I believe there will be a format flip of an FM NYC station to...Oldies. I wouldn't want to be the empty suit that said "...Yeah, we'll make a killing with Jack."
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I Smell a Format Flip
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Is it gonna be WKTU 103.5 soon to finally be New York's Oldies Station?
> I believe there will be a format flip of an FM NYC station
> to...Oldies. I wouldn't want to be the empty suit that said
> "...Yeah, we'll make a killing with Jack."
>
> I believe there will be a format flip of an FM NYC station
> to...Oldies. I wouldn't want to be the empty suit that said
> "...Yeah, we'll make a killing with Jack."
>
R
RobertMoore
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> Why would it be WKTU?
I don't think its them either.
I don't think its them either.
J
Joseph_Gallant
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Would the New York Times dare flip WQXR-96.3 from classical to any other format (whether it be oldies, or country, or anything else)??
Barring that extremely-unlikely possibility (or either Family Radio selling WFME-94.7 or Pacifica selling WBAI-99.5 to commercial broadcasters), I think the only outright format flip New York will see in the near future is the already announced one of WXRK-92.3 to "Free FM". We will probably also see a tweak of the format of WAXQ-104.3 to a hybrid of classic and modern rock.
But I don't think 24/7 oldies will be coming back to New York radio soon.
Barring that extremely-unlikely possibility (or either Family Radio selling WFME-94.7 or Pacifica selling WBAI-99.5 to commercial broadcasters), I think the only outright format flip New York will see in the near future is the already announced one of WXRK-92.3 to "Free FM". We will probably also see a tweak of the format of WAXQ-104.3 to a hybrid of classic and modern rock.
But I don't think 24/7 oldies will be coming back to New York radio soon.
> Would the New York Times dare flip WQXR-96.3 from classical
> to any other format (whether it be oldies, or country, or
> anything else)??
I seriously doubt it. Despite WQXR having some poorer books recently, they still make a lot of money. Plus they're run by the nation's most inflential (and snobby) newspaper.
I think the only outright
> format flip New York will see in the near future is the
> already announced one of WXRK-92.3 to "Free FM". We will
> probably also see a tweak of the format of WAXQ-104.3 to a
> hybrid of classic and modern rock.
I don't think that Q104.3 should or will tweak itself to a more AOR-type of station. The station has good numbers as it is, and the only thing that's going to happen with WXRK dropping most of its music programming is that the listeners that want to hear their Zeppelin and Stones are just going to keep it on Q104.3 longer and sit through the Fleetwood Mac. Case in point, several years ago in Providence when classic rock 103.7 WRX flipped to alternative Boston-based FNX, the speculation was that 94.1 WHJY, the AOR station, would tweak itself to more of a classic rock station. HJY did not do that however, with the idea that the displaced WRX listeners would just move over to HJY anyway. For the most part, that worked, and HJY is always a top 3-rated station in Providence (as it usually has been for many years). Plus, before all the "well what about Howard" people get flustered, many Howard listeners who listen to him on a fairly regular basis now aren't going to get Sirius. So that leaves quite a few listeners that are going to listen to something else, such as the new David Lee Roth show (which, IMHO won't do very well) or, the more likely case, listen to Jim Kerr on Q104.3, with a few leftovers going to Z100. So no, Q104.3 is going to stay exactly as is.
> But I don't think 24/7 oldies will be coming back to New
> York radio soon.
It could though. How many AC/hot AC type stations are there in NYC? If Infinity woke up and put oldies back on 101.1, I don't think anyone would be the least bit upset about losing Jack FM.
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> to any other format (whether it be oldies, or country, or
> anything else)??
I seriously doubt it. Despite WQXR having some poorer books recently, they still make a lot of money. Plus they're run by the nation's most inflential (and snobby) newspaper.
I think the only outright
> format flip New York will see in the near future is the
> already announced one of WXRK-92.3 to "Free FM". We will
> probably also see a tweak of the format of WAXQ-104.3 to a
> hybrid of classic and modern rock.
