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I would like to see the FCC allow this...

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Example WBUZ 102.9 and WKDF 103.3 on the same tower, I think there would be less interference because when your close to the WBUZ 102.9 tower site, it might be hard to get 103.3 or if your closer to WKDF 103.3 tower site, you may have problems with WBUZ 102.9. Now with them both on the same tower they both should nearly have the same signal and come in fine.

Another example how do you think cable tv works, when you get channel 9 or channel 10, they have to have a equal signal. If 1 of those stations was weaker, 1 channel apart should work on the same tower. The FCC places distance requirements on stations 2 or 3 channels apart but sometimes I fill, when there within 25 miles apart, they might be better if they were located in the same spot.
 
signalid said:
Example WBUZ 102.9 and WKDF 103.3 on the same tower, I think there would be less interference because when your close to the WBUZ 102.9 tower site, it might be hard to get 103.3 or if your closer to WKDF 103.3 tower site, you may have problems with WBUZ 102.9. Now with them both on the same tower they both should nearly have the same signal and come in fine.
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Doesn't 103.3 and 105.9 broadcast off of the same antennae? Not tower but the antennae? An old kdf jock used to frequent a bar i worked at back when that tower in Brentwood was put up and if I remember correctly he told me that was what was happening?

Nock
 
It's a good possibility that 103.3 and 105.9 use the same antenna.
 
WKDF and WNRQ do share the antenna on top of the Brentwood tower as well as the combiner for the antenna system . WPLN is also on the tower on a side mounted antenna, . The 3 stations co-own the tower site and we lease to Lightning 100.
 
If it was up to me, sense the FCC came out with C0, I would like to see them come out with a class CB, grandfather stations with ERP around 75k watts at 492 feet would become a class CB, new stations south of the 39.5 degree line could become a CB if they have a certain distance seperation.

This may let some C1 stations get closer to Nashville without down grading all the way to a C2...
It would be required to use the distance nearly between a class B, class C2 and C1.
 
signalid said:
If it was up to me, sense the FCC came out with C0, I would like to see them come out with a class CB, grandfather stations with ERP around 75k watts at 492 feet would become a class CB, new stations south of the 39.5 degree line could become a CB if they have a certain distance seperation.

This may let some C1 stations get closer to Nashville without down grading all the way to a C2...
It would be required to use the distance nearly between a class B, class C2 and C1.
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It's VERY unlikely the current FCC would make any moves that would allow new moveins. They seem to be trying to move in the other direction.

IMHO co-location of 2nd-adjacents should work just fine, EXCEPT that it's probably not compatible with HD. For that reason it's unlikely to go anywhere either.

We do have one existing second-adjacent; 90.7 W214BQ Brentwood, a ten-watt translator located close to (but not on) the Brentwood tower.
 
I would (as a small AM station owner) like the FCC to allow an AM station to change frequencies, as a "minor" change, instead of a "major change in facilities. AM is in deep trouble, and not every AM is going to get an FM Translator. There is just no enough room for that to happen. I found an AM channel I can go to, with better nighttime coverage for Gallatin, but I would have to reduce daytime power.

Although AM Radio (and even FM) does not have that many listeners at night, because of TV, it would help with High School Ballgames. What little power the three major Sumner County stations have at night is just not good enough. Steve Newberry, President and CEO of Kentucky-based Commonwealth Broadcasting Corporation, is trying his best to wake up Congress and the FCC, but Steve, if you're reading this, I don't think they are listening to you. Yes, you're on our side, but other small operators are going to have to shout louder to get them to understand.

HD Radio does not work on AM, and I wish that NPR owned station WPLN-AM 1430 would turn off the IBOC. WLAC had it off Thursday Afternoon, and audio was up near 10 KC. It sounded good. WLAC-Clear Channel, please don't turn back on the IBOC on 1510! IBOC is nothing but hash, and AM will drop dead if these corporate groups keep trying to make something work on AM that won't! The bandwidth is too narrow. Leave AM in analog!

Back to the FM Translator deal, there are going to be hundreds of displaced AM stations that will not get an FM Translator. If an AM station doesn't have one by now, most likely, it won't get one at all. Instead of the Congress and the FCC allowing more LPFM's, they need to shut down the LPFM idea and open an LPAM window. Move us commercial AM's to translators on the FM dial.
 
I heard more AM stations may turn off the HD because the 3 year warranty will be running out, station owners will find out the repair bill will be thousands of dollars.
 
The second adjacent spacing illegality notwithstanding; the percentage of bandwidth between 102.9 and 103.3 MHz being 0.39% would render a co-location effort impractical. Or, its all a moot point anyway you go...
w/
 
signalid said:
I heard more AM stations may turn off the HD because the 3 year warranty will be running out, station owners will find out the repair bill will be thousands of dollars.
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Let's hope so! Especially WLAC. I can't hear my station at Rivergate when their IBOC is on. Hash is on 1500 and 1520, then going both ways on the dial, modulation splatter. It's not my car radio. I've heard this on 6 different car radios at Rivergate. Their IBOC was off Thursday and it sounded like somebody had turn the processor back up to 10 Khz. Sounded better on 1510, no splatter, and I could hear my station at Rivergate Mall again!
 
A engineer I know don't like HD on FM or AM...

He said when a station is not making money they should turn off there analog and go HD on there analog freq. this would get rid of the hiss.

