, even though Cherington has the title, I don't see why someone hasn't delineated his mistakes and terminated him.
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I don't see why we have to keep going over this same ground time after time. PD's in major markets don't make decisions on talent. GM's or MM's do.
 
dumber than a box of hair said:
ArtSpooner said:
Unless Wolfe is in a situation similar to the Red Sox where Lucchino is the puppet master, even though Cherington has the title, I don't see why someone hasn't delineated his mistakes and terminated him.
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I don't see why we have to keep going over this same ground time after time. PD's in major markets don't make decisions on talent. GM's or MM's do.
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So who made these decisions? Was it Julie Kahn or the guy who replaced her? Why do they still have a job? They lost their king of the hill status to a station mainly stocked with locals. Felger and Mazz had been around for years and were well known to the audience, as had Zolak and to a lesser extent Gresh. T&R, while not in the sports genre, had been on the air in Boston for some time. It wasn't like new people came in and blew everyone away.

Their collapse was similar to the Red Sox of the past couple of years. They went from "Best Team Ever" to last place. Tito and Bobby V. paid the price for that, and Theo got out of Dodge. 'EEI has done almost the same thing, except they dumped the players rather than the managers. Shepard, Dale, Ordway, and Meter(says he left, but did he?) all bit the dust, but all of the decision makers are still there.
 
Why would Dale even want PM drive now? He has a lot more stable gig at NESN, he'll take over the PBP whenever they wise up and dump Jack Edwards, and there won't be another NHL work stoppage for eight years.
 
Wouldn't PM drive pay a lot more than his present situation? I'm not a hockey fan, but I thought Jack Edwards was a fan favorite. What I've heard of him seems a bit contrived and over the top. But Grande is kind of like that too, not quite as extreme, but definitely a little over dramatic. Of course neither compare to Big T from Holy Cross as far as emoting goes. I'll be a Heinsohn fan until one of us dies.
 
Dale has had high-profile gigs in this market for 25 years now. Maybe he doesn't need the coin?

Jack Edwards has become a joke. They were playing the Rangers a few weeks back, and the Bruins made a comeback from 3-0 down in the third period. I think the B's scored two of those goals in the last few minutes. NESN showed this shot of Jack Edwards jumping up and down like a high school cheerleader after the game was tied. Give me a break.
 
wickedwritah said:
Jack Edwards has become a joke. They were playing the Rangers a few weeks back, and the Bruins made a comeback from 3-0 down in the third period. I think the B's scored two of those goals in the last few minutes. NESN showed this shot of Jack Edwards jumping up and down like a high school cheerleader after the game was tied. Give me a break.
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What short memories some people have. Boston is, after all, the city who adored the ultimate home-team cheerleader, one Johnny Most, for decades. Jack Edwards may not be in Most's league, but getting excited about a tied score is small potatoes compared to some of the things Most would say about the opposing team and the referees.
 
It's one thing to get excited, another to embarrass yourself.

This is Boston. I know some people like and appreciate the homerism, but really, they shouldn't. This isn't Kansas City.
 
This is Boston. I know some people like and appreciate the homerism, but really, they shouldn't. This isn't Kansas City.

I've traveled the country for 40 years, and in EVERY city I've visited and had the opportunity to listen to broadcasts of the local team, the local announcing team, whether radio or TV, demonstrated homerism.

Folks get PO's when they think network announcers, who are expected to be impartial, appear to be taking the side of the opposition (but rarely complain when they take side of the local good guys). But, they expect the home announcing team to be, for want of the better word, homers.

Regards,
TSB
 
wickedwritah said:
Dale has had high-profile gigs in this market for 25 years now. Maybe he doesn't need the coin?

Jack Edwards has become a joke. They were playing the Rangers a few weeks back, and the Bruins made a comeback from 3-0 down in the third period. I think the B's scored two of those goals in the last few minutes. NESN showed this shot of Jack Edwards jumping up and down like a high school cheerleader after the game was tied. Give me a break.
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I got news for you - Fred Cusick used to do the same thing but never had an isolated camera on him.

NBC has screwed NESN by grabbing 3 of the 4 Boston/Montreal games. Last Sunday Dave Strader gave the game a nice vanilla call - Edwards would have been foaming at the mouth.

Castiglione is also a homer - you can tune in late and know what the score is by the tone of his voice.
 
It's to be expected, like Castiglione here or Tom Hamilton in Cle. showing excitement when the home team homers or wins (Castig sounds disappointed if the game ends in a Sox loss--"swing an' a popup...it's caught...and the Red Sox lose). He grew up a Yankees fan but def. shows his loyalty
for the Sox.
In NY there were amusing clips of Suzyn Waldman and John Sterling from when Clemens returned
to the Yankees ("oh my good, goodness gracious") and Joe Torre left (SW: "This is rough...he's your friend"; JS: "Well, Suzyn, in life all good things must end"--in a bit spoofed by the EEI folks.)

Pete Sheppard: "Try workin' in 86 after the World Series, you wanna see cryin', are you kiddin' me!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdtn0Z4o8cM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PePGaKx1JpQ
 
wickedwritah said:
It's one thing to get excited, another to embarrass yourself.

This is Boston. I know some people like and appreciate the homerism, but really, they shouldn't. This isn't Kansas City.
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The natives of Boston hold themselves up as more sophisticated than the rest of the country. I've lived in six other states...........Boston is not not nearly as sophisticated as the denizens would like to think. Bostonians hear a southern accent and assume the speaker is stupid. What do you think the rest of the country thinks when they hear a Boston accent, replete with bad grammar? There's nothing like a "so didn't I" or "so aren't I" to make an impression.

I've never listened to Jack Edwards do a game, but I have heard him on the Big Show I can't imagine anyone being more biased than Johnny Most or Tommy Heinsohn and I love them both. It was Johnny Most that first got me interested in basketball back in the 50s. Hawk Harrelson is a notorious homer for the White Sox, but he was pretty much a homer when he did the Red Sox games. Remember him saying "that ball is in the west-bound lane of the Mass. pike" when Jim Rice would whack one.
 
Maybe it's from having lived elsewhere, but I enjoy having an announcer who isn't feeding me a load of team-shoveled crap.

It happens everywhere, I get that, to varying levels. But Jack jumped the shark ... anyone remember that soliloquy after the Montreal series two years ago?
 
The same could be said about the speech Grande made when the Celtics won except that his speech was interrupted by Cedric Maxwell shrieking "I got the ball" in the middle of it. I thought that was hilarious. I've heard the speech since and he had Max's comment removed. Contrast the over exuberance of those two with Castiglione in 2004 who said " Can you believe it?". I didn't think he went far enough over the top.
 
The radio announcer of the Houston Rockets had a winner not too long ago. After the L.A. Lakers, who previously vowed to show up wearing their "big boy pants", were beat by the Rockets, the play-by-play guy yelled, "The Lakers have just pooped their big boy pants!"
 
Whose butt is Dale Arnold kissing the most, the son of Jacobs or the son of Kraft?

The listening public should be glad that Teddy Werner works for the Milwaukee Brewers,
otherwise we'd get to hear his backside smooched as well.
 
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