I don't think that Q104.3 should or will tweak itself to a more AOR-type of station. The station has good numbers as it is, and the only thing that's going to happen with WXRK dropping most of its music programming is that the listeners that want to hear their Zeppelin and Stones are just going to keep it on Q104.3 longer and sit through the Fleetwood Mac. Case in point, several years ago in Providence when classic rock 103.7 WRX flipped to alternative Boston-based FNX, the speculation was that 94.1 WHJY, the AOR station, would tweak itself to more of a classic rock station. HJY did not do that however, with the idea that the displaced WRX listeners would just move over to HJY anyway. For the most part, that worked, and HJY is always a top 3-rated station in Providence (as it usually has been for many years). Plus, before all the "well what about Howard" people get flustered, many Howard listeners who listen to him on a fairly regular basis now aren't going to get Sirius. So that leaves quite a few listeners that are going to listen to something else, such as the new David Lee Roth show (which, IMHO won't do very well) or, the more likely case, listen to Jim Kerr on Q104.3, with a few leftovers going to Z100. So no, Q104.3 is going to stay exactly as is.
> But I don't think 24/7 oldies will be coming back to New
> York radio soon.
It could though. How many AC/hot AC type stations are there in NYC? If Infinity woke up and put oldies back on 101.1, I don't think anyone would be the least bit upset about losing Jack FM.
Jacko
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> I believe there will be a format flip of an FM NYC station
> to...Oldies. I wouldn't want to be the empty suit that said
> "...Yeah, we'll make a killing with Jack."
>
They WILL make a killing off of Jack no matter whhat the ratings are because they have ZERO overhead now, no legendary high priced dj's, A PD, an MD, and a whole lot of board ops. So I wouldn't get all giddy about oldies yet. Who would flip? whoever said KTU is sniffing glue, that station aint going anywhere least of all to oldies-villeJ
> to...Oldies. I wouldn't want to be the empty suit that said
> "...Yeah, we'll make a killing with Jack."
>
They WILL make a killing off of Jack no matter whhat the ratings are because they have ZERO overhead now, no legendary high priced dj's, A PD, an MD, and a whole lot of board ops. So I wouldn't get all giddy about oldies yet. Who would flip? whoever said KTU is sniffing glue, that station aint going anywhere least of all to oldies-villeJ
Re: No savings at all.
> > I believe there will be a format flip of an FM NYC station
>
> > to...Oldies. I wouldn't want to be the empty suit that
> said
> > "...Yeah, we'll make a killing with Jack."
> >
> They WILL make a killing off of Jack no matter whhat the
> ratings are because they have ZERO overhead now, no
> legendary high priced dj's, A PD, an MD, and a whole lot of
> board ops. So I wouldn't get all giddy about oldies yet. Who
> would flip? whoever said KTU is sniffing glue, that station
> aint going anywhere least of all to oldies-villeJ
>
Jock salaries are a small part of thotal operating expenses. Just selling expense can be close to 30% of gross income. Then there is management, accounting, traffic, engineering. Then there is rent for offices and the ESB site (which is not cheap), insurance, maintenance, utilities, legal costs, promotion and advertising, music licences, taxes, etc., etc.
The Jack stations do not save that much over air talent, as they have very talented producers, who are good production people, there all the time to do the instant bits based on listener calls that seem to magically match the music.
In NY, the savings on talent are very close to insignificant.
POh, there is a PDF and an MD. Who do you think does the logs and promotions and stuff? A robot?
> > I believe there will be a format flip of an FM NYC station
>
> > to...Oldies. I wouldn't want to be the empty suit that
> said
> > "...Yeah, we'll make a killing with Jack."
> >
> They WILL make a killing off of Jack no matter whhat the
> ratings are because they have ZERO overhead now, no
> legendary high priced dj's, A PD, an MD, and a whole lot of
> board ops. So I wouldn't get all giddy about oldies yet. Who
> would flip? whoever said KTU is sniffing glue, that station
> aint going anywhere least of all to oldies-villeJ
>
Jock salaries are a small part of thotal operating expenses. Just selling expense can be close to 30% of gross income. Then there is management, accounting, traffic, engineering. Then there is rent for offices and the ESB site (which is not cheap), insurance, maintenance, utilities, legal costs, promotion and advertising, music licences, taxes, etc., etc.
The Jack stations do not save that much over air talent, as they have very talented producers, who are good production people, there all the time to do the instant bits based on listener calls that seem to magically match the music.
In NY, the savings on talent are very close to insignificant.