He said on FM they should extend the FM band down to channel 5 TV and HD radio could operate on channel 5 or channel 6 freq. unless there is a channel 5 or 6. It would not be likely we would see a ch. 5 and 6 without a distance seperation.
 
signalid said:
A engineer I know don't like HD on FM or AM...
He said when a station is not making money they should turn off there analog and go HD on there analog freq. this would get rid of the hiss.
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turn off the signal than CAN be heard...in favor of a signal that NO ONE is listening to?
yeah, that's the way to make save your failing station.

huh?

your idea of battery powered LED equipped portable DTV converters makes more sense!
 
"turn off the signal than CAN be heard...in favor of a signal that NO ONE is listening to?
yeah, that's the way to make save your failing station."


CR - a slight variation of that would make sense for one joke of a 'rock' station that plays
"Squeeze Box" and thinks it's a good tweaking and that it's going to have better ratings
playing overplayed garbage over and over...

Flip it to dead air like the week this summer. It's better for everyone involved. Cost
effective, as well.
 
Tibbs2 said:
"turn off the signal than CAN be heard...in favor of a signal that NO ONE is listening to?
yeah, that's the way to make save your failing station."


CR - a slight variation of that would make sense for one joke of a 'rock' station that plays
"Squeeze Box" and thinks it's a good tweaking and that it's going to have better ratings
playing overplayed garbage over and over...

Flip it to dead air like the week this summer. It's better for everyone involved. Cost
effective, as well.
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Tibbs,
As Hoyt Carter at WNAH would say: "Put a lovely tone on it. It arouses people's curiosity and they wonder what you're going to do next" I laugh everytime he and Bob Nelson bring up the "Lovely Tone"
 
scottwmro said:
I would (as a small AM station owner) like the FCC to allow an AM station to change frequencies, as a "minor" change, instead of a "major change in facilities. AM is in deep trouble, and not every AM is going to get an FM Translator. There is just no enough room for that to happen. I found an AM channel I can go to, with better nighttime coverage for Gallatin, but I would have to reduce daytime power.
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I think the reason for the difference is the much wider area over which an AM frequency change has effects, especially if night operation is involved.

Moving WGFX from 104.5 to 104.7 would have absolutely no effect on any station more than 200 miles away. I don't know what frequency you're thinking of, but new nighttime service on *any* AM frequency is going to have implications across much of the U.S. and probably, Canada and Mexico. It is, quite literally, a major change.

Back to the FM Translator deal, there are going to be hundreds of displaced AM stations that will not get an FM Translator. If an AM station doesn't have one by now, most likely, it won't get one at all. Instead of the Congress and the FCC allowing more LPFM's, they need to shut down the LPFM idea and open an LPAM window. Move us commercial AM's to translators on the FM dial.
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IMHO broadcasters (as a group) have only themselves to blame for LPFM. Docket 80-90 (being furiously debated currently in another forum I frequent) was supposed to address this -- was supposed to make full-time FM spectrum available to AM daytimers. What happened? Many of the daytimers did get Class A (sometimes bigger) FMs through 80-90. Many of them were promptly sold.

How about here in Middle Tennessee? Well, there's Dickson's 1260, which gave up both 102.3FM and 93.7FM. Springfield's 1590, which gave up 94.3FM. I forget which Murfreesboro station gave up 96.3FM -- think it was 810. Manchester's 1320 gave up 99.7FM. Franklin's 1380 gave up 100.1FM. Russellville, KY's 610: 101.1FM. Gallatin 1010: 104.5FM. Lebanon 900: 107.5FM.

Any one of these stations could have had a full FM signal today if they'd kept what they once had. I don't have much sympathy for their current daytime-only plight.

Does it not make sense that the FCC might be a bit slow to offer FM spectrum to AM operations today? Knowing that last time they did, so many of the AM operators cashed in their chips and handed over their stations to the nearest large city...

LPFM hasn't been a roaring success at this either, (with so many stations ending up nearly indistinguishable from satellite-fed translators) but there are some bright spots.

(I do think they should have handed out LP10's first, and only then allowed LP100's if there was any room left)
 
Tibbs2 said:
Flip it to dead air like the week this summer. It's better for everyone involved. Cost
effective, as well.
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Kinda like WNRZ?

(except it's been a lot more than a week...)
 
w9wi said:
How about here in Middle Tennessee? Well, there's Dickson's 1260, which gave up both 102.3FM and 93.7FM. Springfield's 1590, which gave up 94.3FM. I forget which Murfreesboro station gave up 96.3FM -- think it was 810. Manchester's 1320 gave up 99.7FM. Franklin's 1380 gave up 100.1FM. Russellville, KY's 610: 101.1FM. Gallatin 1010: 104.5FM. Lebanon 900: 107.5FM.
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Clarksville's WJZM 1400 gave up WTWL, which was then at 101.5, now at 101.7, but that one was licensed to McKinnon, in the Land Between the Lakes/Paris Landing area, about an hour west of Clarksville, and so would not have made a very good Nashville "move-in." (Actually, WDXN also gave up that particular FM frequency. Well, sort of!)

WAMB has gone through several FMs, but they are currently on 99.3, I think, so they still have an FM presence.

I don't think WHEW in Franklin misses their former FM, since they are Spanish now.

What about Lebanon? Doesn't 98.9 have an AM sister station?
 
I have nothing to add to this post, except, yep, welcome back Scott. And Romer and Buddy...
yes..I do put up some mean Halloween decorations! This year I also dressed as a Crumulass Radio
Cluster Black Hole...hence...empty, devoid of anything of value except the resumes of millions
with talent who were fired and a string of call letters that don't match the damn monikers...
like WNFN --- i106. Right.
 
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