POh, there is a PDF and an MD. Who do you think does the logs and promotions and stuff? A robot?
> > They could move WQXR back to its original home at 1560 or
> either put oldies on 1560. It won't happen
>
1560 is in an LMA with Disney, and legally would get in a lot of trouble if they messed with the Mouse.
> either put oldies on 1560. It won't happen
>
1560 is in an LMA with Disney, and legally would get in a lot of trouble if they messed with the Mouse.
Re: WELL..............
If the statement that "New York ISN'T a Rock Town" IS TRUE, wouldn't the BEST place for it be Q-104.3?? I'm NOT necessarily that should be the case, but it would then make the most sense. IMO, this non-sense with 'NEW & 'KTU is ridiculous! NO Oldies but yet two overly-competitive Dance stations? Makes complete sense. I'm thinking that if Oldies return it WILL BE on a Clear-Channel station...which as we all know is more than capable of running a station as CHEAPLY as possible!!
We shall see.... and I'm just sitting back and waiting
If the statement that "New York ISN'T a Rock Town" IS TRUE, wouldn't the BEST place for it be Q-104.3?? I'm NOT necessarily that should be the case, but it would then make the most sense. IMO, this non-sense with 'NEW & 'KTU is ridiculous! NO Oldies but yet two overly-competitive Dance stations? Makes complete sense. I'm thinking that if Oldies return it WILL BE on a Clear-Channel station...which as we all know is more than capable of running a station as CHEAPLY as possible!!
We shall see.... and I'm just sitting back and waiting
Give it up
> I believe there will be a format flip of an FM NYC station
> to...Oldies. I wouldn't want to be the empty suit that said
> "...Yeah, we'll make a killing with Jack."
>
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> I believe there will be a format flip of an FM NYC station
> to...Oldies. I wouldn't want to be the empty suit that said
> "...Yeah, we'll make a killing with Jack."
>
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> Would the New York Times dare flip WQXR-96.3 from classical
> to any other format (whether it be oldies, or country, or
> anything else)??
>
> Barring that extremely-unlikely possibility (or either
> Family Radio selling WFME-94.7 or Pacifica selling WBAI-99.5
> to commercial broadcasters), I think the only outright
> format flip New York will see in the near future is the
> already announced one of WXRK-92.3 to "Free FM". We will
> probably also see a tweak of the format of WAXQ-104.3 to a
> hybrid of classic and modern rock.
Don't just assume that a station will automatically "tweak their playlist" following another station's format flip. Q1043 has a very loyal audience and personally, I think it would be dumb to change things drastically. A song here and there, ok, but nothing too drastic. In fact, it would be better if Q doesn't change a thing. Have you actually ever listened to the station Joseph?
>
> But I don't think 24/7 oldies will be coming back to New
> York radio soon.
Agreed!
>
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> to any other format (whether it be oldies, or country, or
> anything else)??
>
> Barring that extremely-unlikely possibility (or either
> Family Radio selling WFME-94.7 or Pacifica selling WBAI-99.5
> to commercial broadcasters), I think the only outright
> format flip New York will see in the near future is the
> already announced one of WXRK-92.3 to "Free FM". We will
> probably also see a tweak of the format of WAXQ-104.3 to a
> hybrid of classic and modern rock.
Don't just assume that a station will automatically "tweak their playlist" following another station's format flip. Q1043 has a very loyal audience and personally, I think it would be dumb to change things drastically. A song here and there, ok, but nothing too drastic. In fact, it would be better if Q doesn't change a thing. Have you actually ever listened to the station Joseph?
>
> But I don't think 24/7 oldies will be coming back to New
> York radio soon.
Agreed!
>
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> > > They could move WQXR back to its original home at 1560
> or
> > either put oldies on 1560. It won't happen
> >
>
> 1560 is in an LMA with Disney, and legally would get in a
> lot of trouble if they messed with the Mouse.
>
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> or
> > either put oldies on 1560. It won't happen
> >
>
> 1560 is in an LMA with Disney, and legally would get in a
> lot of trouble if they messed with the Mouse.
>
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> > > They could move WQXR back to its original home at 1560
> or
> > either put oldies on 1560. It won't happen
> >
>
> 1560 is in an LMA with Disney, and legally would get in a
> lot of trouble if they messed with the Mouse.
>
David, it would be the Mouse that roared ! And it probably wouldn't be the first time. But let's go to the next step. Assuming that Disney sells ABC Radio, it seems to me that the end of Radio Disney would not be far behind. It doesn't seem to attract a whole lot of listeners and I don't hear as many spots as I thought I would. Therefore, the New York Times (owners of WQEW, New York) would have to put something on the air.
IT WOULD NOT BE OLDIES. We're talking about The New York Times. Their New York City FM station plays classical music and is very structured and, for lack of a better term, old line. I suspect that they may go back to Adult/Standards since it is more in keeping with their corporate culture. And since The New York Times is profitable and since they did do $ 2 million on the station as an Adult/Standards before the Disney LMA, that could meet their financial plans.
What do you think ?
> or
> > either put oldies on 1560. It won't happen
> >
>
> 1560 is in an LMA with Disney, and legally would get in a
> lot of trouble if they messed with the Mouse.
>
David, it would be the Mouse that roared ! And it probably wouldn't be the first time. But let's go to the next step. Assuming that Disney sells ABC Radio, it seems to me that the end of Radio Disney would not be far behind. It doesn't seem to attract a whole lot of listeners and I don't hear as many spots as I thought I would. Therefore, the New York Times (owners of WQEW, New York) would have to put something on the air.
IT WOULD NOT BE OLDIES. We're talking about The New York Times. Their New York City FM station plays classical music and is very structured and, for lack of a better term, old line. I suspect that they may go back to Adult/Standards since it is more in keeping with their corporate culture. And since The New York Times is profitable and since they did do $ 2 million on the station as an Adult/Standards before the Disney LMA, that could meet their financial plans.
What do you think ?
> David, it would be the Mouse that roared ! And it probably
> wouldn't be the first time. But let's go to the next step.
> Assuming that Disney sells ABC Radio, it seems to me that
> the end of Radio Disney would not be far behind. It doesn't
> seem to attract a whole lot of listeners and I don't hear as
> many spots as I thought I would. Therefore, the New York
> Times (owners of WQEW, New York) would have to put something
> on the air.
There have been multiple reports that neither Radio Disney nor ESPN radio would be sold if and when (it is far form a done deal) ABC radio is sold.
Both of these special networks are part of the branding of a major mark, and do not have to make money on a free standing basis, as they are intended to enhance the Disney and ESPN brands.
> What do you think ?
Since Disney apparently holds a right to purchase, I suspect that this is more likely. They ought to try to move the site to Jersey, too.
> wouldn't be the first time. But let's go to the next step.
> Assuming that Disney sells ABC Radio, it seems to me that
> the end of Radio Disney would not be far behind. It doesn't
> seem to attract a whole lot of listeners and I don't hear as
> many spots as I thought I would. Therefore, the New York
> Times (owners of WQEW, New York) would have to put something
> on the air.
There have been multiple reports that neither Radio Disney nor ESPN radio would be sold if and when (it is far form a done deal) ABC radio is sold.
Both of these special networks are part of the branding of a major mark, and do not have to make money on a free standing basis, as they are intended to enhance the Disney and ESPN brands.
> What do you think ?
Since Disney apparently holds a right to purchase, I suspect that this is more likely. They ought to try to move the site to Jersey, too.
> > > > They could move WQXR back to its original home at 1560
>
> > or
> > > either put oldies on 1560. It won't happen
> > >
> >
> > 1560 is in an LMA with Disney, and legally would get in a
> > lot of trouble if they messed with the Mouse.
> >
> Doesn't the LMA end soon though?
I believe they have apurchase and a renewal option.
>
>
> > or
> > > either put oldies on 1560. It won't happen
> > >
> >
> > 1560 is in an LMA with Disney, and legally would get in a
> > lot of trouble if they messed with the Mouse.
> >
> Doesn't the LMA end soon though?
I believe they have apurchase and a renewal option.
>
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MattBAA
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> I believe there will be a format flip of an FM NYC station
> to...Oldies. I wouldn't want to be the empty suit that said
> "...Yeah, we'll make a killing with Jack."
>
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> to...Oldies. I wouldn't want to be the empty suit that said
> "...Yeah, we'll make a killing with Jack."
>
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